Fractured Fantasy: A CK2 Style Final Fantasy quest

@griffinlw
Out of curiosity, are any characters from Spirits Within in this World Jambalaya?
I remember being impressed with it in cinema, way back when it came out.
And that is all I remember of it.
It is, technically, FF.
It is not, mostly because I have never seen it and forgot it existed, but also because it's pretty far away from what you expect from Final Fantasy. From what I know it's a very technically impressive movie, quite literally ahead of its time in terms of animation. But story wise it's pretty messy, and it's more Sci-Fi than Fantasy (which to be fair, FF dabbles in both.)

Also, vote update. Currently the Deal is in the lead by quite a large margin. I plan on ending the vote sometime tonight, once I'm done with Thespians and Thieves.
 
huh, hold on. Yevon hates machina and uses summons and stuff, but doesn't final fantasy have summons that are various flavors of giant robot? wonder how they'd react to those?
(note: this is assuming they don't appear in FFX, if they do pretend i'm asking about new/different summons, or maybe different versions of them as a result of the summoning being different?)

as a result of the fusion i'm guessing people can cast summons from other games, so Yevon might end up running into new ones?
I can think of some interesting implications if that happens. partially it could depend on if it's one of their trusted high rank summoners or someone they've recruited from another game doing it, both could be fun to see...
 
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huh, hold on. Yevon hates machina and uses summons and stuff, but doesn't final fantasy have summons that are various flavors of giant robot? wonder how they'd react to those?
Most Summons are biological, but the ones from FF 13 are extremely mechanical. And some outliers like Doom Train and (arguably) Alexander. I will say, the Yevonites have a pretty set roster of "acceptable" summons. Namely the ones from their temples. But they might have to adjust a little bit if one of their summoners started summoning Doom Train or something.
 
Most Summons are biological, but the ones from FF 13 are extremely mechanical. And some outliers like Doom Train and (arguably) Alexander. I will say, the Yevonites have a pretty set roster of "acceptable" summons. Namely the ones from their temples. But they might have to adjust a little bit if one of their summoners started summoning Doom Train or something.
hmm, interesting lore, good to know, can't wait until we can summon one of them (not from a stats perspective, just how the shenanigans of giant monsters/robots in this situation sounds fun), though that's assuming we're capable of stuff like that without being a "true" Summoner. would probably be a big ordeal gaining access to them regardless seeing as how Shiva's special, but something to maybe look forward to? (so long as we don't monofocus on a single possibility and ignore other stuff, of course)
 
[X] Yes: You've learned to enjoy hunting. It's good money, and it's good training. Not to mention the people you've helped, if indirectly. Plus Clan Centurio's eye for monsters should prove useful later.
 
On that note, if we become a l'cie, would we get one of the known XIII summons assigned to us, or would we get a different summon to become a car for us?


... Also. Hey guys, if we get a zodiac stone, do you think one of those can also restore Cloud's memory?
 
[X] How About A Deal Instead?: You had a thought. These hunters are exactly the kind of people who need medicine, right? So maybe you could negotiate a deal to start selling medicine to them specifically. It's not like their clan shop doesn't already include medicine.

I didn't vote before, since we didn't have the clarification on "instead". Worst he can do is tell us no, and there's something that speaks to me about sticking it to Shinra by doing moral and ethical business.

On that note, if we become a l'cie, would we get one of the known XIII summons assigned to us, or would we get a different summon to become a car for us?

... Also. Hey guys, if we get a zodiac stone, do you think one of those can also restore Cloud's memory?

I don't see why we'd want to become a l'Cie, though the prospect of people from Tactics-era Ivalice being thrown backwards in time by several centuries is... an intriguing one, to say nothing of, say, Marche and pals, who are now in a real and infinitely more mixed-up fantasy universe, or Luso, who at least is probably adapting fast, though I'd hazard a guess and say anything like the death-preventing Judges is likely not a factor.
 
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[X] Yes: You've learned to enjoy hunting. It's good money, and it's good training. Not to mention the people you've helped, if indirectly. Plus Clan Centurio's eye for monsters should prove useful later.
 
We have many better ways of getting power than poking the eventually-lethal I'cie button. Like collecting more Magicite!

