Operation Weihnachtswunder (A CK2 Style Quest to Save Christmas!)

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hmm.
current issue is definitely getting people, though it occurs to me that we may have a lack of options to recruit from? so rather than focusing on council members *right* away, we may want actions that give us more options in order to improve our prospects first? at least where there's no good candidates.
(note: we have council/advisor options for stewardship/learning, but not for diplomacy/occult?)


when it comes to martial actions i think we should focus on setup (so personal training. we're under the radar right now so don't need defences right away and it might be awkward to train people so before further recruitment (since the new folks would have to be trained too? that typically gets ignored in quests but still lol) so gun stuff can be skipped. the other action should probably be hiring a man of arms (we may lack candidates for this?) or investigating the naughty guy (may be too costly?) (edit, sacrificing this for occult, seems most worthwhile at the moment)

diplomacy's reaching out to dwarves seems like a valuable action if it's someone ostensibly allied with us who can help and who we need to get Santa's coat from. maybe we should do this with the first tier of sharing Christmas spirit? it's enough to make sure the lower successes are hit without spending *tons* (where we may hit diminishing returns? if they want us to pay for the cloak, we could do that after making a initial impression?) and giving some would probably make the context of the negotiations way more positive, as opposed to just asking for freebies? sends out the message to them of "hey, santa's still here and we're interested in having good relations just like the previous santa, you don't need to panic" (if midwinter expands they might try to get formerly christmas-aligned groups to cooperate with him, so i want to do this immediately and cut off any risk of them getting desperate right away and limit his opportunities?)
reaching out to local spirits may help get more people in our faction, but i think we can satisfy that better with the stewardship recruitment action (and this lets us spend the action on the above)
i don't know if we have a good candidate for an advisor/councilor so let's not bother for now?

for stewardship expansion's a huge priority (especially when there's a massive hole to re-fill left by the previous santa), though we'd presumably need both more spirits/more desks to get stuff done here.
we could get both employ more spirits and shift over? shift over's a quick and easy change we can make to have more space so should get it out of the way with (assuming 3 sleeping chambers can fit everyone we hire and no excess recruits are wasted) while "employ more spirits" lets us make use of that space right away (and if we're lucky gives us hero candidates for future turns)

for intrigue we need to start slow due to jack not being in top shape, so ears on amazon/enaging on the quest may be a bad call? that said, a basic nearby rumour mill may be wise for defensive purposes?
the other action can either be attending the calendar (DC 0, boosts cooperation with other holidays and stops them from doing anything hasty with midwinter, but is possibly harmful to us directly)
learning's SEP is probably the most immediately important, so i'd be happy to research that. that said, there's less urgency on it and Celica might be a good candidate to promote(fine stats, don't think action restrictions will be too bad), so maybe getting her on that and applying to rolls right away would be good?

occult has a limited time opportunity in "like lightning" that we should probably take if it's relevant. bringing krampus too is probs wise since we can't really defend ourselves against big threats. (may have a risk on revealing stuff, but it's not listed as an issue at least so maybe he can be stealthy? i'd be happy to pay a martial action for this, since we don't have huge prospects there at the moment and it may be important to take full advantage of any opportunities?)
for the other action, finding more out about wesley may be wise? get it out of the way with at least. probably wise to bring them for this action, +50 to it would be more valuable then their personal actions
i don't know if we have a good candidate for an advisor/councilor so let's not bother for now?

free action: didn't plan for this at first, but if we have one i think using it on stewardship to promote jacob marley's best. unsure what their stats are like, but we trust them and he's probably a better choice than Blitzen, since they're emotionally compromised. would get it out of the way with and give us a bonus to rolls afterall (if doing a plan, this should be before the other two, just in case)

for personals, getting informing our mortal employees out of the way with may be good. it's a risk, but better than them finding out on their own
the other could be interacting more with jack frost? he's a font of knowledge and probably free if he's decompressing at the moment. best case scenario we help him with any actions he's taking for added safety (though we have 1 intrigue) and train our intrigue
could also apply a bonus to high DC actions, that's always a safe bet?
 
