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A Bro's Life (AGG-ish Anime Bro Quest)

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[X] Stop. This is...you're good here. This is all you need. (MMA remains a Mortal Martial Art; No Current Change; Gain Perk: Use Everything Around You: Perception: Objects will now be added to MMA Combat Checks
 
I think Vote stands at 18 (go beyond) vs 11 (Stop there) at the moment. Don't think they'll be any more big shifts since it's been a bit and the discussions are over so this should be it.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Hikari on Nov 7, 2021 at 1:10 AM, finished with 73 posts and 29 votes.
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Was just about to close voting.

But yeah, Break the Barrier it is.
Scheduled vote count started by LinkOnScepter on Nov 6, 2021 at 3:29 AM, finished with 79 posts and 32 votes.
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Better version of the above.

Scheduled vote count started by LinkOnScepter on Nov 6, 2021 at 3:29 AM, finished with 79 posts and 32 votes.
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Damn, looks like I missed a good voting. Weird to see people feeling the need to hold back. Not that I don't see why, (heck, I even agree) but I almost thought that near everyone would go YOLO on this choice because of ''Rule of Cool''.
 
Sena Kumo said:
Damn, looks like I missed a good voting. Weird to see people feeling the need to hold back. Not that I don't see why, (heck, I even agree) but I almost thought that near everyone would go YOLO on this choice because of ''Rule of Cool''.
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I think people just saw the "+30 bonus to combat checks" thing and went "oooh, shiny!" and glossed over the fact that we might never be able to use MMA (as in, our primary formal martial art) to its full potential again.

Really, I feel that the supernatural perk is actually WEAKER than what we gave up to get it; it's basically A Fellow Practitioner with a flat bonus that doesn't even apply to MMA itself instead of two different trainable bonuses.
 
Sir Plusse said:
I think people just saw the "+30 bonus to combat checks" thing and went "oooh, shiny!" and glossed over the fact that we might never be able to use MMA (as in, our primary formal martial art) to its full potential again.

Really, I feel that the supernatural perk is actually WEAKER than what we gave up to get it; it's basically A Fellow Practitioner with a flat bonus that doesn't even apply to MMA itself instead of two different trainable bonuses.
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Ah, I see, you're utterly convinced we will never fight ever again, Personally, I don't see where you get this massive misconception.

You say it's weaker, I say you're utterly wrong. Supernatural MMA seems to provide the bonus no matter what, regardless of setting. Meanwhile Mundane 90 is just "grab whatever object you can for combat" and the other two mundane perks...gonna be honest? No clue what benefit would actually be GIVEN knowing what style the opponent is using.
 
DarkKing98 said:
Ah, I see, you're utterly convinced we will never fight ever again, Personally, I don't see where you get this massive misconception.

You say it's weaker, I say you're utterly wrong. Supernatural MMA seems to provide the bonus no matter what, regardless of setting. Meanwhile Mundane 90 is just "grab whatever object you can for combat" and the other two mundane perks...gonna be honest? No clue what benefit would actually be GIVEN knowing what style the opponent is using.
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Did you miss how I said "to its full potential" somehow? I know full well that we're gonna get in more fights; problem is, Supernatural MMA means that we'll be forced to HOLD BACK (as in, not use our full ability, which by definition means we're not using it to its full potential) while using it on humans, and for real fights we've got Unyielding Mountain.

I say a flat +30 is weaker than what could potentially become +200 even without limit breaks, because it objectively IS. Now, if it's +30 per martial art we're using, it might be worth the sacrifice eventually... but we don't know 10 different martial arts yet, do we? As to the benefit of knowing the opponent's style (which we haven't actually lost because it's folded into the +30 perk), I'd say we'd be eating penalties to our rolls if we didn't know what moves we can expect from opponents. It's hard to say, because we didn't lose that bonus.

Anyway, please don't try to strawman me again. You're painting me as saying "MMA has just become useless" when I'm actually saying "I think MMA is less useful to us as a supernatural art."
 
Sir Plusse said:
Did you miss how I said "to its full potential" somehow? I know full well that we're gonna get in more fights; problem is, Supernatural MMA means that we'll be forced to HOLD BACK (as in, not use our full ability, which by definition means we're not using it to its full potential) while using it on humans, and for real fights we've got Unyielding Mountain.