If we get a full set of Ice/Fire/Lightning to fill out the standard Final Fantasy element roster, can Aerith transform into Captain Cetra? Who knows!
 
On that note, if we become a l'cie, would we get one of the known XIII summons assigned to us, or would we get a different summon to become a car for us?
The Price Of Power: Have a Hero be branded a L'Cie
Just thought I would remind you that this is an achievement, so yes becoming a L'Cie is in the cards, if you're willing to pay the very, very heavy price. Not saying you should… but you can.
 
I might be misremembering this but I vaguely have memory of the Knights of the Round Table one of the strongest summons in all of Final Fantasy being robots I know at least the King Arthur representation at the very end highly resemble someone
 
Vote Closed
Took me a little longer than I thought, anyway, the winner is "How About A Deal Instead?"
Scheduled vote count started by griffinlw on Jan 21, 2025 at 2:26 AM, finished with 40 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] How About A Deal Instead?: You had a thought. These hunters are exactly the kind of people who need medicine, right? So maybe you could negotiate a deal to start selling medicine to them specifically. It's not like their clan shop doesn't already include medicine.
    [X] Yes: You've learned to enjoy hunting. It's good money, and it's good training. Not to mention the people you've helped, if indirectly. Plus Clan Centurio's eye for monsters should prove useful later.
 
Thespians and Thieves
"I'm not doubting you Vaan I just find it a little hard to believe that you developed a sudden taste for the arts." Migelo tried to explain.

"Hey, free tickets are free tickets. You said you wanted us to have more 'family outings' so, here ya go." Vaan shot back.

"Oh really, 'free tickets.' Somehow you got enough for all of us, you didn't happen to steal them, did you?"

"Hey, just because I'm a thief doesn't mean I steal everything!" Vaan snapped back, seemingly unaware (or uncaring) of how poor an argument that was.

"Are they always like this?" You quietly ask Migelo's other adopted children. They all more or less nod or shrug their shoulders. Just Vaan being Vaan and Migelo being Migelo.

Vaan arrived with a big stack of tickets for a local show of LOVELESS. A bit odd, since as far as you knew the play was from your world. Vaan invited Migelo and all the kids, claiming that it was 'important' they all saw it. When you arrived to check on them, he quickly roped you into it too ('gotta use these tickets somehow')

The argument abruptly ends as you reach the theatre, the two squabblers quickly sobering up and presenting their tickets. The theatre is pretty nice, probably nothing compared to the Gold Saucer's theatre but, what could compete with that?

You all arrived in time to find a seat before things got too crowded, but you were more than a little surprised when you saw a familiar face in the crowd. "Freya, you're here to see the play too?"

"Let's just say I think an old friend of mine will be on stage," Freya said enigmatically.

It wasn't too much longer before everyone was seated, and the lights in the theatre started to dim. The chatter quickly stopped and all attention was directed towards the stage.

Towards LOVELESS.

"Do you really have to leave?" The woman reached out to her love, who looked back at her before stoically turning away.

"I promised. The people I love, are waiting." His tone brooked no argument, it sounded as though the promise was something buried in his very soul. Something he could never betray nor forget.

"...I don't understand. Not at all. But... please take care of yourself." A desperate plea, knowing full well that he will never change his mind and all she can do is let him go.

"Of course... I'll come back to you. Even if you don't promise to wait. I'll return knowing you'll be here." He promised, only granting his love a brief moment before he picked up his sheathed blade, and walked out of sight.

After a moment the curtain fell, and (almost) everyone began clapping enthusiastically. Migelo and Penelo were enraptured the whole time, while Vaan seemed bored out of his skull.

"What did you think?" Freya asked.

"I think it was great. This was a little different from the usual production but they really nailed it." You're hardly an expert on LOVELESS, but it was a fun watch.

"Tantalus is good at their craft, amazing some would say." Freya praised earnestly as she stood up. "Would you like to go meet the cast?"

"Meet the cast?"

"I know the actor who was playing the lead. It's honestly funny watching Zidane play such a heartful role. He's usually very…" she stopped, seeming searching for the right word, "irreverent."

