Army of Liberty: a Fantasy Revolutionary Warfare Quest
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So the second means artillery can shoot over Forest from Hills as before, since Forests do not block LOS when on hills? Good, back to planmaking for me.
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I'm alright with the middle option. Being able to see a unit entering a forest but loosing track of them once they enter does accomplish what the revised spotting system sets out to do. It doesn't make hills irrelevant as certain hills allow you to see unit entering into an area (knowing someone is sneaking there is useful information, if you can spare the scout!) but also still allows for a measure of stealth. Considering it's generally possible to occupy a hill on your own side, the middle option is alright and produces similar outcomes as the pre-spotting change. Which is an advantage, as this doesn't throw a huge wrench into planning during this battle.
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So there isn't a situation where the other side's artillery just shoots yours and takes it out easily with counterbattery fire.
Meanwhile getting cavalry or infantry close enough to directly attack artillery with their much shorter ranges is an actual achievement that requires significant effort, particularly if the enemy has positioned their artillery well enough to be properly protected.
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Does this quest use different types of ammo for guns ?
Grapeshot,solid shell etc. ?
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Not currently, though different types of ammunition have been suggested before as a mechanic including by the QM. We are still dealing with the aftermath of completely reworking base mechanics, so fresh new mechanics might take some time.
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The realism explanation for this is that artillery batteries are small and hard-to-hit targets compared to the enemy infantry. Counter-battery fire wasn't entirely avoided but gunners were advised against it in 90%+ of cases because it's just a far less efficient use of cannonballs. That wouldn't change until precise rifled guns started to appear in the mid-19th century that could actually hit a point target like a battery reliably.
I think specialized ammo makes sense down the line as buffs/modifiers (packing canister giving a battery a bunch of extra hits for Close Range fire or such) but probably doesn't need to be a whole new mechanic or action if/when introduced. Gunners can figure out what's best for a given situation/shot without us looking over their shoulder
And I'll put my vote in while I'm here:
[X] Plan: Preparing A Firing Retreat
Ok, so time to discuss this battle and especially Von Trotha's plans. Based on his character, he wants to bombard us with artillery, before he even considers charging. His idea is thus to either destroy our ability to defend ourselves by massed artillery fire before charging, or even using his artillery advantage to force us to charge.
His army is built around this principle: I expect him to move his infantry up relatively slowly, close to the artillery so that he always has artillery support for his troops. This is why I don't like either of the other current proposed plans, which make moves in the center plains. I fail to see how we can get favorable casualty ratios on his army in the open plain, since once our artillery or infantry is in range of his troops, his artillery will also be in range of ours.
As has been discussed extensively already, Long-range fire on our entrenched position is not going to get him anywhere, which means he must push his artillery into Medium range. To hit our fortified positions at Medium range, he will have to Set Up his artillery in some of the red-marked positions shown below.
View: https://imgur.com/a/oOMyCw7
Looking at this, it is obvious he must secure the Rotholz hills and the area south of the Rotholz forest on the right flank. He also must take the Kirchenholz forest on the left flank. Without holding both of these positions, he cannot safely bring his main army and his artillery up into Medium Range with our main defensive line. Note that with the new Flanking and Facing mechanics, trying to bypass our troops holding either flank by rushing in the center is even more ill-advised than before.
This is why the first stage of his battle-plan must be securing both flanks in order to advance in the center and set up his artillery. This is another reason I do not really support the two other plans: they both give Von Trotha nice targets in the center and also don't do enough to secure and hold the critical flank positions.
My suggestion is therefore to avoid the center altogether and send troops up the flanks to take the Rotholz and send skirmishers into the Kirchenholz, supported by cavalry. He has to dislodge both of our flanking forces, and fortunately both flanks are difficult for his artillery fire to reach. Artillery cannot shoot over hills and can only shoot over forests while on a hill: this limits how he can concentrate artillery fire on the flanks. Shown below are the positions his artillery can effectively shoot from into the green areas on the flanks.
View: https://imgur.com/a/491H4Cn
Realistically, he cannot put all his artillery on these red positions, since that would leave the center and the other flank weak. Thus fighting him in the green-marked areas is in our favour compared to fighting in the central plain, where he can easily shoot. If he cannot use his artillery efficiently, he must send in his infantry. This allows us to mitigate his greatest advantage and bleed him, which is what we want for this stage of the battle.
