A Golden Island To The West — California ISOT from 2018 to 1850

California Does need Ships.
They have so much time and such a technological advantage that it really isn't an issue. More importantly, they don't have the resource intake to build new ships at the moment.

Unless it is straight up vital, Cali can wait ten or even twenty years to really build out anything beyond the necessities.

The keys for these first few years are going to be strategic land and acquisition.
 
They have so much time and such a technological advantage that it really isn't an issue. More importantly, they don't have the resource intake to build new ships at the moment.

Unless it is straight up vital, Cali can wait ten or even twenty years to really build out anything beyond the necessities.

The keys for these first few years are going to be strategic land and acquisition.

Does that mean Tapping Australia?

Are there any unclaimed places left in the Pacific?
 
There wasn't much unclaimed in the seventeen-hundreds either. Most of this stuff passed via purchases or through war.

Like the US islands in the pacific are almost all purchases or war conscessions.

So, buying parts of the aleutians, midway, bikini atoll. Those are the ones Cali needs to control the pacific. Strategic positions in/near the Indian ocean and the Middle East, positions to oversee pacific and Far East oil and shipping. Ever wonder why the US has bases all over the world?

Buying land for resources is not what needs to happen. That's what companies are for.
 
Guys? Gals? Crazy idea: Russians now know that Alaska has fantastic gold reserves...it also has Britains biggest and most developed colony on its eastern border and is also even less developed than the Russian Far East (which in this time was considered a Land of Yurts by anyone of note) and even with the gold would be a money sink because the mining would necessitate building up defenses and infrastructure for Alaska.

This is the Era of The Great Game. Britain will try something with Alaska. It is not a matter of If but When.

So? Sell Alaska to California while keeping 50-60 percent shares on any future mined gold (Russian leadership should be now aware from history books about late 20th-century globalization that California would always follow a trade deal it signs), with California delivering the mining and refining technology...and paying for the development of Alaska.

AKA: We get the gold while sitting on our asses and you have to deal with the Brits and with paying for the development of the land!

The Russians know that with Californian technology, even though Alaska is not as super gold-rich as some other places around the world (specifically, places inside the British colonial empire), to which they will never get free access to anyway, Alaska will still become the biggest source of gold on the planet for at least two decades to come.

Plus! With California in Alaska, the British will think twice about supporting some kind of insurrection or similar to dislodge the Russians/Californians from such gold motherlode.
 
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Plus! With California in Alaska, the British will think twice about supporting some kind of insurrection or similar to dislodge the Russians/Californians from such gold motherlode.
Britain looks at South Africa, laughs and pats California on the back. "Good luck with your frozen gold mine, old chap."

Also, as unlikely as I think it would be, it was written that Russia intended to sell Alaska to Britain.

I think that Britain would rather see the history of the next 150 years as the following: "We tie ourselves to France and Russia to oppose Prussia. End result, we get dragged into a continental war where we bankrupt the Empire to first keep our allies in the fight and then ourselves solvent. 20 years after that war is over, it's round 2, the Empire gets broken economically and politically and Britain gets finally bullied off the World Stage by the uppity colony and Ivan. Afterwards, Britain declines more and more."
 
So, with the need for Trade, will California spend the money for a small country?

A Historically IMPORTANT One for some Trade to the East Coast & Possibly Europe?

Panama Canal - Wikipedia

It took 33 years Originally, how long will it take now?
 
It took 33 years Originally, how long will it take now?
Right now Panama is part of Grand Columbia, that's about to go through a long period of home war. The trans isthmus railroad hasn't even been built.

It's more of an issue of political instability that's coming, and then another home war that really prolonged construction times.

Cali is better off just sailing through the Arctic/Polar route.
 
Cali is better off just sailing through the Arctic/Polar route.

Cali has Icebreakers?

Submarines I agree with having San Diego.

I am curious if they will make the Philipines a Stop, or build in the South China Sea.

The Crossroads areas.

The Spratly Islands come to mind.

Territorial disputes in the South China Sea - Wikipedia

Edit: I just thought of something else?

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What about a ship like the Midway which has undergone several massive overhauls over it lifespan? She left the reserve fleet in '03, but she been kept in good condition since she became a Museum.
She's 70 years old. Do you understand that? 70 YEARS! It doesn't matter if she is in good condition for a museum, you are not going to use her as a frontline ship in any conceivable situation. Stop asking for California to break out the Museum pieces. It's not going to happen. At all.

California can far more easily build a new CV than trying to keep a 70 year old metal hull from coming apart at the seams due to among other things metal fatigue. Not that they need it, they have 2 CVs and there is literally nothing afloat or in the pipeline that could threaten a CV.

So, which other museum piece will you suggest next for reactivation?
 
The Spratly Islands come to mind.

Interestingly, the Qing government did not extend a claim to these islands. So the howling of any Translocated Chinese would be pretty baseless. And the more sensible ones would freely admit better California be there than the old pirate hives.

(I for one think the ROC idiots who drew those nine lines on a map to be headpatted, shooed off and not taken seriously by the Great Powers should have been whacked over the head with a boot and ordered to draw a CONTIGUOUS LINE OR GTFO instead)
 
A Historically IMPORTANT One for some Trade to the East Coast & Possibly Europe?

Panama Canal - Wikipedia

An alternative could be the Nicaragua canal:

Nicaragua Canal - Wikipedia

Whether Nicaragua or Panama is chosen (or both), as it is very important for trade for both California and Europe, maybe a time for an opening could be in the 1860s.

Considering California's anti-colonialist stance, canal waters would be suject to a treaty making them international waterways, like the Bosphorus, the Rhine, or the Danube (also, opposition to any dismemberment of Colombia).
 
So, to confirm?

Cali is building a Railway East.

Why stop at one?

There was talk of rebuilding Hoover.

They already communicate with Mexico.

Why not build a line through Mexico to the markets/ resources there and to the Gulf of Mexico/ Tampico?

Start on a line South on the Canal Plans?
 
So, to confirm?

Cali is building a Railway East.

Why stop at one?

There was talk of rebuilding Hoover.

They already communicate with Mexico.

Why not build a line through Mexico to the markets/ resources there and to the Gulf of Mexico/ Tampico?

Start on a line South on the Canal Plans?
That probably will happen. And don't forget reestablishing air travel on a global scale.
 
who can say there was a variety of factors both though commercial hunting played a major role in that.

One thing to note however is if the Buffalo herds don't get wiped out(which would be good) there will be the problem of the omnipresent inter-tribal warfare that existed on the plains as various tribes raided and conducted massacres against each other which to call a not a remotely easy problem to tackle would be like saying water was wet.
 
Which doesn't exist in the 19th century because the Artic ice sheet and pack ice is still extensive enough to block the Northwestern Passage.

Cali has Icebreakers?
Double acting ships (icebreaker/tanker-container-bulk-production) existed since 1980.
A number of patrol ships are likely to have reinforced bows to support actions in Alaska, same as Arctic research ships and supply vessels, as well as ships doing cargo runs to and from Alaska.

Technology ,ability, and simple utility has made them useful for nearly 40 years.

What about a ship like the Midway which has undergone several massive overhauls over it lifespan?
Heavy jet aircraft run the risk of warping her deck after years of operation and over 10k combat sorties, and she went through a major fire towards the end of her carer. Her munition store chutes were last modified to use ordinance for Desert Storm, of which most is no longer used, forcing a full rebuild.
 
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