While the rest of the audience milled around talking about the production or left, Freya led you through the crowd towards the back of the theatre. There was a rather intimidating looking man guarding the door, the top of his head hidden behind a bandanna, pointed ears, and an underbite with 2 massive teeth protruding from his jaw.

"Hey, you're not supposed to be-" The man paused as soon as he noticed Freya, quickly relaxing the grip on his sword. "Well, fancy seein' you here Freya."

"I'm here to see Zidane, Marcus." Freya said politely.

"Who's your friend?"

"Aerith, we have been working together for a time. Don't worry, I expect she'll like Tantalus." Marcus cocked his head to the side, giving you a searching look before he nodded and opened the door for you.

Behind the door was a whirlwind of activity as the actors and stagehands were trying to pack everything away, but Freya spotted a mop of blond hair and made a beeline for it. "Zidane!"

Zidane suddenly straightened, expression splitting into a grin when he saw Freya. "Well, well, well, look who the cat dragged in! You're looking good Freya, and your friend is looking even better!"

"Oh shut it. This is Aerith, she's out of your league. So don't bother." Freya said firmly

"Just giving my honest compliments to a lady," Zidane said playfully. "Don't worry though, Garnet is the one for me."

"Speaking of Garnet, where are the others?" You could immediately tell Freya asked the wrong question, as Zidane sighed.

"We don't know. Vivi's missing in action, who knows what Quina's up to, if Rusty could help it he would be with Garnet and Garnet… Well, we have a lead on Garnet."

The next sentence to leave his mouth instantly sent a shiver down your spine and sympathy pains rocked your body.

"She's being held prisoner in a city called Midgar."

Another man in a suit walks by, glasses glinting and the sound of a pen scraping against paper. You can't understand why he's watching you. What's so interesting about your blood and the vial it's going in?

Your arms are sore from being pinched, prodded, and jabbed with needles. Your eyes are bloodshot from crying and the harsh light of the examination room.

"Your mother would have been a better specimen, but you'll do."

A mix of rage and sorrow washes over you again, hands shaking with anger even as a fresh wave of tears threatens to spill forth.

You hate this place. And you hate him. Right now if someone asked your heart's desire, there could only be one option.

To be anywhere but here.


"Why the hell is she here?" The Tantalus boss (Baku, Freya told you later) demanded.

"I've been a prisoner of Shinra before, I know the layout of the tower, my friends rescued me from there once before, and I would rather not have anyone go through that again." You say firmly.

"... Alright then." Baku relented. "Cinna, scooch over, let the lady join. Now like I was saying-"

Baku's plan was basically to distract the SOLDIERs and executives of Shinra with the play of LOVELESS, and allow Zidane to infiltrate Shinra tower to extract Garnet. It wasn't a bad plan, Genesis was infamous for his obsession with LOVELESS, but their plan for the infiltration itself was spotty at best. Steal a uniform, find Garnet, get out. Fly back to Dalmasca and figure out the next steps from there.

Freya pulled you aside once Baku's briefing was done. "Are you sure you want to help them?"

"Of course I am." You say empathetically. "I don't want anyone else to go through what I did."

"I know, I just mean… I've never been good at sneaking around and I obviously don't look human. If you decide to go with them, I don't think I'll be able to help. Alfyn might be a bit better but he's too honest. Not to mention our obligation to Clan Centurio-"

"What are you trying to say?"

"Just… I know you want to help Garnet, and I do too. But please weigh your options. Giving Tantalus advice is one thing, but if you help them directly, that will mean going into Shinra's den."

"Right…" It's true. Some small scared part of you would rather never set foot in Midgar again. But if you could help them- if you could save another girl from experiencing life as Hojo's lab rat…

Wasn't that worth the risk?

What will you do?

[ ] Advise Tantalus: You won't go with Tantalus, just give them intel on Shinra and their defenses. They are skilled thieves, and the distraction will pull away the strongest defenders anyway. But the results will be out of your hand [Tantalus will roll with a small bonus to represent the help Aerith gave them. Actions in Rabanastre will continue as normal.]