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[ ] The Calendar - Jack brings up something: A hotel in New York, secretly a Neutral Location for all the Holidays to meet. While you going there is out of the question to Jack, he could go there and see how the other Holidays have taken to what happened. DC: 0. Cost: 10 CS. Rewards: Access to the Calendar. This reveals Jack Frost is alive.
Once Jack is done healing, we should really do this.
 
how about this? not finalised, but seems ideal to me, gets us what seems the most important for a lot of things
like i said above, this recruits advisors, but doesn't force it when we don't have candidates? (I hope to get more first, hence recruiting/looking into upgrading Wesley) with some high-priority actions and a first step to increasing present production (without needing to spend lots of Christmas spirit on building more stuff) (though need to check the christmas spirit cost of the rest of actions?

(edit: plan should be valid now. it has downsides like doing intrigue without modifiers, but seems balanced to me? assigns what advisors we have ready and starts on high priority things. if they give actions then filling out advisors is big but we also need to reach out to the dwarves for diplomacy to try and get the coat asap (it'd be very helpful if we're going on that mission), and for occult if we help Wesley enough they might be a candidate?)

(edit 2: made some significant changes so old conversations may be outdated, but I've managed to fit in all filling all council positions into this:)
[X]plan: getting the Christmas train-sleigh into gear MK1
-[X] Martial: Train With Krampus
-[X] Martial: Spent to Take Krampus With You on "Like Lightning"
-[X] Diplomacy: Reach Out To The Germanic Dwarves
--[X] Offer A Trade
---[X] Offer More.
----[X] Offer It All
-[X] Diplomacy: The Council of Christmas (Diplomacy)
-[X] Stewardship: Promote From Within (Stewardship - Jacob Marley)
-[X] Stewardship: Employ More Spirits
-[X] Stewardship: Shift Over
-[X] intrigue: Lay low (assigned to The Council of Christmas (Diplomacy)
-[X] intrigue: spent to Lay low
-[X] Learning: Promote From Within (Learning)
-[X] Occult: The Council of Christmas (Occult)
-[X] Occult: Like Lightning
--[X] Take Krampus With You
--[X] Feast
-[X] Free action: stewardship: Promote From Within (Stewardship - Jacob Marley)
-[X] personals
--[X]Train With Krampus
--[X] Hands To The Plow
---[X]The Council of Christmas (Occult)

concerns: is 3 quarters of space enough for everyone we're recruiting? if we get excess, can they either commute to work or wait until we can accommodate them first?

are advisors and council members the same? if so, i suggest promoting from within for stewardship/learning, but waiting on diplomacy/occult until we get more heroes. (i don't think it's spending actions checking if we don't have good options, and we have limited actions anyhow so may be best to be frugal for now? though Wesley may work for occult, so it could be worth investigating them to see if they're a good fit?)

least sure of intrigue actions, what's everyone's opinions on doing The Calendar? bit of a risk but won't stay hidden forever so may as well, though not sure what else we can do, we're probs not cut out for a mission yet. maybe we could try and achieve information on amazon, since that would mean we get the information while Midwinter's guard is still down? though with jack frost only applying +15 to the roll it seems a tall order.
may be misreading lay low. does that take two actions and then give one back? if so, I'd still put it to to rebuilding the network, if not maybe we could boost employing more spirits? since that seems the only relevant thing in london
Once Jack is done healing, we should really do this.
see above for my thoughts. it'd definitely be useful to reach out to other holidays in both a networking sense and a weakening amazon sense, but it's definitely a risk lol. iirc we're fairly sure one of the holidays is collaborating with them, so being present would both help possibly sniff that out and impair any attempts on their side to manipulate other holidays, but would also reveal jack being around (may not be the end of the world, but would still suck, being unknown helps a bunch and if he's known it might lead back to us?)

maybe doing it this turn would be wise if we have no better options, doing it this turn may be wise? the defrosting malus has reduced a bit, so should be fun so long as he doesn't get into combat
 
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[X]plan: getting the Christmas train-sleigh into gear MK1
-[X] Train With Krampus
-[X] Take Krampus With You (on Like Lightning)
-[X]Reach Out To The Germanic Dwarves
--[X] Offer A Trade
-[X] Promote From Within (Stewardship - Jacob Marley)
-[X] Employ More Spirits
-[X] Shift Over
-[X] Rebuild The Network (Beginnings)
--[X] Grease Those Palms
-[X] Lay low (boost either rebuild the network or Employ more spirits)
-[X] Promote From Within (Learning)
-[X] Find Out More About Wesley
--[X] More Personal Examination
-[X] Like Lightning
--[X] Take Krampus With You
-[X]personals
--[X] Your Mortal Employees
--[X] Spend Time With Someone.
---[X] Jack Frost

Heads up, Lay Low requires 2 Intrigue Actions. Also, can you tell me which one is the Free Action (And the Free Jack Action, if you keep Lay Low). Otherwise, the plan looks good.
 