Therefore, my plan is to send a significant detachment of our forces into the East part of the map, to take Rotholz and make the enemy pay for taking it back. On the Western part, the halfling pathfinders advance, with their retreat covered by Guillory's Hussars. The obvious difference to the other proposed plans is that I am not doing any movements in the center. Another difference is that I want to keep Guillory's Hussars on the Western flank and hidden, instead of moving them up. The intent is for them to backup the pathfinders and charge enemies weakened by Pathfinder fire if Von Trotha neglects his Western flank. Instead of them, I am sending the 55th up to the forward position at Rotholz. They have a Defensive Genius, so they get the most dangerous job.
View: https://imgur.com/a/UDH9yAB
[X] Plan: Cover and Concealement
-[X] Cav (Go before others when possible)
-[X] Guillory's Hussars: Move to the hills NW of you, overlooking the Kirchenholz Forest.
-[X] 13th Hob Lanc: Brace
-[X] 108th Elv Hsr: 2*Move [NW, NW, NW, NE, NE| Facing NE], Ready Charge 100m, current facing
-[X] 55th Elv Hsr: 3*Move [E, NE, NE, NW, NW, NW, NW, NE, NW, NE | Facing NW]
-[X] Inf (go in order of list)
-[X] 19th Half Pfd [Rapid -> 4 base movement]: 3* Move [W, 2*NW, NE, NW, NE | Facing NW]
-[X] 16th Half Pfd: 3*Move [NE, 4NW | Facing NE]
-[X] 28th Half Pfd: 3*Move [3 NW, W| Facing NE]
-[X] 200th Hob: Brace, Ready Fire (200m), Ready Fire(100m)
-[X] 251st Hob: Brace, Ready Fire (200m), Ready Fire(100m)
-[X] 72nd Hum: Brace, Ready Fire (200m), Ready Fire(100m)
-[X] 148th Hum: 3 Move [NE, NW, NE, NW, NE| Facing NW]
-[X] 45th Elv: 3 Mov [4 NE, NW| Facing NE]
-[X] 42nd Elv: 3 Mov [3 NW, NE| Facing NE]
-[X] Artillery (go last if possible)
-[X] 31st Elv Art: Ready Fire [Med. Range
-[X] 10th Hum Art: Ready Fire [Med. Range
-[X] 84th Elv Art: Ready Fire [Med. Range
-[X] 5th Hob H. Art.: Move [2 NW, NE, NW | Facing NE] + Setup (Free, NW), Ready Fire [Med. Range; W,NE]
-[X] HQ: Do nothing
His army is built around this principle: I expect him to move his infantry up relatively slowly, close to the artillery so that he always has artillery support for his troops. This is why I don't like either of the other current proposed plans, which make moves in the center plains. I fail to see how we can get favorable casualty ratios on his army in the open plain, since once our artillery or infantry is in range of his troops, his artillery will also be in range of ours.
As has been discussed extensively already, Long-range fire on our entrenched position is not going to get him anywhere, which means he must push his artillery into Medium range. To hit our fortified positions at Medium range, he will have to Set Up his artillery in some of the red-marked positions shown below.
View: https://imgur.com/a/oOMyCw7
Looking at this, it is obvious he must secure the Rotholz hills and the area south of the Rotholz forest on the right flank. He also must take the Kirchenholz forest on the left flank. Without holding both of these positions, he cannot safely bring his main army and his artillery up into Medium Range with our main defensive line. Note that with the new Flanking and Facing mechanics, trying to bypass our troops holding either flank by rushing in the center is even more ill-advised than before.
This is why the first stage of his battle-plan must be securing both flanks in order to advance in the center and set up his artillery. This is another reason I do not really support the two other plans: they both give Von Trotha nice targets in the center and also don't do enough to secure and hold the critical flank positions.
My suggestion is therefore to avoid the center altogether and send troops up the flanks to take the Rotholz and send skirmishers into the Kirchenholz, supported by cavalry. He has to dislodge both of our flanking forces, and fortunately both flanks are difficult for his artillery fire to reach. Artillery cannot shoot over hills and can only shoot over forests while on a hill: this limits how he can concentrate artillery fire on the flanks. Shown below are the positions his artillery can effectively shoot from into the green areas on the flanks.
View: https://imgur.com/a/491H4Cn
Realistically, he cannot put all his artillery on these red positions, since that would leave the center and the other flank weak. Thus fighting him in the green-marked areas is in our favour compared to fighting in the central plain, where he can easily shoot. If he cannot use his artillery efficiently, he must send in his infantry. This allows us to mitigate his greatest advantage and bleed him, which is what we want for this stage of the battle.