[ ] Accompany Tantalus as a Stagehand/Actor: This will get you in the city, and allow you to more directly participate in the proceedings. That should give you more time to drill Zidane on how to break in, and let you aid in their escape. But you'll avoid the actual infiltration altogether. [Tantalus will roll with a large bonus to represent the help Aerith gave them. Aerith will have 4 personal actions to perform in Midgar. She will not participate in the infiltration, but may assist in the escape.]

[ ] Accompany Tantalus as an Infiltrator: The riskiest play, but potentially the most rewarding. You can directly show Zidane all the tricks AVALANCHE used and help him escape. You'll very likely reveal yourself to Shinra, but this may be your best chance to get into their HQ. For whatever purposes that might serve… [Aerith will directly participate in the infiltration, adding all relevant bonuses to Tantalus. Aerith will have 4 personal actions to perform in Midgar.]

Take the others with you?

[ ] Yes: Freya and Alfyn might not be the best choices for infiltration, but they've had your back for months now, and you're already close to them. You feel safer with them around. [Faction Actions in Dalmasca will be halted until the adventure is resolved. Freya and Alfyn will each have a personal action to perform in Midgar. Alfyn may participate in the infiltration, Freya may only participate in the play and escape]

[ ] No: Freya is right that she isn't suited for this, and you have too many important things going on in Dalmasca to just pack up and leave. They'll just have to trust you and you'll have to trust them. [Faction Actions in Dalmasca will continue, with only Alfyn or Freya's stats (whichever is higher) being added to the rolls. They will receive the normal complement of personal actions.]

[ ] Hire Shadow: Tantalus might not like it, but Shadow is one of the sneakiest guys you know, this kind of job would be right up his alley. Might have to pay him extra for such a bit job though. [Costs 2 Funds, 1 up front and 1 after the job. Shadow will be hired to participate in the infiltration and will add relevant bonuses. Faction Actions in Dalmasca will continue, with only Alfyn or Freya's stats (whichever is higher) being added to the rolls. They will receive the normal complement of personal actions.]

Sorry to hit y'all with such an important vote so soon after the last one. This one will have a very, very big impact on Turn 8. So, please consider carefully. I look forward to seeing the result~
 
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[ ] Yes: Freya and Alfyn might not be the best choices for infiltration, but they've had your back for months now, and you're already close to them. You feel safer with them around. [Faction Actions in Dalmasca will be halted until the adventure is resolved. Freya and Alfyn will each have a personal action to perform in Midgar. Alfyn may participate in the infiltration, Freya may only participate in the play and escape]
Can we hire Shadow to also accompany us, if we go?

Also, I think we should go, if for no other reason, top check who if anyone of Avalanche is in Midgar
 
[x] Accompany Tantalus as an Infiltrator: The riskiest play, but potentially the most rewarding. You can directly show Zidane all the tricks AVALANCHE used and help him escape. You'll very likely reveal yourself to Shinra, but this may be your best chance to get into their HQ. For whatever purposes that might serve… [Aerith will directly participate in the infiltration, adding all relevant bonuses to Tantalus. Aerith will have 4 personal actions to perform in Midgar.]

[x] Hire Shadow: Tantalus might not like it, but Shadow is one of the sneakiest guys you know, this kind of job would be right up his alley. Might have to pay him extra for such a bit job though. [Costs 2 Funds, 1 up front and 1 after the job. Shadow will be hired to participate in the infiltration and will add relevant bonuses. Faction Actions in Dalmasca will continue, with only Alfyn or Freya's stats (whichever is higher) being added to the rolls. They will receive the normal complement of personal actions.]

This seems like the best set-up to me personally.
 
[X] Accompany Tantalus as a Stagehand/Actor: This will get you in the city, and allow you to more directly participate in the proceedings. That should give you more time to drill Zidane on how to break in, and let you aid in their escape. But you'll avoid the actual infiltration altogether. [Tantalus will roll with a large bonus to represent the help Aerith gave them. Aerith will have 4 personal actions to perform in Midgar. She will not participate in the infiltration, but may assist in the escape.]