(note: we have council/advisor options for stewardship/learning, but not for diplomacy/occult?)

You have options to promote from within. Otherwise, you'd have to find candidates who could fill the roll.

are advisors and council members the same?

Yep! Mechanic wise, they are your advisors. Story wise, the Council of Christmas will have fancier titles.

I'll try and answer as much as I can, but work has me busy.
 
You have options to promote from within. Otherwise, you'd have to find candidates who could fill the roll.

Yep! Mechanic wise, they are your advisors. Story wise, the Council of Christmas will have fancier titles.
good to know lol. got a bit confused at first (especially when i thought "darn, we have to find people to hire for both of these innner circles? rip) but this is managable? definitely feel like adding people we have good candidates for but not forcing it is the current sensible pick (though that might not be the case if we can recruit council members out of Scrooge's contacts), what does everyone else think?

(don't worry about me asking about the obvious when it comes to not having options for diplomacy/occult by the way, that was just me sharing the impression i got about how we'd probably need to find someone first before there's options to recruit (due to thinking the "find candidates" action was "searching through your employees to find candidates". since i didn't think we had any, I was thinking of finding candidates by doing other stuff? if that's an action to go out and find candidates, holding off of them to try and get them while doing other stuff could still be more efficient, hard to say))
Heads up, Lay Low requires 2 Intrigue Actions. Also, can you tell me which one is the Free Action (And the Free Jack Action, if you keep Lay Low). Otherwise, the plan looks good.
darn, feared that was the case, but good to know.
So what's a free jack action? is it just being able to add jack's bonuses to something that otherwise wouldn't have it (on top of other advisors? wait, do we get that to assign heroes to actions as well?)
was hoping it was a bonus action (in exchange for costing 2 actions) with which he could start a local rumor mill

currently the plan has our free action assigned to promoting Marley

Note: I say currently because i have an idea. if we assigned the free action to intrigue, would we still be able to lay low and get stuff done when it comes to intrigue?
if so it may be worth doing so (depends on what the benefit of that for jack is) though i that need to rework stewardship, promoting Marley's probably high priority since it boosts rolls, but boosting toy production really takes multiple actions so it'd be awkward without both?
not sure if this would be good, in that cause it'd probably be best to take risks of one flavor or another, since laying low doesn't seem *too* valuable
 
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Note: I say currently because i have an idea. if we assigned the free action to intrigue, would we still be able to lay low and get stuff done when it comes to intrigue?

...it wasn't what I intended, but I'd allow it.

So is a free jack action just being able to add jack's bonuses to something that otherwise wouldn't have it (on top of other advisors? wait, do we get that to assign heroes to actions as well?)

It allows you to take an action not selected, with Jack's bonus attached.

currently the plan has our free action assigned to promoting Marley

Good to know!

(on top of other advisors? wait, do we get that to assign heroes to actions as well?)

Not yet, unless their time is required as part of a cost.
 
...it wasn't what I intended, but I'd allow it.


It allows you to take an action not selected, with Jack's bonus attached.


Good to know!


Not yet, unless their time is required as part of a cost.
thanks for the speedy responses/clarification. a bit awkwardly i was mid-editing my messages to clear up some stuff, but i think everything's straightened out so don't worry

so if laying low lets us take an option not selected with jack's bonuses, could that be the one for building the local rumor mill? that was what i was initially trying to do (sorry if I wrote it wrong, i can edit it if needed). would probably be simpler than doing so with the base free action lol,

(unless we need to get really silly and assign jack to promoting someone whilst the free action's assigned to the local rumor mill?)

seems a safe choice if we're unwilling to reveal ourselves, effectively trades one action to boost the other? but i'm happy to do so since the other options have caveats at the moment.
 