Therefore, my plan is to send a significant detachment of our forces into the East part of the map, to take Rotholz and make the enemy pay for taking it back. On the Western part, the halfling pathfinders advance, with their retreat covered by Guillory's Hussars. The obvious difference to the other proposed plans is that I am not doing any movements in the center. Another difference is that I want to keep Guillory's Hussars on the Western flank and hidden, instead of moving them up. The intent is for them to backup the pathfinders and charge enemies weakened by Pathfinder fire if Von Trotha neglects his Western flank. Instead of them, I am sending the 55th up to the forward position at Rotholz. They have a Defensive Genius, so they get the most dangerous job.
View: https://imgur.com/a/UDH9yAB
[X] Plan: Cover and Concealement
-[X] Cav (Go before others when possible)
-[X] Guillory's Hussars: Move to the hills NW of you, overlooking the Kirchenholz Forest.
-[X] 13th Hob Lanc: Brace
-[X] 108th Elv Hsr: 2*Move [NW, NW, NW, NE, NE| Facing NE], Ready Charge 100m, current facing
-[X] 55th Elv Hsr: 3*Move [E, NE, NE, NW, NW, NW, NW, NE, NW, NE | Facing NW]
-[X] Inf (go in order of list)
-[X] 19th Half Pfd [Rapid -> 4 base movement]: 3* Move [W, 2*NW, NE, NW, NE | Facing NW]
-[X] 16th Half Pfd: 3*Move [NE, 4NW | Facing NE]
-[X] 28th Half Pfd: 3*Move [3 NW, W| Facing NE]
-[X] 200th Hob: Brace, Ready Fire (200m), Ready Fire(100m)
-[X] 251st Hob: Brace, Ready Fire (200m), Ready Fire(100m)
-[X] 72nd Hum: Brace, Ready Fire (200m), Ready Fire(100m)
-[X] 148th Hum: 3 Move [NE, NW, NE, NW, NE| Facing NW]
-[X] 45th Elv: 3 Mov [4 NE, NW| Facing NE]
-[X] 42nd Elv: 3 Mov [3 NW, NE| Facing NE]
-[X] Artillery (go last if possible)
-[X] 31st Elv Art: Ready Fire [Med. Range
-[X] 10th Hum Art: Ready Fire [Med. Range
-[X] 84th Elv Art: Ready Fire [Med. Range
-[X] 5th Hob H. Art.: Move [2 NW, NE, NW | Facing NE] + Setup (Free, NW), Ready Fire [Med. Range; W,NE]
-[X] HQ: Do nothing
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Also @Red Rationalist , I tried to use your Inkscape file but unfortunately Google again complained I do not have permission..
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I will look into it.
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Alright, should be fine now.
Good, thank you. I might update the visualisation later.
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Ok, onto the plan critique:
A) Rotholz
By comparison, I am simply putting the artillery in a position where they can bleed Trotha on his approach. Clear gain (ineffective bombardment, followed by a period of melee and potential withdrawl). Sending the horse artillery onto the hill will also do very little (forest tiles are -20, with the assualt from the NE being quite plausible). If you can even spot the enemy before moving into melee, considering forests tiles block vision. I think the key to a fighting retreat is to actually strike a blow with the temporary forward position.
B) Skirmisher
Still, I admire your diligence in avoiding artillery fire. I just think a winning plan needs more than a concept of avoiding fire, we need to weaken and break the enemy before we fall back to our finally position. Leaving the enemy more damaged than we are for the charge, ideally by routing his dwarves (-1 AP for remaining battle, meaning they can only halve their stress by resting, move slower and do fewer attacks). The smallest net loss is still a net loss.
A) Rotholz
So, your strategy for victory is to wait for a enemy charge and let Trotha weaken those units without reprisal. The main issues here is lack of an element that gives an advantage: If we follow your plan, Trotha is free to concentrate forces and overwhelm us in a melee. Your plan takes the least losses from fire, but it also relatively little in the way of gains.
By comparison, I am simply putting the artillery in a position where they can bleed Trotha on his approach. Clear gain (ineffective bombardment, followed by a period of melee and potential withdrawl). Sending the horse artillery onto the hill will also do very little (forest tiles are -20, with the assualt from the NE being quite plausible). If you can even spot the enemy before moving into melee, considering forests tiles block vision. I think the key to a fighting retreat is to actually strike a blow with the temporary forward position.
B) Skirmisher
So, I think this is a mistake here. If you give him most of the centre to freely march through, he can absolutely bypass the Kirschenholz by sticking to the Rotholz area. The Kirschenholz is relevant in so far as we put a firing line in the middle, allowing for ambushes on Sarnscheid.