I say a flat +30 is weaker than what could potentially become +200 even without limit breaks, because it objectively IS. Now, if it's +30 per martial art we're using, it might be worth the sacrifice eventually... but we don't know 10 different martial arts yet, do we? As to the benefit of knowing the opponent's style (which we haven't actually lost because it's folded into the +30 perk), I'd say we'd be eating penalties to our rolls if we didn't know what moves we can expect from opponents. It's hard to say, because we didn't lose that bonus.

Anyway, please don't try to strawman me again. You're painting me as saying "MMA has just become useless" when I'm actually saying "I think MMA is less useful to us as a supernatural art."
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I guess to give you some actually good points against that, Yato isn't our be all end all. Not least of all because, as has been pointed out, he can be literally taken away. He's a pair of gloves that cannot move on his own, I am absolutely certain this will come up because who sets up that kinda chekov's gun and doesn't pull the trigger?

Also, he's only our first partner. UM is good certainly but it's not gonna be our only SMA so having another one to help cover while we build that one is good. And lastly I suppose, in what situation are we gonna be in a Real Mortal Fight where we won't be using/adding Street Fighting? Our tagged skill and the one that's probably best suited to actual fights when we aren't being held back by the specific rules of a Tournament.
 
Lifeandlice said:
I guess to give you some actually good points against that, Yato isn't our be all end all. Not least of all because, as has been pointed out, he can be literally taken away. He's a pair of gloves that cannot move on his own, I am absolutely certain this will come up because who sets up that kinda chekov's gun and doesn't pull the trigger?

Also, he's only our first partner. UM is good certainly but it's not gonna be our only SMA so having another one to help cover while we build that one is good. And lastly I suppose, in what situation are we gonna be in a Real Mortal Fight where we won't be using/adding Street Fighting? Our tagged skill and the one that's probably best suited to actual fights when we aren't being held back by the specific rules of a Tournament.
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Setting a situation up does not guarantee that said situation is imminent (though to be fair, it doesn't mean it isn't imminent either; all it means is "X will happen at some point, and you don't know when"). And it'll be harder (not impossible, because supernatural thieves) to take Yato away because we literally wear him at all times.

Leaving skills out of fights is irrelevant to this topic and will thus be ignored.

Anyway, as to a martial art to use while training a new partner's martial art: I was kinda hoping for Brawling and/or Street Fighting to fill that role, but because of how this vote went I may need to vote for the exact opposite of what I had planned. Or just go "hell with it, make EVERYTHING supernatural," but that's getting dangerously close to pure spite.

I do know that we'll never enter another MMA tournament again after this, because we can't risk exposing our supernatural skill with it. So... hope you guys're okay with either never entering another tournament again or forcing ourselves to use martial arts that don't actually suit us to participate.
 
Hm. Come to think of it, how hard would it be to pick up Boxing? I mean, that's a legitimate martial art, and could be used for more low-key fights. Might need to work on dodging to get any appreciable skill in it, but it's a perfectly acceptable alternative; professional boxers are actually attempting to punch each other into submission or unconsciousness (whichever comes first), so the only issues it'll give will be the "no kicking" and "down = back off" rules.
 
Sir Plusse said:
Setting a situation up does not guarantee that said situation is imminent (though to be fair, it doesn't mean it isn't imminent either; all it means is "X will happen at some point, and you don't know when"). And it'll be harder (not impossible, because supernatural thieves) to take Yato away because we literally wear him at all times.

Leaving skills out of fights is irrelevant to this topic and will thus be ignored.

Anyway, as to a martial art to use while training a new partner's martial art: I was kinda hoping for Brawling and/or Street Fighting to fill that role, but because of how this vote went I may need to vote for the exact opposite of what I had planned. Or just go "hell with it, make EVERYTHING supernatural," but that's getting dangerously close to pure spite.

I do know that we'll never enter another MMA tournament again after this, because we can't risk exposing our supernatural skill with it. So... hope you guys're okay with either never entering another tournament again or forcing ourselves to use martial arts that don't actually suit us to participate.
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You're getting kinda spiteful and, admittedly, a tad childish there dude, why don't you take a breath, grab a break, and come back after you cool off.

This isn't all good sure but it's not as big a loss as you're taking it.
 
Sir Plusse said:
I do know that we'll never enter another MMA tournament again after this, because we can't risk exposing our supernatural skill with it. So... hope you guys're okay with either never entering another tournament again or forcing ourselves to use martial arts that don't actually suit us to participate.
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This is all a bunch of bullshit. We can EASILY enter MMA Tournaments with no risk of exposing ourselves. Because our MC knows what holding back is. Also, far as I'm aware, there is literally nothing at all saying we take any kind of malice from using Kendo or Karate.
 
