I've edited in three of the user motions; HanEmpire's one about building all the wall frills, Cavalier's about just sea wall+extension, and and Ironanvil's regarding Harpos. Please try to edit your votes, if you support these, to the ones that show up in the post if possible.
 
[X] USER MOTION (Han Empire) We need to build the wall right to begin with. Let us use the Sacred Treasury to build a wall that befits the glory of Eretria, grand enough to impress the whole world! Extend the wall over a large area, fortify the shore and harbour, and thicken it to store grains. [-370 talents, five turns to build].
 
[X] USER MOTION (Han Empire) We need to build the wall right to begin with. Let us use the Sacred Treasury to build a wall that befits the glory of Eretria, grand enough to impress the whole world! Extend the wall over a large area, fortify the shore and harbour, and thicken it to store grains. [-370 talents, five turns to build].
 
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Adhoc vote count started by HanEmpire on Sep 8, 2017 at 3:30 PM, finished with 228 posts and 51 votes.

  • [X] Dispatch Kallias south to Metapontion, to gain allies, investigate the embezzlement tied to Lykai, and get a better read on the situation among the Italian Greeks and in Sicily, where it seems likely that the island's foremost tyrant will soon die.
    [X] We shall open the Sacred Treasury this one time, for theconstruction of the stone wall is vital to the defence of the city. The funds taken out of the treasury will be repaid into it at a rate no less than 50 talents a year, on top of the10% annual tithe. With the additional funds available we will extend the wall to cover a largerarea so that we may account forthe city's growth, as well as the construction of a sea wall, to ward off naval raids and assault. [-320talents, wall will cover a larger area of the city, wall will protectthe shore and harbour, four turns to build, will draw from the SacredTreasury].
    [X] USER MOTION Harpos shall be King of the Peuketti, but at the hand of Eretria. He shall be elevated in a ceremony at Eretria a year hence, allowing him time to address the fears of the people of Rhyps, where he will reswear his oaths of allegiance in his new role, even as Rhyps swears to him. It will also allow him to reassure himself as to the welfare of his children guesting in the city.
    [X] We cannot simply lay low all our allies when we see fit for the sake of empowering one man. He is capable, it is true, but the people of Rhyps have done nothing to deserve being turned over, and their fear keeps them well in line. There is little fear of them turning away from us, so why give Harpos a further boon so quickly?
    [X] We need to extend the wall to cover a larger area, so that we may account for the city's growth and plan it in a more orderly fashion. [-270 talents will cover a larger area of the city, three turns to build].
    [X] We need to have the wall fortify the shore and harbour, so that we are protected against naval raids and assault. [-270 talents, wall will protect the shore and harbour, three turns to build].
    [X] Dispatch Kallias north to Arimnus and then on foot throughout Padanian Etruria on the road to Atria to build allies against a potential Liburnian incursion, as they are growing bolder every year and could potentially strike at Eretria.
    [X] One King among the Peuketii, one steady hand to deal with, one whelp to crush. What do we care for the fears of the meek in the face of the strong? Harpos has shown himself an extremely capable ruler who is willing to rebuff the Dauni. We can find no such friends among the people of Rhyps, whose only advantage is they cower before us.
    [X] We need to build the wall right to begin with. Let us use the Sacred Treasury to build a wall that befits the glory of Eretria, grand enough to impress the whole world! Extend the wall over a large area, fortify the shore and harbour, and thicken it to store grains. [-370 talents, five turns to build].
    [X] USER MOTION Harpos shall be King of the Peuketti, but at the hand of Eretria. He shall be elevated in a ceremony at Eretria a year hence, allowing him time to address the fears of the people of Rhyps, where he will reswear his oaths of allegiance in his new role. It will also allow him to reassure himself as to the welfare of his children guesting in the city.
    [X] USER MOTION (Han Empire) We need to build the wall right to begin with. Let us use the Sacred Treasury to build a wall that befits the glory of Eretria, grand enough to impress the whole world! Extend the wall over a large area, fortify the shore and harbour, and thicken it to store grains. [-370 talents, five turns to build]
    [X] Dispatch Kallias east to Hellas, in the face of growing Korinthian trade in the Adriatic and their needling of the Kerkyrans. If need be, get some kind of assurance that Athens will come to Eretria's aid if Korinthos goes to war, negating their naval advantage.
    [x] We need to thicken the wall to make it impervious to all comers and so that we may store grain in its cavities. [-270 talents, wall will be thicker and extend the ability's to hold out against siege for one year, three turns to build].
    [X] USER MOTION (Ironanvil1): Harpos shall be King of the Peuketti, but at the hand of Eretria. He shall be elevated in a ceremony at Eretria a year hence, allowing him time to address the fears of the people of Rhyps, where he will reswear his oaths of allegiance in his new role, even as Rhyps swears to him. It will also allow him to reassure himself as to the welfare of his children guesting in the city.
    [X] Refuse Arpus' deal.
    [X] The wall must cover a larger area so we can plan for future growth, but it must also protect our shore and harbor against naval attacks. To fund the wall we withdraw funds from the Sacred Treasury, with the understanding that those funds are being used to cover a military emergency brought on by the presence of the Korinthoi threat and Liburnian piracy. [-320 Talents, including 33.3 from Sacred Treasury]
    [X] USER MOTION - The Sacred Treasury shall be opened for the purpose of paying for a sea wall to be added to the chosen variant of stone wall in this one instance; any talents taken from the treasury shall be paid back into the treasury at a rate not less than 75 talents (or the remaining balance) a year on top of the 10% tithe from gross income.
    [X] USER MOTION (Cavalier): We shall open the Sacred Treasury this one time, for the construction of the stone wall is vital to the defence of the city. The funds taken out of the treasury will be repaid into it at a rate no less than 50 talents a year, on top of the 10% annual tithe. With the additional funds available we will extend the wall to cover a larger area so that we may account for the city's growth, as well as the construction of a sea wall, to ward off naval raids and assault. [-320 talents, wall will cover a larger area of the city, wall will protect the shore and harbour, four turns to build, will draw from the Sacred Treasury].
    [X] King Harpos of Sannape shall be appointed as the ruler of Canosa in place of Atthelon. [User Motion: Cavalier]
 
