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[X] Plan The Need For Time, 10 years of it V2
Loyalty is its own Reward (A Traitor Legion Chapter Master Quest)
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How the hell is a gun we only have 40 of our "signature weapon"? And "strategic flexibility" is why I'm permanently assigning our gear - Maybe you'd be fine having to micromanage every single gun our Marines have beyond a bolter, but I actually like the idea of our squads having a weapon for that situation built in in case of surprises.
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Because it is used to assassinate enemy leaders all the time, and we rarely ever deploy 10th Company without also giving them some. Leaving all of our snipers at home is just a plainly bad idea.
And you're confusing strategic with tactical. Strategic means flexibility in the planning stage and deciding where to go and what to bring along. Tactical flexibility is having options while you're already engaged. If we have to fight Chaos Space Marines at one spot and have a few others where it's just regular humans, we will want to give more Plasma and Melta Guns to the guys fighting the traitor Astartes because that's where they would be most useful. There is almost no benefit to giving such gear to the people facing ordinary human enemies, like the pirates this turn for example, because they can be killed by regular Bolters without a problem, but that gear would be extremely important for when you are fighting guys in power armor.
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Look pal, if you want to make it a requirement to micromanage the entire armory for the rest of the quest every single plan, be my guest. I, for one, like actually handling things in a remotely logical manner.
Nicholas Brooks
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It's logical to not use weapons available to us in the places where they'd be most effective? Sure...
I don't blame you for not liking having to assign wargear all the time, I've made plans here before, I know what it's like. But screwing our battle effectiveness for the sake of convenience is something we really cannot afford. If our Chapter was in any way adequately supplied from the beginning, then I wouldn't have a problem with it, but we're not, so we need to use our limited resources wisely.
after looking at it as you asked, have to agree with you. So I'm changing my vote.
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[X] Plan The Need For Time, 10 years of it V2
The only problem I have with this plan is that I'd prefer the Apothecarium option be swapped out in favor of talking to our Planetary Governor to figure out what the fuck this vote of no confidence is. I'd put Severus on it so we don't have to do that, but QM told me that's not allowed.
The only problem I have with this plan is that I'd prefer the Apothecarium option be swapped out in favor of talking to our Planetary Governor to figure out what the fuck this vote of no confidence is. I'd put Severus on it so we don't have to do that, but QM told me that's not allowed.
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Nicholas Brooks
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If you think it may be a Chaos plot then I'd be willing to swap it out. I just wish we could finish with Spatha's Geneseed studies. Losing notables like this sucks.
I agree. A captain, a champion, and soon our master of sanctity - pisses me off too.
But the vote is happening in the same turn that Luctus as a whole is asking us for a mass hunt and kill operation because the gribblies are being unnaturally aggressive. The plan stacks enough on that to raise it to acceptable chances of figuring out what's going on IMO, but once is chance, twice is coincidence...
Might be chaos, might be xenos, might be an exceptionally stupid refuge governor. Whichever it is, I wanna know if it's something we need to assign Friendly Neighborhood Batmen to.
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Alright, investigating the parliament it is. I hope getting actual senior staff frees up our action economy. It can't come soon enough.
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Personally I don't think it's Chaos at all. We just slapped them harshly and forced them into hiding. Though I do agree it might be possible that there's a dumb refuge governor doing stuff but let's remember that Luctus' surface is likely covered in Archaeo-tech from before the Mists. Perhaps there's some technology causing the wildlife to go crazy?
[X] Plan The Need For Time, 10 years of it V2
Seems like a good plan? I havent read it in depth as i usually do. but i'm tired, and this *looks* good.
Seems like a good plan? I havent read it in depth as i usually do. but i'm tired, and this *looks* good.
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[X] Plan The Need For Time, 10 years of it V2
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[X] Plan The Need For Time, 10 years of it V2
I'm changing my vote
[X] Plan The Need For Time, 10 years of it V2
[X] Plan The Need For Time, 10 years of it V2
Quest was recommended by 2 different people completely independent of each other...i can see why. Me likee, although one critique i have is that the dialogue could use some tweaking as it often sounds...out of setting. But that overall isnt a big or constant thing, just something i noticed as i binged.
[X] Plan The Need For Time, 10 years of it V2
[X] Plan The Need For Time, 10 years of it V2
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... I won't lie, I'm feeling more than a little cheated here. I win the vote, get it tossed out because of a detail never mentioned before, and now have my fixed plan being the focus of a dedicated fearmongering campaign that says things like "the coming disaster" over... me assigning our weapons on a permanent basis. I have to admit, it certainly doesn't make me inclined to treat the rest of this thread in good faith when it comes to plans in future.
We need a bigger and heavy vehicle pool for when we need to hit strong
And putting weapon in each plan gets tedious so better asign them to companies on a permanent basis
That wont create a disaster you are fear mongering
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It wasn't "never mentioned before." It has been a repeated factor in every turn we've played. We've never gotten anything from our actions before a deployment before, it's always had to come after. And I brought up the problems I had before and you didn't say a word and didn't give any indication that you'd be willing to change your plan at all. Even now there's still no Stalker Bolters assigned anywhere in your plan for example.
As for good faith, it was my suggestion to have it as a revote instead of just defaulting to a different plan, because it wouldn't have been fair to you or the other voters that an error like that would automatically lead to a failure without there being an opportunity to reassess and change things. I think your plan is a terrible idea as it stands and I've tried to convince people of that, but that's it. You can't even say it cost you all your votes, considering everyone who voted for your plan in the first place was pinged to do so again.
So it literally is just "more vehicles". I said before that I can understand the tedium point, but it is objectively limiting when we've got multiple different threat profiles to deal with. Normally we could throw 10, 20, or even all 30 of our Melta Guns to whoever has to fight traitor Space Marines, but if they're all pre-assigned then that's not possible.
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I did, actually. I just added the Stalkers in because you're so convinced they're important, even! I still think they're a waste of time personally, but who knows? Maybe I'll be proven wrong. And I didn't address your complaints earlier because of your blatant fear mongering.
And you suggesting a revote wasn't good faith. It was you pulling fast one while I was asleep, so that instead of me getting a chance to edit my plans like @ThunderOwl said he was going to let me, I wake up to find my plan's been discarded and I have to redo the entire vote from scratch.
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