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so if laying low lets us take an option not selected with jack's bonuses, could that be the one for building the local rumor mill? that was what i was initially trying to do (sorry if I wrote it wrong, i can edit it if needed). would probably be simpler than doing so with the base free action lol,

The Free Jack Action can't be in Intrigue. (I forgot to put that in. Thank you for reminding me). Also remember, it must be for something that remains in London.
 
I'm honestly somewhat in favor of going whole hog on Dwarf Bribery. They'd be very valuable allies and our Christmas Spirit stores have an expiration date anyway. Thoughts?

EDIT: Whoops, double post
Also remember, it must be for something that remains in London.
Would Another Miracle on 34th Street (The Unseen World) count or would it require traveling outside London? What about Council Picks? Would that be actually going around looking for people or just Jack writing down people he knows about that might be interested?
 
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Training with Krampus, taking Krampus with us to investigate the lightning, and telling our employees about our own promotion (maybe with help from Present) all sound like good ideas.
How about doing master at arms instead of training?

plan: getting the Christmas train-sleigh into gear MK1
-[X] Train With Krampus
-[X] Take Krampus With You (on Like Lightning)
-[X]Reach Out To The Germanic Dwarves
--[X] Offer A Trade
-[X] Promote From Within (Stewardship - Jacob Marley)
-[X] Employ More Spirits
-[X] Shift Over
-[X] Rebuild The Network (Beginnings)
--[X] Grease Those Palms
-[X] Lay low (boost either rebuild the network or Employ more spirits)
-[X] Promote From Within (Learning)
-[X] Find Out More About Wesley
--[X] More Personal Examination
-[X] Like Lightning
--[X] Take Krampus With You
-[X]personals
--[X] Your Mortal Employees
--[X] Spend Time With Someone.
---[X] Jack Frost

least sure of intrigue actions, what's everyone's opinions on doing The Calendar? bit of a risk but won't stay hidden forever so may as well, though not sure what else we can do, we're probs not cut out for a mission yet. maybe we could try and achieve information on amazon, since that would mean we get the information while Midwinter's guard is still down? though with jack frost only applying +15 to the roll it seems a tall order.
may be misreading lay low. does that take two actions and then give one back? if so, I'd still put it to to rebuilding the network, if not maybe we could boost employing more spirits? since that seems the only relevant thing in london
For the Diplo Action, could we do Council (Diplo) first?

As I interpret the post, areas with an advisor have 2 AP and use half the advisors stats as bonus to Scrooges stats, while those without have 1 AP and only use Scrooges stats.

So getting an advisor would give us 1 diplo AP everyturn and an additional ???/2 bonus to diplo actions.
[ ] The Council of Christmas (Diplomacy) - The Council Must Be Complete. DC: Variable. Cost: 10 CS. Rewards: List of Candidates.

Meeting the 160 DC with the +100 bribe and Scrooges Diplo stat (16)
1d100>=(160-100-16)
1d100>=44

How much our advisor helps depends on what advisor we get, but if they are as good as Krampus it would be 25/2=12,5=12, if they are as good as Jack it would be 30/2=15.
So remaining DC would be (44-15=29) to (44-12=32).

With how expensive the bribe is I'd strongly prefer to get that additional boost to bias the roll in our favor.

Also, i think your plan is missing the movable feasts bonus.
Imho: to Council (Diplo) for best advisor chances.
 
Would Another Miracle on 34th Street (The Unseen World) count or would it require traveling outside London? What about Council Picks? Would that be actually going around looking for people or just Jack writing down people he knows about that might be interested?

I'd say they'd count as remaining in London, if Jack does it. Same as Council Picks. It'd be flavored as Jack spending time, maybe using the one or two people he still knows and calling in favors covertly.

As I interpret the post, areas with an advisor have 2 AP and use half the advisors stats as bonus to Scrooges stats, while those without have 1 AP and only use Scrooges stats.

There are two known ways to gain actions: Advisor, and Scrooge Base Stat 30+. Also, as of now, Scrooge only gives his stat if he uses Hands to the Plow (Key word: as of now), or it says it does.
 
