Instant Sunrise
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Stop getting your news about California from Tucker Carlson.
A Golden Island To The West — California ISOT from 2018 to 1850
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- Original 19th Century Supernatural
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- The Old Dominion
That there is indeed plague in the Us western united states is admitedly true and as far as a I can tell California and New Mexico tends to get more cases of than other western states however even taking that into account there are usually only a average of seven cases a year in the united states in a year, with usually a rate of between one and 17 cases usually happening in a single year with eightly percent being the more treatable bubonic form of the plague as opposed to the epticemic and pneumonic forms of plague.
You'd more likely to get killed by a cow or attacked by a rabid animal than come down with the plague...
Though hopefully the plague doesn't decide to start strking out beyond California where it is easy treatable into the local tribal and settled regions otherwise there will be a bit of problem.
You'd more likely to get killed by a cow or attacked by a rabid animal than come down with the plague...
Though hopefully the plague doesn't decide to start strking out beyond California where it is easy treatable into the local tribal and settled regions otherwise there will be a bit of problem.
Deathstroke
Fixing the reality again...
The antebellum South's New Orleans and communities along the Mississippi River are currently experiencing Yellow Fever outbreaks just like the OTL. In 1853, 8,000 people perished in the New Orleans proper alone although there were documented as there were most likely more deaths that went unreported.
With South's non-existent relationship with the California, I hope the plantation owners and pro-slavery wealthy class living in that region realize it was all worth of it when the California possess a capability to manufacture the yellow fever vaccine and knowledge to properly contain the outbreak. And yes, the slave owners also died accord to the historical records despite thier wealth affording them a best access to downtime doctors.
With South's non-existent relationship with the California, I hope the plantation owners and pro-slavery wealthy class living in that region realize it was all worth of it when the California possess a capability to manufacture the yellow fever vaccine and knowledge to properly contain the outbreak. And yes, the slave owners also died accord to the historical records despite thier wealth affording them a best access to downtime doctors.
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Yeah, I've mentioned before that Yellow Fever, Malaria and Deluge fever were major problems in the deep south especially along the rivers and the coastal regions and even places as far north as lets say Norfolk Virginia for instance had major epidemics of yellow fever in 1795, 1802, 1821, and 1826 and is set for a major epidemic in 1855 which would make national headlines because of how bad it was.
Southern graveyards from what I've seen are filled with the graves of people killed by yellow fever and other diseases though it should noted that malaria was a problem in north america even as far north as in Canada as a invading american revolutionary army from New England found out.
Southern graveyards from what I've seen are filled with the graves of people killed by yellow fever and other diseases though it should noted that malaria was a problem in north america even as far north as in Canada as a invading american revolutionary army from New England found out.
Torgamous
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People keep making this comparison and it only ever makes me more concerned about cows.
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Hmm I know deer have been known to be opportunistic carnivores and horses, donkeys and ponies have also been known eat meat including at times apparently people and pigs will eat anything though they have a special fondness for snakes but I wasn't aware about anything about cows.
Mal-3
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As a general rule cows are fairly harmless animals, but also as a general rule if you go around trying to rile up an animal that averages ten times your body mass what happens next is entirely on you, you dig?
Which is why we do not question why most of those dead people happen to be in enclosed spaces and with their pants down...
I'm sure there is going to be some joke had at the expense of uptimers when its mentioned.
Torgamous
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And, to bring this conversation full circle, that's an excellent metaphor for the South's approach to California.
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There could be room for something like the International Red Cross, supported by downtime and uptime services. I mean, the idea that "we don't support your way of life, but we do support babies not dying of terrible diseases we can fix" has been used when various international health services go into all kinds of terrible nations today, so you could probably set something like that up, say, a international covenant that declares that they will not be molested, but equally, will not involve themselves in internal affairs. you could sell it by pointing out that viruses are no respector of status--that a vaccination program will benefit both slave owners and slaves it is true, but at the end of the day, it will benefit both.