Lifeandlice said:
You're getting kinda spiteful and, admittedly, a tad childish there dude, why don't you take a breath, grab a break, and come back after you cool off.

This isn't all good sure but it's not as big a loss as you're taking it.
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I'm pretty sure I was more civil with you than I was with the guy who just completely dismissed me like there was no downside to Supernatural MMA.

That sorta thing pisses me off pretty quick, so maybe I could use a bit of time to cool off.

At least I already calmed down enough to try to brainstorm a way around this vote completely FUBARing my desired build.

DarkKing98 said:
This is all a bunch of bullshit. We can EASILY enter MMA Tournaments with no risk of exposing ourselves. Because our MC knows what holding back is. Also, far as I'm aware, there is literally nothing at all saying we take any kind of malice from using Kendo or Karate.
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We have been told flat-out that anyone with a bit of knowledge will be able to tell that something's off about our supernatural martial arts; there was no qualifier about us using them AS supernatural martial arts (which would be pretty damn obvious to literally anyone), so I can only assume that it's specifically referring to us using them as mortal martial arts.

It's not a malus to other martial arts, it's that our personality is not suited to a point-based competition. We're used to knocking people on their asses, not poking a guy a few times and calling it a win. We'd probably get in trouble for hitting the other guy too hard, even if we aren't supernatural-ing things.
 
Sir Plusse said:
We have been told flat-out that anyone with a bit of knowledge will be able to tell that something's off about our supernatural martial arts; there was no qualifier about us using them AS supernatural martial arts (which would be pretty damn obvious to literally anyone), so I can only assume that it's specifically referring to us using them as mortal martial arts.
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Honestly I'd be shocked if there isn't a Supernatural level Martial Artist group that have their own tournaments and such. Our Sensei for example was uninjured and left holes in the area from knocking punks down during the raid.
Sir Plusse said:
It's not a malus to other martial arts, it's that our personality is not suited to a point-based competition. We're used to knocking people on their asses, not poking a guy a few times and calling it a win. We'd probably get in trouble for hitting the other guy too hard, even if we aren't supernatural-ing things.
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If it's an consolation back when I was in karate the mentality was sort of 'you're going to take some bad hits, this happens.'
 
Sir Plusse said:
We have been told flat-out that anyone with a bit of knowledge will be able to tell that something's off about our supernatural martial arts; there was no qualifier about us using them AS supernatural martial arts (which would be pretty damn obvious to literally anyone), so I can only assume that it's specifically referring to us using them as mortal martial arts.

It's not a malus to other martial arts, it's that our personality is not suited to a point-based competition. We're used to knocking people on their asses, not poking a guy a few times and calling it a win. We'd probably get in trouble for hitting the other guy too hard, even if we aren't supernatural-ing things.
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If you're not aware of the qualifier and what they're going to note as off, then it's very unlikely that any normally mundane person is going to be able to go instantly to the supernatural, meaning that'd need a person who's aware of the Supernatural and honestly? If it's someone from that side of the knowledge barrier, then having attracted their attention in anyway in the first place is a bad thing. Better they think it's simply just our MMA than, say, Yato.

Also, I'm sorry, but last I recall, isn't a big part of Martial Arts about learning Self-Control and Self-Discipline? Also also, if we're so unfitted for point based competitions, can you please explain to me why we went and agreed to this in the first place?
 
DarkKing98 said:
Also also, if we're so unfitted for point based competitions, can you please explain to me why we went and agreed to this in the first place?
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Because it was in character to go all-in on fight club? Like, when Hayato was asked if he'd represent the school in everything, it seemed fitting that he'd go "Hell Yeah!" despite having (almost?)nothing in two out of three of the skills.

I still feel reluctant on making MMA supernatural, especially for the tournament, as the Organization is likely to send an observer, being an official sponsor of the school and all. Not saying we should have UMT as our sole SMA, but I do feel that supernatural streetfighting would be a better fit seeing as it's MMA with less rules, and I'd rather leave sports stuff for tournaments and such.
 
DarkKing98 said:
If you're not aware of the qualifier and what they're going to note as off, then it's very unlikely that any normally mundane person is going to be able to go instantly to the supernatural, meaning that'd need a person who's aware of the Supernatural and honestly? If it's someone from that side of the knowledge barrier, then having attracted their attention in anyway in the first place is a bad thing. Better they think it's simply just our MMA than, say, Yato.