[X] Hire Shadow: Tantalus might not like it, but Shadow is one of the sneakiest guys you know, this kind of job would be right up his alley. Might have to pay him extra for such a bit job though. [Costs 2 Funds, 1 up front and 1 after the job. Shadow will be hired to participate in the infiltration and will add relevant bonuses. Faction Actions in Dalmasca will continue, with only Alfyn or Freya's stats (whichever is higher) being added to the rolls. They will receive the normal complement of personal actions.]

I think Aerith being an infiltrator is an unnecessary risk if we're hiring Shadow for the job. The only Shinra exec who's actually seen Aerith and knows that she's the last remaining Ancient is Hojo, and there's no way he'll be pulled away from his experiments by a play. We're also far less likely to be identified by any automated surveillance system if we stay outside of Shinra Tower proper. Aerith being identified by Shinra will put them on alert much quicker and more severely than any regular infiltration would.

We simply have to trust that Zidane and Shadow are skilled enough to succeed in this on their own, especially if we're able to use the time during the trip to Midgar to run them through everything they should expect to encounter.
 
[x] Accompany Tantalus as an Infiltrator: The riskiest play, but potentially the most rewarding. You can directly show Zidane all the tricks AVALANCHE used and help him escape. You'll very likely reveal yourself to Shinra, but this may be your best chance to get into their HQ. For whatever purposes that might serve… [Aerith will directly participate in the infiltration, adding all relevant bonuses to Tantalus. Aerith will have 4 personal actions to perform in Midgar.]

[x] Hire Shadow: Tantalus might not like it, but Shadow is one of the sneakiest guys you know, this kind of job would be right up his alley. Might have to pay him extra for such a bit job though. [Costs 2 Funds, 1 up front and 1 after the job. Shadow will be hired to participate in the infiltration and will add relevant bonuses. Faction Actions in Dalmasca will continue, with only Alfyn or Freya's stats (whichever is higher) being added to the rolls. They will receive the normal complement of personal actions.]
 
[X] Accompany Tantalus as a Stagehand/Actor: This will get you in the city, and allow you to more directly participate in the proceedings. That should give you more time to drill Zidane on how to break in, and let you aid in their escape. But you'll avoid the actual infiltration altogether. [Tantalus will roll with a large bonus to represent the help Aerith gave them. Aerith will have 4 personal actions to perform in Midgar. She will not participate in the infiltration, but may assist in the escape.]

[X] Hire Shadow: Tantalus might not like it, but Shadow is one of the sneakiest guys you know, this kind of job would be right up his alley. Might have to pay him extra for such a bit job though. [Costs 2 Funds, 1 up front and 1 after the job. Shadow will be hired to participate in the infiltration and will add relevant bonuses. Faction Actions in Dalmasca will continue, with only Alfyn or Freya's stats (whichever is higher) being added to the rolls. They will receive the normal complement of personal actions.]

I think with something like Infiltration, a bigger team isn't necessarily better. Shadow and Zidane is probably a good amount of skills, even if Zidane is probably gonna annoy the piss out of Shadow. (Hm, almost convinced myself of sending Aerith along just so we could see that)
 
[X] Accompany Tantalus as an Infiltrator: The riskiest play, but potentially the most rewarding. You can directly show Zidane all the tricks AVALANCHE used and help him escape. You'll very likely reveal yourself to Shinra, but this may be your best chance to get into their HQ. For whatever purposes that might serve… [Aerith will directly participate in the infiltration, adding all relevant bonuses to Tantalus. Aerith will have 4 personal actions to perform in Midgar.]

[X] Hire Shadow: Tantalus might not like it, but Shadow is one of the sneakiest guys you know, this kind of job would be right up his alley. Might have to pay him extra for such a bit job though. [Costs 2 Funds, 1 up front and 1 after the job. Shadow will be hired to participate in the infiltration and will add relevant bonuses. Faction Actions in Dalmasca will continue, with only Alfyn or Freya's stats (whichever is higher) being added to the rolls. They will receive the normal complement of personal actions.]

Well, I say we go all in since we don't know how difficult the infiltration will be. We would probably be discovered by Shinra eventually anyway, I like the narrative reason of Aerith doing it to save a girl from suffering the same things she did.
 
I mean... it might be awkward if Garnet gets saved, but there's some other heir to a lost civilisation that's a good looking woman that's now tagging along with noted flirt Zidane and...