Still, I admire your diligence in avoiding artillery fire. I just think a winning plan needs more than a concept of avoiding fire, we need to weaken and break the enemy before we fall back to our finally position. Leaving the enemy more damaged than we are for the charge, ideally by routing his dwarves (-1 AP for remaining battle, meaning they can only halve their stress by resting, move slower and do fewer attacks). The smallest net loss is still a net loss.
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[X] Plan: Cover and Concealement
[X] Plan: Skirmish Plan Revised
-[X] Visualization (Top numbers represent possible horse arty movement/ready fire)
-[X] 19th Half Pfd [Rapid -> 4 base movement]: [3 Move] 1W, 2NW, 1NE, 1NW, 1NE
-[X] 16th Half Pfd: [3 Move] 1NE, 3NW, [Face NE]
-[X] 28th Half Pfd: [3 Move] 5 NW, [Face NE]
-[X] 200th Hob: [2 Move, Ready Action Fire] 4 NW, Readyfire Long Range NE
-[X] 251st Hob: [2 Move, Ready Action Fire] 4 NW, Readyfire Long Range NE
-[X] 13th Hob Lanc: [2 Move] 5NW, 1NE, Hide
-[X] Guillory's Hussars: [1 Move, 2Hide for both units] Move so that the 350th is W and the 341st is SE of the 28th Halflings, then hide both units
-[X] 72nd Hum: [2 Move, Ready Action Fire] 4 NW, Readyfire Long Range NE
-[X] 148th Hum: [2 Move, Ready Action Fire] 4 NW, Readyfire Long Range NW
-[X] 45th Elv: [2 Move, Readyfire] 3 NW, Readyfire Long Range NW
-[X] 108th Elv Hsr: [2 Move, Scout] 3NW, 2NE, 1NW, Scout
-[X] 55th Elv Hsr: [2 Move, 1 Hide] 1E, 2NE, 4NE, 1NE, Hide [Face NW]
-[X] 42nd Elv: [3 Move] 1W, 1NE, 1W, 2NE
-[X] 5th Hob H. Art.: [2 Move], [2 NE, 2 E], Setup and Readyfire medium range; W to NE]
-[X] 31st Elv Art: [3 Move] NE, 2NW [Facing NW]
-[X] 10th Hum Art: [3 Move] NE, 2NW [Facing NW]
-[X] 84th Elv Art: [3 Move] NE, 2NW [Facing NW]
So Red Rationalist made some critiques about my plan and I factored some of that in, mainly a less forward movement in order to avoid fire from enemy horse artillery, most units have been moved back by at least a bit. Calcs (for the math on the exchange of skirmishing and horse artillery. With the extra AP, I ready actioned some infantry to prepare to fire in Trotha moves into range. I also really don't think Trotha will engage in melee action with our units, it just goes against what we know about him, so I don't think we need to brace.
And the main difference from what I see between the two other plans it that this plan uses the bulk of the infantry in order to skirmish insteading of trying to hold Rotholz or mainly just move on the flanks.
-[X] Visualization (Top numbers represent possible horse arty movement/ready fire)
-[X] 19th Half Pfd [Rapid -> 4 base movement]: [3 Move] 1W, 2NW, 1NE, 1NW, 1NE
-[X] 16th Half Pfd: [3 Move] 1NE, 3NW, [Face NE]
-[X] 28th Half Pfd: [3 Move] 5 NW, [Face NE]
-[X] 200th Hob: [2 Move, Ready Action Fire] 4 NW, Readyfire Long Range NE
-[X] 251st Hob: [2 Move, Ready Action Fire] 4 NW, Readyfire Long Range NE
-[X] 13th Hob Lanc: [2 Move] 5NW, 1NE, Hide
-[X] Guillory's Hussars: [1 Move, 2Hide for both units] Move so that the 350th is W and the 341st is SE of the 28th Halflings, then hide both units
-[X] 72nd Hum: [2 Move, Ready Action Fire] 4 NW, Readyfire Long Range NE
-[X] 148th Hum: [2 Move, Ready Action Fire] 4 NW, Readyfire Long Range NW
-[X] 45th Elv: [2 Move, Readyfire] 3 NW, Readyfire Long Range NW
-[X] 108th Elv Hsr: [2 Move, Scout] 3NW, 2NE, 1NW, Scout
-[X] 55th Elv Hsr: [2 Move, 1 Hide] 1E, 2NE, 4NE, 1NE, Hide [Face NW]
-[X] 42nd Elv: [3 Move] 1W, 1NE, 1W, 2NE
-[X] 5th Hob H. Art.: [2 Move], [2 NE, 2 E], Setup and Readyfire medium range; W to NE]
-[X] 31st Elv Art: [3 Move] NE, 2NW [Facing NW]
-[X] 10th Hum Art: [3 Move] NE, 2NW [Facing NW]
-[X] 84th Elv Art: [3 Move] NE, 2NW [Facing NW]
So Red Rationalist made some critiques about my plan and I factored some of that in, mainly a less forward movement in order to avoid fire from enemy horse artillery, most units have been moved back by at least a bit. Calcs (for the math on the exchange of skirmishing and horse artillery. With the extra AP, I ready actioned some infantry to prepare to fire in Trotha moves into range. I also really don't think Trotha will engage in melee action with our units, it just goes against what we know about him, so I don't think we need to brace.