I'd say they'd count as remaining in London, if Jack does it. Same as Council Picks. It'd be flavored as Jack spending time, maybe using the one or two people he still knows and calling in favors covertly.
So for example, Miracle might be a bit sneakier if Jack is doing it?
There are two known ways to gain actions: Advisor, and Scrooge Base Stat 30+. Also, as of now, Scrooge only gives his stat if he uses Hands to the Plow (Key word: as of now)
So all these actions (aside from Martial, adventure rolls and possibly Intrigue) are rolled flat?
 
The Free Jack Action can't be in Intrigue. (I forgot to put that in. Thank you for reminding me). Also remember, it must be for something that remains in London.
darn, worth a shot. in that case, i'll change their free action to help us promote marley to the council, and with the other free action now unassigned i'll put it to getting a local rumor mill.
i guess this way we don't roll with jack's stats, but since it's just a DC 20 it should be fine? plus doing each-other's jobs will be something fun to talk about in the personal action afterwards (i still think this is worth doing over boosting rolls, but if anyone wants otherwise please let me know)

also please say if you think Jack should employ more spirits/rework shifts instead of promoting marley, since i think they're interchangable? the main thing for the plan is just getting all three of the actions since they play into eachother afterall
 
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There are two known ways to gain actions: Advisor, and Scrooge Base Stat 30+. Also, as of now, Scrooge only gives his stat if he uses Hands to the Plow (Key word: as of now), or it says it does.
Wait, so currently diplo rolls for dwarves would have 0 Stat bonus?

-[X]Reach Out To The Germanic Dwarves
--[X] Offer A Trade
@hleghe
Like this, for 200 CS we'd have the 1. tier guaranteed and a 40% chance for the 2. tier.

Could we get an advisor(diplo) instead and do dwarves next turn (with feast)?
Would give us a strong boost to getting the second tier.
 
[X] Plan Preparation Is Key
-[X][Martial] Employ A Master of Arms
-[X][Martial] Like Lightning
-[X][Diplomacy] Reach Out to the Germanic Dwarves - Bribery Edition -1220 CS
--[X] Feast
-[X][Stewardship] Upgrade the Workshop
-[X][Stewardship] Promote From Within (Stewardship - Jacob Marley)
-[X][Intrigue] Lay Low
-[X][Learning] Promote From Within (Learning)
-[X][Occult] Random Adventures
-[X][Occult] Like Lightning -5 CS
-[X][Jack] Another Miracle on 34th Street (The Unseen World) -10CS
-[X][Free] The Council of Christmas (Diplomacy) -10CS
-[X][Personal] Hands to the Plow x2
--[X] Like Lightning
--[X] Reach Out to the Germanic Dwarves

This plan gets both of the most time sensitive actions, gets Councilors (or at least options) for everything but Diplomacy, helps us set up Christmas infrastructure and gets us started on freeing Blitzen (and possibly the other Reindeer since the contract would be broken), with a bit more subtlety than normal since it's Jack doing it. I could be convinced to try to get a Diplo Advisor and put the Dwarves off til then so we can guaranteed get the best outcome, in which case I'll probably put Feast on Miracle since Blitzen definitely counts as needy.

EDIT: A fair argument was made that trying to rescue Mary and Vixen might be better put off until after Jack recovers a bit and we get the coat. With that in mind, I've swapped the Free action to getting a Diplomacy Advisor and the Personal to adding our 36 to finding an Occult Advisor so we get a quality one. Possibly +54 if we go looking for a Spirit advisor specifically.
EDIT2: Paranoia consumes me. While the previous version had an 80% chance of maximum success on the dwarf action, I'd feel like a real idiot if we spent 600CS on the second best tier. Swapped out Occult Advisor and its Hand for Random Adventures (since the other Occult actions had impossible DCs without bonuses) and a 96% chance on the dwarves. I'll feel like even more of an idiot if this still doesn't work but it's literal five times less likely to fail.
 
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plan's updated, though may be a little rough around the edges
@hleghe
Like this, for 200 CS we'd have the 1. tier guaranteed and a 40% chance for the 2. tier.