[X] USER MOTION Harpos shall be King of the Peuketti, but at the hand of Eretria. He shall be elevated in a ceremony at Eretria a year hence, allowing him time to address the fears of the people of Rhyps, where he will reswear his oaths of allegiance in his new role, even as Rhyps swears to him. It will also allow him to reassure himself as to the welfare of his children guesting in the city.
[X] Dispatch Kallias south to Metapontion, to gain allies, investigate the embezzlement tied to Lykai, and get a better read on the situation among the Italian Greeks and in Sicily, where it seems likely that the island's foremost tyrant will soon die.
[X] USER MOTION (Han Empire) We need to build the wall right to begin with. Let us use the Sacred Treasury to build a wall that befits the glory of Eretria, grand enough to impress the whole world! Extend the wall over a large area, fortify the shore and harbour, and thicken it to store grains. [-370 talents, five turns to build].
 
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@HanEmpire c'mon man vote for your own motion. Haha! ;)
I voted against it to prevent a split-vote, but I see that Cavalier's option will likely win.

So I'll stand by my own out of principle:
[X] We cannot simply lay low all our allies when we see fit for the sake of empowering one man. He is capable, it is true, but the people of Rhyps have done nothing to deserve being turned over, and their fear keeps them well in line. There is little fear of them turning away from us, so why give Harpos a further boon so quickly?
[X] Dispatch Kallias south to Metapontion, to gain allies, investigate the embezzlement tied to Lykai, and get a better read on the situation among the Italian Greeks and in Sicily, where it seems likely that the island's foremost tyrant will soon die.
[X] USER MOTION (Han Empire) We need to build the wall right to begin with. Let us use the Sacred Treasury to build a wall that befits the glory of Eretria, grand enough to impress the whole world! Extend the wall over a large area, fortify the shore and harbour, and thicken it to store grains. [-370 talents, five turns to build].
 
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[X] Dispatch Kallias south to Metapontion, to gain allies, investigate the embezzlement tied to Lykai, and get a better read on the situation among the Italian Greeks and in Sicily, where it seems likely that the island's foremost tyrant will soon die.

Gib population growth from metics.
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[X] USER MOTION (Han Empire) We need to build the wall right to begin with. Let us use the Sacred Treasury to build a wall that befits the glory of Eretria, grand enough to impress the whole world! Extend the wall over a large area, fortify the shore and harbour, and thicken it to store grains. [-370 talents, five turns to build].