And the main difference from what I see between the two other plans it that this plan uses the bulk of the infantry in order to skirmish insteading of trying to hold Rotholz or mainly just move on the flanks.
Ok, but for units in plains, having a 43.25% chance to do 300 casualties and 71.88% to do 250 is not really something that we can just shrug off. In three turns he could easily get 600+ casualties from just artillery alone, and potenially much higher. Doing hit and run orders with cavalry isn't really a response if they just route from readyfire. I agree that we don't want to avoid loss at all costs, but I think potenial losses is something that we should consider, horses are know it's own resource now and I don't think we can just keep spending our cavalry like we did at Brutet. If a unit takes that many losses it also going to be less effective due to combat reduction from casualties.
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So, first thing: Your calculations are about medium range, while the point I was making was in the context of long-ranged fire. This was a snippet of a larger discussion and not representive of the overall plan. Obviously we won't survive medium range for long and I don't propose to charge into gun full gun fire blindly. I'm talking about hit and run once he commits to a charge, using the hill cover if possible and thus avoiding fire. I would prefer it if my actual plan reasoning for my actual plan was critiqued, rather than a snippet of a long discussion. If a cavalry charge is too dangerous, we don't charge. It's that hat easy.
This (hangs back = long-ranged fire and starts a very late charge):
was a response to this (question of counterplay if Trotha resorts to continues fortress bombardment)
Context of this discussions aside: I also think the base assumption about fire here is unrealistic. The conversation revolves around maximum fire concentration on a single point, but Trotha will want to cover multiple direction, set up artillery on specific hills, potentially even provide fire support on the flanks. I'm quite willing to bet his actual, turn to turn fire will be quite a bit below the theoretical maximum.
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Come on, please do not misrepresent my strategy. I clearly spelled it out in the very passage you are quoting:
How do you get "without reprisal from that"? The plan is to hurt whatver units he sends onto the Eastern flank to push us out of Rotholz. We can ambush them, we can shoot them, we can melee them. Without his artillery, the fight is much more in our favor.
Overwhelm us in melee with what forces? He has ten units of infantry, true, but of that only the Nymphs are high quality. You say this like him sending his barely trained, likely poor morale human troops into the Forest to fight our troops is a bad thing! That exchange should be in our favor, as long as we are careful with the Nymphs.
There is also the other plan: if he does commit a significant portion of his troops to the East, we either move our entire army into that same area and fight him there, or counter-attack him in the center. Him moving to "overwhelm us" in the East is a significnat investment from him, one we will see coming. When it happens, we can choose between a fighting retreat or a counter-attack with our main force.
But by doing this, you are also putting us in a position where his artillery can bleed us. Both sides bleeding is not beneficial.
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So, I think you are massively overvaluing the impact of both morale and melee. If I'm viewing your picture correctly, you are planning to send 2 Elves (42nd and 45th), the 148th to Rotholz, alongside 2 cavalry. Aside from not being a fan of using Hussars for engaging in melee in Rotholz (-40 rather than -20 melee damage onto forests), this isn't a particularly strong force. I don't know where you want to position them, but one the elves literally take disadvantage on all morale checks. If he brings a decent number of infantry and charges after a bombardment, he can overwhelm those in melee.
3 out of 5 of your forces suffer from a severe handicap in regards to melee, aside from the cavalry being generally squishier and bad at holding. I'm much more optimistic about the Rotholz melee if the units take a firing salvo from medium range while they charge.