Huh... I might be talking myself into supporting Infiltrator plan anyway.
 
Things to do in Midgar:
  • Check the status of Sector 7: With Rufus in charge the plate should have been dropped, but it's possible that the Upheaval really messed with the timeline. If it is dropped though, capturing some proof of the lack of rebuilding efforts in their capital city (from a self-inflicted catastrophe) will be good anti-Shinra propaganda.
  • Find Elmyra and Marlene: It's impossible to know for sure with the Upheaval's timeline shenanigans, but it's pretty likely that Elmyra and Marlene are still in Sector 5. If so, we should try to get them out of Midgar and bring them to Dalmasca if at all possible.
  • Look for other AVALANCHE members: While it's doubtful that any members of Barret's AVALANCHE cell are in Midgar, it certainly doesn't hurt to check if any other cells are still kicking around. Connecting with them would be incredibly helpful to staying ahead of Shinra's plans.
  • Buy gear with Materia slots: Since the other universes don't use Materia, Shinra is currently the only one manufacturing gear that allows for the use of Materia. We should pick some stuff up while we have the chance.
  • Kill Don Corneo: Look maybe it'll actually succeed this time. We owe it to everyone to make an attempt if we get the chance.
I mean... it might be awkward if Garnet gets saved, but there's some other heir to a lost civilisation that's a good looking woman that's now tagging along with noted flirt Zidane and...
I was going to say that I don't think Garnet has much to worry about considering that Zidane is 16 and Aerith is 22, but then I realized that that wouldn't stop Zidane from trying to flirt nor Garnet potentially getting jealous of said flirting. We also have the entire airship ride back to Dalmasca for those interactions to play out in, not just the infiltration mission.

Well, I say we go all in since we don't know how difficult the infiltration will be. We would probably be discovered by Shinra eventually anyway, I like the narrative reason of Aerith doing it to save a girl from suffering the same things she did.
I don't think that the bonus from our direct participation in the infiltration will be significantly higher than the bonus for being a stage hand, considering that our intrigue stat is 16 and the only relevant trait is location specific to slums, not corporate headquarters. And there's a major difference between being discovered by Shinra while out in the world, and being discovered by Shinra while in Hojo's lab.
 
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I think there's risks and rewards for joining the infiltration. I'm not sure how much we'll contribute compared to a team of two actually specialized infiltrators, but on the other hand, if we come along, we might also learn a lot more about Shinra's current status, since neither Zidane nor Shadow would have the context to understand certain information.
 
[X] Accompany Tantalus as an Infiltrator: The riskiest play, but potentially the most rewarding. You can directly show Zidane all the tricks AVALANCHE used and help him escape. You'll very likely reveal yourself to Shinra, but this may be your best chance to get into their HQ. For whatever purposes that might serve… [Aerith will directly participate in the infiltration, adding all relevant bonuses to Tantalus. Aerith will have 4 personal actions to perform in Midgar.]

[X] Hire Shadow: Tantalus might not like it, but Shadow is one of the sneakiest guys you know, this kind of job would be right up his alley. Might have to pay him extra for such a bit job though. [Costs 2 Funds, 1 up front and 1 after the job. Shadow will be hired to participate in the infiltration and will add relevant bonuses. Faction Actions in Dalmasca will continue, with only Alfyn or Freya's stats (whichever is higher) being added to the rolls. They will receive the normal complement of personal actions.]
 
I think there's risks and rewards for joining the infiltration. I'm not sure how much we'll contribute compared to a team of two actually specialized infiltrators, but on the other hand, if we come along, we might also learn a lot more about Shinra's current status, since neither Zidane nor Shadow would have the context to understand certain information.
I mean, the whole point of giving them the run down during the trip to Midgar is to give them an understanding of Mako/Materia/General Shinra hardware/forces. You don't need to know the cellular process of SOLDIER enhancements to understand what a significant increase of recruits for the program might mean for Shinra's plans. Don't forget that this is an infiltration and extraction mission first and foremost, we're not exactly hacking into Shinra's computer systems for this. We'll be learning more about Shinra's current status from visiting Midgar itself than anything else.
 
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