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[X] USER MOTION Harpos shall be King of the Peuketti, but at the hand of Eretria. He shall be elevated in a ceremony at Eretria a year hence, allowing him time to address the fears of the people of Rhyps, where he will reswear his oaths of allegiance in his new role, even as Rhyps swears to him. It will also allow him to reassure himself as to the welfare of his children guesting in the city.
[X] Dispatch Kallias south to Metapontion, to gain allies, investigate the embezzlement tied to Lykai, and get a better read on the situation among the Italian Greeks and in Sicily, where it seems likely that the island's foremost tyrant will soon die.
[X] USER MOTION (Han Empire) We need to build the wall right to begin with. Let us use the Sacred Treasury to build a wall that befits the glory of Eretria, grand enough to impress the whole world! Extend the wall over a large area, fortify the shore and harbour, and thicken it to store grains. [-370 talents, five turns to build].
Adhoc vote count started by Raptor580 on Sep 8, 2017 at 4:40 PM, finished with 233 posts and 51 votes.

  • [X] Dispatch Kallias south to Metapontion, to gain allies, investigate the embezzlement tied to Lykai, and get a better read on the situation among the Italian Greeks and in Sicily, where it seems likely that the island's foremost tyrant will soon die.
    [X] We shall open the Sacred Treasury this one time, for theconstruction of the stone wall is vital to the defence of the city. The funds taken out of the treasury will be repaid into it at a rate no less than 50 talents a year, on top of the10% annual tithe. With the additional funds available we will extend the wall to cover a largerarea so that we may account forthe city's growth, as well as the construction of a sea wall, to ward off naval raids and assault. [-320talents, wall will cover a larger area of the city, wall will protectthe shore and harbour, four turns to build, will draw from the SacredTreasury].
    [X] USER MOTION Harpos shall be King of the Peuketti, but at the hand of Eretria. He shall be elevated in a ceremony at Eretria a year hence, allowing him time to address the fears of the people of Rhyps, where he will reswear his oaths of allegiance in his new role, even as Rhyps swears to him. It will also allow him to reassure himself as to the welfare of his children guesting in the city.
    [X] We cannot simply lay low all our allies when we see fit for the sake of empowering one man. He is capable, it is true, but the people of Rhyps have done nothing to deserve being turned over, and their fear keeps them well in line. There is little fear of them turning away from us, so why give Harpos a further boon so quickly?
    [X] USER MOTION (Han Empire) We need to build the wall right to begin with. Let us use the Sacred Treasury to build a wall that befits the glory of Eretria, grand enough to impress the whole world! Extend the wall over a large area, fortify the shore and harbour, and thicken it to store grains. [-370 talents, five turns to build]
    [X] We need to have the wall fortify the shore and harbour, so that we are protected against naval raids and assault. [-270 talents, wall will protect the shore and harbour, three turns to build].
    [X] We need to extend the wall to cover a larger area, so that we may account for the city's growth and plan it in a more orderly fashion. [-270 talents will cover a larger area of the city, three turns to build].
    [X] Dispatch Kallias north to Arimnus and then on foot throughout Padanian Etruria on the road to Atria to build allies against a potential Liburnian incursion, as they are growing bolder every year and could potentially strike at Eretria.
    [X] One King among the Peuketii, one steady hand to deal with, one whelp to crush. What do we care for the fears of the meek in the face of the strong? Harpos has shown himself an extremely capable ruler who is willing to rebuff the Dauni. We can find no such friends among the people of Rhyps, whose only advantage is they cower before us.
    [X] USER MOTION Harpos shall be King of the Peuketti, but at the hand of Eretria. He shall be elevated in a ceremony at Eretria a year hence, allowing him time to address the fears of the people of Rhyps, where he will reswear his oaths of allegiance in his new role. It will also allow him to reassure himself as to the welfare of his children guesting in the city.
    [X] Dispatch Kallias east to Hellas, in the face of growing Korinthian trade in the Adriatic and their needling of the Kerkyrans. If need be, get some kind of assurance that Athens will come to Eretria's aid if Korinthos goes to war, negating their naval advantage.
    [X] We need to build the wall right to begin with. Let us use the Sacred Treasury to build a wall that befits the glory of Eretria, grand enough to impress the whole world! Extend the wall over a large area, fortify the shore and harbour, and thicken it to store grains. [-370 talents, five turns to build].
    [X] USER MOTION (Ironanvil1): Harpos shall be King of the Peuketti, but at the hand of Eretria. He shall be elevated in a ceremony at Eretria a year hence, allowing him time to address the fears of the people of Rhyps, where he will reswear his oaths of allegiance in his new role, even as Rhyps swears to him. It will also allow him to reassure himself as to the welfare of his children guesting in the city.
    [x] We need to thicken the wall to make it impervious to all comers and so that we may store grain in its cavities. [-270 talents, wall will be thicker and extend the ability's to hold out against siege for one year, three turns to build].
    [X] Refuse Arpus' deal.
    [X] The wall must cover a larger area so we can plan for future growth, but it must also protect our shore and harbor against naval attacks. To fund the wall we withdraw funds from the Sacred Treasury, with the understanding that those funds are being used to cover a military emergency brought on by the presence of the Korinthoi threat and Liburnian piracy. [-320 Talents, including 33.3 from Sacred Treasury]
    [X] USER MOTION - The Sacred Treasury shall be opened for the purpose of paying for a sea wall to be added to the chosen variant of stone wall in this one instance; any talents taken from the treasury shall be paid back into the treasury at a rate not less than 75 talents (or the remaining balance) a year on top of the 10% tithe from gross income.
    [X] USER MOTION (Cavalier): We shall open the Sacred Treasury this one time, for the construction of the stone wall is vital to the defence of the city. The funds taken out of the treasury will be repaid into it at a rate no less than 50 talents a year, on top of the 10% annual tithe. With the additional funds available we will extend the wall to cover a larger area so that we may account for the city's growth, as well as the construction of a sea wall, to ward off naval raids and assault. [-320 talents, wall will cover a larger area of the city, wall will protect the shore and harbour, four turns to build, will draw from the Sacred Treasury].
    [X] King Harpos of Sannape shall be appointed as the ruler of Canosa in place of Atthelon. [User Motion: Cavalier]
 