Could we get an advisor(diplo) instead and do dwarves next turn (with feast)?
Would give us a strong boost to getting the second tier.
it was something i was considering, yeah (still need to check CS/GW counts)
could do so, though i'm pessimistic on finding good candidates so partially didn't want to bother, as opposed to getting a prospective ally. what's your opinion on assigning more CS to it? that might work well if we can afford it
there's also feast, yeah. don't have any issues assigning that (just forgot) anything else missing from my plan?
don't have the time to go over everything, but do you think a master of arms is better than martial training? seems ideal to get that training of the way with first (could synergise with like lightning, is a priority before missions, etc) and finding someone to recruit may be an issue
 
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don't have the time to go over everything, but do you think a master of arms is better than martial training? seems ideal to get that training of the way with first (could synergise with like lightning, is a priority before missions, etc) and finding someone to recruit may be an issue
Mostly the issue is that it requires a Personal or Free action, and I'm spending all three on time sensitive stuff.

Actually, looking at your plan you can't take Training without dropping something else.
 
it was something i was considering, yeah (still need to check CS/GW counts)
could do so, though i'm pessimistic on finding good candidates so partially didn't want to bother, as opposed to getting a prospective ally. what's your opinion on assigning more CS to it? that might work well if we can afford it
there's also feast, yeah. don't have any issues assigning that (just forgot) anything else missing from my plan?
Pessimistic on finding good candidates:
Why?
What is the basis for the pessimism?
Imho, we ought to try with stacked bonuses. Give Novus a chance to offer us cool options.
Even if we got a lousy advisor, that would still be some boost and a whole additional Diplo AP.

Also we could spend 1 AP "hands on plow" on getting advisor, instead of 1 AP on time with Jack.

Spending CS on Dwarves:
Dwarves sound like a good thing.
Valuable allies.
But those bribes are expensive.
That CS could pay for a lot of gift production-capacity.
I'd rather do full cour press on advisor and then do all free bonuses (feast (+10), hands to the plow (+16), advisor (???)) + the first tier of bribes (+100 for 200CS) and have goodwill If needed to get to the DC 160 tier guaranteed.

[ ] Hands To The Plow - Some things require a personal touch. DC: 0. Cost: Your Time. Reward: Add a bonus equal to your stat to one action you voted for.
  • [ ] Place The Action
 
Any thoughts on switching out Occult Advisor for something else (maybe random adventures) so we can Plow it next turn for that sweet +36 to the quality of options?
That CS could pay for a lot of gift production-capacity.
Sure but that doesn't mean anything if we can't actually use that capacity, which the Dwarves could be very helpful with. Especially if the full 640 success could get us a Gift-Tier work (aside from the Coat which is ours anyway)
 
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So, stuff Amazon (probably) has:
  • The Sack - Ex Nihilo toy creation and hard to steal pocket dimension. Given that we've got the advantages of both having maxed out Occult and Being Santa, I'm pretty sure we could bypass the protection. Might also have other uses, though I imagine it'll be harder for them to use without access to Christmas Spirit or the proper authority.
  • The List - Probably the worst of the things they managed to keep. If the expanded powers developable through research include the actual information of Nice and Naughty deeds, then it could allow them to spy on Blitzen, potentially leading them to us, and blackmail probably every politician and CEO on earth.
    • Okay, the List can definitely be the kind of security risk I was concerned about, though it will luckily take significant time and effort before Midwinter unlocks its higher functions, especially since he's not Santa. Maybe look into talking to Odin about using our authority to further lock it down.
  • The Broom - Potentially allows them to find (and steal from, kill or enslave) another Christmas Ally before we can. It's likely less amiable to leading them to La Befana than it would be for us, but we know they have ways of enforcing compliance. Plus if we do recruit La Befana, she'll probably be suffering a Broomless penalty.
  • The Frankincense of Balthasar - This could be bad for us, though how much so really depends on how smart they are about using it. Definitely something to keep in mind when we take contested actions until we can confirm they've burned through their stock of crits.
  • The Life of Artaban - Apparently relatively useless to them, because they don't care about Innocents and it might only work on "Allies of Christmas" rather than "Allies of the Holder" which means its primary utility is in keeping us from having it.
 
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Unless a very convincing argument is presented otherwise, I will not be voting for any plan which does not include Mary and Vixen.
 
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