There's a pragmatic reason for this as well--CA has alrady introduced some faster than normal transport, and that's not something you really want to mix with huge-ass disease reservoirs.
There's a pragmatic reason for this as well--CA has alrady introduced some faster than normal transport, and that's not something you really want to mix with huge-ass disease reservoirs.
Kinda, maybe, but who would pay for it.
Cali is no longer part of uptime USA, and neither does it have the support of the uptime international community.
Putting Cali in shoes of a modern country of similar size and population, would get you pennies for international help in their budget.
And downtime support for the Red Cross was... abysmal at best. Especially at times of its need, when people didn't like the fact that help was given to everyone.
It coming from Cali can have unpredictable results. Especially within the first decade of its transition.
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Wait, deers are have the most kills out of all animals? I would have expected boars, really.
Car accidents, mostly. I totaled a car once when I spun out on a road swerving to avoid one that ran out on the road on a rainy night.
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Same. My problem was, a 'hunter' who was trying to herd this deer towards his waiting buddies (at dusk, no less. fucking moron) spooked the bastard so bad it ran like a bat out of hell, so swerving wasn't quick enough, and in addition to totalling the car I also had a buck pull a "Shining" on my windshield.
It should also be mentioned that deer can indirectly cause fatalities with the aforementioned 'hunter' types where they miss the deer and shoot their buddies. Happens back home a lot more than people like to admit.
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I fully agree, but it absolutely should not be mixed with the situation with the Southern states.
Instead it should be a proposal made to the international community on its own merits, and possibly based on Switzerland for the same reasons as originally - neutrality. For it to work, the Red Cross must be seen as strictly neutral, and even though the battle of Solferino might not come to pass any more the reasons for such an organization still remain valid.
Cali could donate the funds to set up the organization, make available the original charter and all subsequent modifications up to the transition, it could teach how to produce whatever medicines and vaccines are possible with the current technology, etc., but it shouldn't try to take a leading role in it - or even participating as more than one of the founding signatories - to avoid impugning the organization's neutrality, and this stance should be publicly known.
If there is one modification that the Californians might try to implement is that the symbol isn't associated with a current religion, avoiding much drama later on (and incidentally satisfying their own atheists and non-Abrahamics, but that might not be something to openly tell the other nations). Maybe the Rod of Asclepius, and call it the Red Rod, this could kill another bird with the same stone making certain that people wouldn't mistake the healer's mark with the symbol for the Greek god of merchants, gamblers, liars, and thieves (also of messengers and shepherds, but you get my point).
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Or use a Chrysanthemum flower as a symbol, as its meaning as a gift is of friendship, support and enduring life.
And if used in its purple or yellow color form would be far better received by many global communities than 'red', which is generally received as a color of hostility and aggression.
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I've edited that last paragraph on my post, mentioning the Rod of Asclepius.
As for the Red Crystal, AFAIK it was Israel's attempt to make a national symbol that wasn't a cross or a crescent and wouldn't be attacked by radical Palestinians on sight. As I said, much drama...
Due to its origins it's a bad choice to try to implement for an international neutral organization.
As for the Red Crystal, AFAIK it was Israel's attempt to make a national symbol that wasn't a cross or a crescent and wouldn't be attacked by radical Palestinians on sight. As I said, much drama...
Due to its origins it's a bad choice to try to implement for an international neutral organization.
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Fielding something that symbolizes treason, lies and poison (snake) as a symbol of neutrality and healers ,its not likely to float in most of the downtime world. Again, color red.
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The red is also the colour of blood, something perfectly fit to be associated with healers.
As for the snake, at this time most educated people would have an extensive knowledge on classical age literature and mythology, so the Rod of Asclepius should be immediately recognized and accepted.
If not, this pic from the wiki should silence naysayers:
Too bad those educated and knowledgeable people mostly come from a very narrow set of countries in the northern hemisphere, or are linked to it.
What of the people of Asia and Africa? The tribes on the Pacific and South America? You know, that 90% of humanity where that help will actually be going, and where you don't wan't the mistakes of the past to be repeated.