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No, I'm not putting our forces into medium range (what I want to do this his approach on Rotholz, bleeding him). He doesn't bleed us there, he get's a target in a fortress (literally safter than medium range) and long-ranged ones.
So your plan is to give him the centre to freely set his artillery up (giving him the option of bombarding us once we move), than move out of cover to melee in the east if he tries to kill the Halflings. Or alternatively, run out of cover on the open plain and charge him. Just so we clear, you want to move our infantry out of their cover to hold Rotholz and hope for the best regarding the remaining artillery? That seems rather ill-advised.
The move I prefer here is to use our own artillery radius to pressure against moving into medium range in the first place. Once he moves a battery forward, he needs to screen. If he screens and moves artillery, we get medium shots and can also conduct a fire and back move with the following (Ready Fire, Ready Move). Meaning we get damage in as we fall back.
Ah ok, my bad that I missed that. Just to clarify, is your plan that we want to seize Rotholz and occupy the plains somewhere southwest of that? The defensive bonuses at Rotholz would prevent enemy artillery/infantry from being effective and distance protects the units on the plains. If the enemy wants to medium range units on the plains, they have to move up into our artillery medium range and our position at Rotholz and depending on the situation we fight there or do a fighting withdrawal south to the starting position at the breatworks? I'm I understanding the basis of your plan correctly?
It's a good thing there are some nice open plains south of the Forest then. Plains he must cross to Charge us, giving our cavalry a chance to counter-charge.
Also, you are assuming my plan is less flexible than it really is. The troops sent there now is the initial force, and the cavalry is mostly there to scout. Depending on what approach Von Trptha chooses, we can reinforce the Rotholz position with more infantry if needed. My plan can actually transition into something similar to yours pretty easily. If he sets up a bombardment of the Rotholz position, that opens up the center for us to advance.
That is a big if, given that setting up a bombardment is far from simple and charging through Forest is movement-heavy. Not to mention that we can Brace if we see the charge coming.
Still, if the pressure gets bad, we retreat. It is a forward position, after all.
He cannot safely set up in Medium range of our southern position unless he first secures both his flanks. He also cannot both bombard in the East (Rotholz) and cover the West and the Center.
Honestly, I think there is a fundamental difference between how the two of us do planning that is getting in the way of this discussion. I am not dead set on any one path, it is turn one. I do not "want to do" anything except send forward elements to take positions on the critical flanks.
The scenario in which I would move our infantry out of cover and advance along the Center is one in which he has moved the bulk of his artillery to the East, where they cannot Fire at the center. I would not do that if he has significant artillery guarding that approach.
Also, sending reinforcements to the East will always be perfectly safe. His artillery cannot intercept them, there are hills in the way.
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Ok, hmm. Explain how you can get our cannons in medium range of his army without exposing our troops guarding our cannons to medium range fire from his artillery? Because that seems like a tall order to me.
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It's a bit late for me to fully dive into it, but that is a fair summary. I want to set up Rotholz as a position, with the movement I'm indicating my plan roughly the distance I want stay. So yeah 4ish tiles SW, depending on how far Trotha moves.
Fully correct, that is what I mean by bleeding them there. More specifically, I amining to get a salvo in at any charging units against Rotholz from the centre. Use Rotholz as a base for gaining monentum/causulties, withdraw once the situation get's too tough.
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Charging from Sarnscheid to Rotholz will cross the planned line of fire. Since moving artillery right next to it during the charge is impractical, we can get medium fire on plains without him being able to return it in kind.
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[X] Plan: Preparing A Firing Retreat
My primary priority is that the 45th is not given a role that puts them at the frontline, because I fully expect the Maverick trait to activate then have them do something stupid like refuse to pull back when the order is given.
My primary priority is that the 45th is not given a role that puts them at the frontline, because I fully expect the Maverick trait to activate then have them do something stupid like refuse to pull back when the order is given.
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Ok, I think overall that this is a good idea. Though I have two concerns regarding your plan, one is why send Guillory to take Rotholz Turm? The same position could be taken by the 55th and 108th, without risking taking horse artillery ready fire as Guillory does when moving from the west. And the second is I'm a bit concern that the artillery is a bit too far back to support Rotholz Turm, particularly on the northern end, the current position is set up well for a withdrawal but I'm not sure if we only want artillery fire just west/a bit north of Rotholz, a bit further up provides pretty good coverage of Rotholz's north in case Trotha doesn't move too far south.
Also do we know if Rotholz Turm occupies one or two tiles?
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[X] Plan: Preparing A Firing Retreat
I have some concerns, but overall I think the basis of the plan is sound.
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