Also, I'm sorry, but last I recall, isn't a big part of Martial Arts about learning Self-Control and Self-Discipline? Also also, if we're so unfitted for point based competitions, can you please explain to me why we went and agreed to this in the first place?
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What qualifier? The only thing the info bookmark says is that people who know what they're looking for will know that we're not normal. It does not specify that we need to be using them supernaturally at the time for them to get that idea; from there, it's not hard to come to the conclusion that they'd see us as a peak human athlete who's nevertheless actively holding back, and realize that we're literally superhuman from there. And no, we don't even need to have specifically attracted their attention; all it takes is one guy attending the tournament to unwind and the whole Organization is after us.

We have literally been practicing organized martial arts for about two months; our control probably isn't as perfect as you seem to assume.

We agreed to the tournament because we're a meathead who didn't know the rules of a tournament, and we're too hot-blooded to back down now that we know we can't fight like we're used to. No really, that is literally the in-universe reason.
 
I am at work so I can't really say a lot right now but I will be clear on this:

When I say people who know what they're looking for, I mean Martial Art Grandmasters and others with Supernatural abilities.

Most people will just assume you're really really good at what you do and won't believe otherwise unless confronted with undeniable evidence.

Going to the tournament and using MMA as it is will not suddenly reveal you or anything like that.
 
So, think Yamato will pick up any non harem buddies? Gather up a battle squad that's more than just him and his brother (plus their partners but ahhhhhh)?

As a side note, so far we've looked to be pretty Team Ritsuko (and boy howdy do I approve) but if we progress Elizabeth would Hayato end up with the beginning of his own harem? :p

I kid, though it would be funny since Yamato's are all intelligent and brainy while Hayato has Muscle Girl and Former Enemy...Dreamer(?).
 
Lifeandlice said:
So, think Yamato will pick up any non harem buddies? Gather up a battle squad that's more than just him and his brother (plus their partners but ahhhhhh)?

As a side note, so far we've looked to be pretty Team Ritsuko (and boy howdy do I approve) but if we progress Elizabeth would Hayato end up with the beginning of his own harem? :p

I kid, though it would be funny since Yamato's are all intelligent and brainy while Hayato has Muscle Girl and Former Enemy...Dreamer(?).
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I don't really see Yamato fighting anytime soon; I mean, he's obviously going to at some point, but he'll do everything possible to postpone that. That said, I don't think he'd consider dragging anyone into our supernatural shenanigans unless they're already involved. So... basically, Yamato recruiting non-harem teammates depends on how many men he meets who're sympathetic to the whole "supernaturals trying not to get genocided" thing (and capable of actually doing something about it). Which, considering the genre, probably won't be very many; we might wind up being the only other man on Team Yamato.

I kinda feel like Elizabeth might wind up being part of Yamato's harem when they finally get around to meeting. Not really sure why; maybe it's just the sleep deprivation speaking there (I hate insomnia; should've been asleep like 2 hours ago).
 
Sir Plusse said:
I kinda feel like Elizabeth might wind up being part of Yamato's harem when they finally get around to meeting. Not really sure why; maybe it's just the sleep deprivation speaking there (I hate insomnia; should've been asleep like 2 hours ago).
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Honestly I think Hayato has the better shot this time, they've got some good connection through their...dreamyness (?) and him actually being able to talk to her in English (Yamato himself noted that he's not bilingual like Hayato now is) make for a helluva starting impression.
 
Lifeandlice said:
So, think Yamato will pick up any non harem buddies? Gather up a battle squad that's more than just him and his brother (plus their partners but ahhhhhh)?

As a side note, so far we've looked to be pretty Team Ritsuko (and boy howdy do I approve) but if we progress Elizabeth would Hayato end up with the beginning of his own harem? :p

I kid, though it would be funny since Yamato's are all intelligent and brainy while Hayato has Muscle Girl and Former Enemy...Dreamer(?).
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Sir Plusse said:
I kinda feel like Elizabeth might wind up being part of Yamato's harem when they finally get around to meeting. Not really sure why; maybe it's just the sleep deprivation speaking there (I hate insomnia; should've been asleep like 2 hours ago).
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Lifeandlice said:
Honestly I think Hayato has the better shot this time, they've got some good connection through their...dreamyness (?) and him actually being able to talk to her in English (Yamato himself noted that he's not bilingual like Hayato now is) make for a helluva starting impression.
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Only thing we have set in stone is that Hayato will not have a harem (thus no more than two girlfriends).

As for Elizabeth, I-I WASN'T GOING TO REVEAL ANYTHING, LOS, HONEST, PUT THE RUBBER CHICKEN DOWN!!!
 
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