I mean, don't get me wrong, fully blinged wall is SHINY in extreme: it may well be waaaay too late to the party, five years is a lot of time.
If you want to be pragmatic, go for bare bones/barebones+seawall version in order to get it in time for potential war withing next several years, whether one from Lucanim that king from last update, Korinthians muscling in or naval invasion from northern Adriatic.
 
Do we already know if extended + sea wall will be constructed at the same time or one after the other? .
 
Do we already know if extended + sea wall will be constructed at the same time or one after the other? .
Base Wall takes 220 Talents and 2 years to build. Each upgrade adds 50 Talents and a year to the cost.

Possible upgrades:
-Extended Wall
-Shore/Harbour Wall
-Thickened Wall

So my vote is to add all upgrades for a total cost of 370 Talents and 5 years.
 
Base Wall takes 220 Talents and 2 years to build. Each upgrade adds 50 Talents and a year to the cost.

Possible upgrades:
-Extended Wall
-Shore/Harbour Wall
-Thickened Wall

So my vote is to add all upgrades for a total cost of 370 Talents and 5 years.
Surely it'd be 4 years if it's +1 year per upgrade and base wall is 2 years
 
Honestly, I am somewhat convinced the Liburnians could be more of a threat then I first tough but that doesn't change the fact that a mission to the North isn't gonna do much on that front. The Enetoi are already fighting them so short of us sending the fleet (witch would make us even more vulnerable until we have the sea wall) isn't gonna change much. The Etruscans have sustained their OTL massive naval defeat at Cumae not long ago and in any case their naval power is controlled by the Etruscans of Etruria proper and in the Thyrenean sea while we would be doing business with the Padanian Etruscans and we need forces in the Adriatic, the best they could do would be to delay the rise of the Liburnians a bit but that's it. With Syracuse and Sicily about to errupt into chaos I can't see what we could do concretely short of involving the big boys from Hellas.

At this point the best move is to build the wall as quickly as possible while we keep an eye on the situation up there and keep the fleet ready.
 
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And after all, any kind of interaction with Hellas is salted with the danger of non-Western entanglements.
 
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With only 24 hours to go and presumably quite a few people waiting for the dust to clear from discussions and back and forth I figure I'd re-post the voting options and make it clearer for anyone confused.

