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Warhammer Fantasy: Honor is all, Chivalry is all (Bretonnia CK2)

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EVA-Saiyajin said:
Are you talking to me? Because that wording suggests you agree with me.
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I was talking to DragonParadox, I posted around the same time you did in response to the same post. And yes, I agree with you.
DragonParadox said:
Even were that true (and I do not believe it is) the nature of Grail Knights is such that the Lady could just decide Philip is not angry at the fey anymore, thus having the best of both worlds.
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*raises eyebrow* And where exactly are you getting your evidence from? I've never heard of this kind of thing before.
 
[X] "...There will be an accounting, one day." If you go for her, now-- wrath of betrayal, so close to another-- you will do, you will say, things that you will be incapable of taking back.
When we talk to her, make it clear we're nearing our limits for this cloak-and-dagger asshattery.
 
backgroundnoise said:
The Champion of Autumn-- your son's Dame-- appears from the darkness, where the shadows had somehow, impossibly, hid her, clad in orange chain, sans helmet...and with a shade of black to her hair that must come from you, but the emerald eyes of Morgyan.

"She is your Daughter. Do not hate her for her Mother's inequities, and bargains."

Then Morgyan runs, runs-- and your senses tell you the truth of it. This is your daughter.

Just as your prepare to run for her-- Liar, wife, woman, lover, truster and trusted-- battling a heady mix of rage, and concern, and fear and a dozen other things you do not have the name for, she-- the hidden-- grips your arm. "Father... let her go and prepare herself, and ready her story; she needs the time. But I will tell you now...she did not deceive you maliciously, but for your own sake."
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So, like, I'm genuinely unsure why Morgyan needs more time to prepare herself and ready her story. Seems she's had a couple of decades already!

[X] "You have an odd definition of Malicious!" Rip out of her grasp-- you will have explanation of this...this betrayal.

I am personally not all that invested or outraged. However, I do think "needs more time" is kind of bullshit.

@Voikirium I do find it kind of annoying the way you phrased the choices so that one of them is obviously right if you believe what the choice says.

[] "...There will be an accounting, one day." If you go for her, now-- wrath of betrayal, so close to another-- you will do, you will say, things that you will be incapable of taking back.

If we're to believe that going after Morgyan now will inevitably lead to "things you will be incapable of taking back" then holding back is obviously the right thing to do.

In protest I vote for the obviously wrong thing to do.
 
So I'm a little confused on what exactly happened did our wife give the fae another one of our children without telling us?
 
backgroundnoise said:
And where exactly are you getting your evidence from? I've never heard of this kind of thing before.
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What Grail Knights being creatures of the Lady more than their own wills? That's the basis of the Bretonian political system. They love the Lady more than themselves,their friends and yes... their family. They would abandon all without a second thought at her beckoning.

So if the Lady told Philip you no longer care about your children being abducted, or even: you no longer care about your children at all, that is precisely what would happen.
 
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Briefvoice said:
So, like, I'm genuinely unsure why Morgyan needs more time to prepare herself and ready her story. Seems she's had a couple of decades already!

[X] "You have an odd definition of Malicious!" Rip out of her grasp-- you will have explanation of this...this betrayal.

I am personally not all that invested or outraged. However, I do think "needs more time" is kind of bullshit.

@Voikirium I do find it kind of annoying the way you phrased the choices so that one of them is obviously right if you believe what the choice says.

[] "...There will be an accounting, one day." If you go for her, now-- wrath of betrayal, so close to another-- you will do, you will say, things that you will be incapable of taking back.

If we're to believe that going after Morgyan now will inevitably lead to "things you will be incapable of taking back" then holding back is obviously the right thing to do.

In protest I vote for the obviously wrong thing to do.
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I was going more for his train of thought in not immediately going after her, and less meant to be obviously right.
 
[X] "...There will be an accounting, one day." If you go for her, now-- wrath of betrayal, so close to another-- you will do, you will say, things that you will be incapable of taking back.
 
[X] "...There will be an accounting, one day." If you go for her, now-- wrath of betrayal, so close to another-- you will do, you will say, things that you will be incapable of taking back.
 
Derek58 said:
Pretty much, yea.
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If that's the case then I'm going to say the fae probably forced her to give them our child, still shouldn't be rash or let rage lead us astray.

[X] "...There will be an accounting, one day." If you go for her, now-- wrath of betrayal, so close to another-- you will do, you will say, things that you will be incapable of taking back.
 
backgroundnoise said:
Oh, I'm not saying 'next time', I'm saying I'm done, period, the end. We agreed on one child and one child only, they got their deal, then went around behind our backs and made a deal with our wife for another, or perhaps they demanded it from her, I don't know. Mostly I blame the Fae for this, as far as I know, our wife's only part in this was keeping it from us because she suspected (and rightly so, might I add) that we would be willing to set the forests of Bretonnia ablaze for this slight. As is I am very, very mad about this, and I will be having words with both our lady wife and the Fae that took our daughter from us. And if I don't like the answers I get those fires might still happen anyway.


We've already run into one of those, we ripped out it's still beating heart and threatened it with True Death. And the real kicker? We weren't even mad at the time, we were just helping our wife out. They haven't seen us mad yet, and they don't want to.
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o_O You do realize that most of the fae that live in Bretonnian woods work for The Lady right? You really think she would allow you to fuck with her shit even if you are a Grail Knight all because you want revenge?
 
[X] "...There will be an accounting, one day." If you go for her, now-- wrath of betrayal, so close to another-- you will do, you will say, things that you will be incapable of taking back.
 
Briefvoice said:
So, like, I'm genuinely unsure why Morgyan needs more time to prepare herself and ready her story. Seems she's had a couple of decades already!

[X] "You have an odd definition of Malicious!" Rip out of her grasp-- you will have explanation of this...this betrayal.

I am personally not all that invested or outraged. However, I do think "needs more time" is kind of bullshit.

@Voikirium I do find it kind of annoying the way you phrased the choices so that one of them is obviously right if you believe what the choice says.

[] "...There will be an accounting, one day." If you go for her, now-- wrath of betrayal, so close to another-- you will do, you will say, things that you will be incapable of taking back.

If we're to believe that going after Morgyan now will inevitably lead to "things you will be incapable of taking back" then holding back is obviously the right thing to do.

In protest I vote for the obviously wrong thing to do.
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Alright, so, now that I'm back on my computer I'd like to expound a bit vis a vis the benefits and drawbacks of both:

To put it simply, not going after her is conservative. There is little chance of a blow-up, or a blow-out. But in that conservatism, your wife might put on yet more masks, more air; and she will withdraw, hide more in her shadows.

But to go for her now is to clear the air. She will not have time to think how best to word it, how best to speak it, how best to make herself look, only raw emotion and truth, truth like she has not spoken for some time. Though this will birth-- almost undoubtedly-- a storm, the devastation wrought as such will open space for new love, born on only-- and entirely-- truth to bloom.
 
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