Harpos has thoroughly and frighteningly annihilated his opposition among the Canosans. Although this is likely not the end of his trouble with the city, it is certainly a temporary silence of a terrifying kind. Now he turns his eyes to Rhyps, who have begged in advance not to be given over to his tender mercies. Although Rhyps has done nothing necessarily wrong, Harpos had requested that he at least be given some kind of formal overlordship over them and crowned as King of the Peuketii in order to bolster his prestige and reflect his continued loyalty to Eretria. Many citizens, however, are concerned that this is too much too quickly, and that such a thing would likely result in the potential execution of many of Rhyps' leadership. The matter now goes to the ekklesia to decide.

[] One King among the Peuketii, one steady hand to deal with, one whelp to crush. What do we care for the fears of the meek in the face of the strong? Harpos has shown himself an extremely capable ruler who is willing to rebuff the Dauni. We can find no such friends among the people of Rhyps, whose only advantage is they cower before us.
[] We cannot simply lay low all our allies when we see fit for the sake of empowering one man. He is capable, it is true, but the people of Rhyps have done nothing to deserve being turned over, and their fear keeps them well in line. There is little fear of them turning away from us, so why give Harpos a further boon so quickly?
[] USER MOTION (Ironanvil1): Harpos shall be King of the Peuketti, but at the hand of Eretria. He shall be elevated in a ceremony at Eretria a year hence, allowing him time to address the fears of the people of Rhyps, where he will reswear his oaths of allegiance in his new role, even as Rhyps swears to him. It will also allow him to reassure himself as to the welfare of his children guesting in the city.

(On where to send the Xenoparakletor): The choices go before the ekklesia.

[] Dispatch Kallias north to Arimnus and then on foot throughout Padanian Etruria on the road to Atria to build allies against a potential Liburnian incursion, as they are growing bolder every year and could potentially strike at Eretria.
[] Dispatch Kallias south to Metapontion, to gain allies, investigate the embezzlement tied to Lykai, and get a better read on the situation among the Italian Greeks and in Sicily, where it seems likely that the island's foremost tyrant will soon die.
[] Dispatch Kallias east to Hellas, in the face of growing Korinthian trade in the Adriatic and their needling of the Kerkyrans. If need be, get some kind of assurance that Athens will come to Eretria's aid if Korinthos goes to war, negating their naval advantage.

When it comes to the building of the new stone wall, there are several options for extensions open to the city. They can make the wall cover a larger area, construct a wall that fortifies the shore and harbour, or construct a wall thicker than usual where grain can be stored to withstand a long siege.

[] We need to extend the wall to cover a larger area, so that we may account for the city's growth and plan it in a more orderly fashion. [-270 talents will cover a larger area of the city, three turns to build].
[] We need to have the wall fortify the shore and harbour, so that we are protected against naval raids and assault. [-270 talents, wall will protect the shore and harbour, three turns to build].
[] We need to thicken the wall to make it impervious to all comers and so that we may store grain in its cavities. [-270 talents, wall will be thicker and extend the ability's to hold out against siege for one year, three turns to build].
[] We cannot afford to have all our money spent on these frills; the wall must be built as soon as possible [-220 talents, default Stone Wall, two turns to build].
[] USER MOTION (Cavalier): We shall open the Sacred Treasury this one time, for the construction of the stone wall is vital to the defence of the city. The funds taken out of the treasury will be repaid into it at a rate no less than 50 talents a year, on top of the 10% annual tithe. With the additional funds available we will extend the wall to cover a larger area so that we may account for the city's growth, as well as the construction of a sea wall, to ward off naval raids and assault. [-320 talents, wall will cover a larger area of the city, wall will protect the shore and harbour, four turns to build, will draw from the Sacred Treasury].
[] USER MOTION (Han Empire) We need to build the wall right to begin with. Let us use the Sacred Treasury to build a wall that befits the glory of Eretria, grand enough to impress the whole world! Extend the wall over a large area, fortify the shore and harbour, and thicken it to store grains. [-370 talents, five turns to build].

If you would like to change your vote from your previous vote, please either edit your old post or make a new post with all three voting options. As far as I know, the vote tally will only count the newest instance of you voting, but what that means is that if all you put in your changed vote is an option from one of the decisions you will not have your other votes counted.

That means any new vote should look like:

[] vote for first decision
[] vote for second decision
[] vote for third decision

And not:

[] changed my vote for first decision

(with no second or third decision in your post).

 
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