What Primarch Worlds are closed to us?
Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)
- Thread starter Yzarc
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If we are talking finding them ourselves, we are in 831 now and the list goes:
| XVIIIth | Vulkan | Salamanders | Nocturne | 832.M30 |
| VIIth | Rogal Dorn | Imperial Fists | Inwit | 835.M30 |
| XIIIth | Roboute Guilliman | Ultramarines | Macragge | 837.M30 |
| XVth | Magnus the Red | Thousand Sons | Prospero | 840.M30 |
| IXth | Sanguinius | Blood Angels | Baal | 843.M30 |
| Ist | Lion El'Jonson | Dark Angels | Caliban | 846.M30 |
| IVth | Perturabo | Iron Warriors | Olympia | 849.M30 |
| XIVth | Mortarion | Death Guard | Barbarus | 854.M30 |
| XVIIth | Lorgar | Word Bearers | Colchis | 857.M30 |
| Vth | Jaghatai Khan | White Scars | Mundus Planus | 865.M30 |
| VIIIth | Konrad Curze | Night Lords | Nostramo | 896.M30 |
| XIIth | Angron | World Eaters | Nuceria | 899.M30 |
| XIXth | Corvus Corax | Raven Guard | Deliverance | 922.M30 |
| XIth | RECORDS REDACTED | RECORDS REDACTED | RECORDS REDACTED | RECORDS REDACTED |
| XXth | Alpharius Omegon | Alpha Legion | Unknown | 981.M30 |
Realistically we are not getting Vulkan Dorn or Guilliman and even Magnus is something of a reach, but someone like Angron he is in the Warp, if we could scoop him up he would never have to go to Nuceria.
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- Arcadia
As much as one would very dearly like to reach Magnus before the Emperor, yes, it might be pushing it. It remains to be seen.
As to Mortarion, any thoughts of finding him can be automatically dismissed. He will never be anything but a bitter enemy to this Lorgar.
Jonson may not be a vehement foe, but he can be dismissed for similar reasons, a monster clad in the trappings of a knight.
There is Corax. Do as asked by his alternate future self, and Lorgar will secure another friend for life amongst the other Primarchs.
As to Mortarion, any thoughts of finding him can be automatically dismissed. He will never be anything but a bitter enemy to this Lorgar.
Jonson may not be a vehement foe, but he can be dismissed for similar reasons, a monster clad in the trappings of a knight.
There is Corax. Do as asked by his alternate future self, and Lorgar will secure another friend for life amongst the other Primarchs.
[X] Go to space part of the quest
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- He/Him
[X] Keep building up the planet
- Location
- Eagan
[X] Keep building up the planet
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- Russia
I really wanted to build up the planet but the possibility of getting other Primarchs early swayed me
[X] Go to the Space Part of the Quest
Also Lorgar speed-running the uplift continues to be hillarious, can't wait for reactions from the rest of the family
[X] Go to the Space Part of the Quest
Also Lorgar speed-running the uplift continues to be hillarious, can't wait for reactions from the rest of the family
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- London
Guilliman: "Your realm is a credit to you Lorgar. It must have been difficult convincing such an advanced planet to follow your lead."
Lorgar: "Well I did help resurrect them. So that helped."
Guilliman: "Wut."
Lorgar: "Oh, and I helped create all of the industry with the help of the World Spirit."
Guilliman: "Wait, so your planet wasn't space capable when you got there?"
Lorgar: "Nope! It was a barren desert!"
Guilliman: "…Is this how people feel about me?"
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- Arcadia
Hm, with the continued speed run, one wonders if Lorgar will be considered the overachiever amongst the Primarchs, even more so than Guilliman.
I personaly want to stay on planet for now to avoid making worship even bigger problem: also QM question if we focus on planet will we get an alternative reward for those rolls?
[X] Keep building up the planet
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Not quite. Those were synergy rolls. Your reward was the elevator and the chance to build a manse.
Spoilers. Sorry. But they will have to be custome as there is little canon info on them.
Okay so we can spend permament magic bonus for headstart on the ring of iron
I mean not exactly, at least in my opinion. We don't have any primarchs that are really that close aside from Ferrus who lets be honest doesn't really need saving, Coholis is in galactic west close to the center while Olympia the closest traitor homeworld is on galactic edge. We won't get primarchs early without msking contact with Emperor first.
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- India
We are Exalted traveling through the (more fucked up than normal) Wyld. Distance is at best a suggestion to us as is direction.
It's not quite the Wyld or if it is it's some kind of strange wild Behavior because it does have anchor points and relations and real relations in material space. Though that is not dissimilar to waypoints in how you actually travel the Wyld in exalted but the idea is even at a really good clip or catching a good headwind you can't actually just appear on the other side of the Galaxy hell with a good enough headwind and a short enough distance you can appear before you left but you still need to travel the distance. But the longer the distance is the less likely you are too you know arrive before you left or even arrive to be honest.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Nothing stops you from building up both your planet and others. It is just that you no longer get any "special" advantages that are unique to your planet as everything going forward is shared.
So no more unique planetary events or advantages. But general uplift and tech is in the cards, even if you have maxed tech outside of DAoT findings and Men of Stone or what you/Thalassa build/design.
To highlight the importance of traveling to space now here is a full point:
- We had a deal with the soon-to-be Fabricator General of this region of space that he would only join us if we become an interstellar polity and once Big E reachs he will no longer join our side with "Sorry, your Daddy came with shinier toys, bigger guns and is apparently the Omnissiah so bye bye!" and we will lose a Forge World which could have been a massive bonus to our polity and no longer can make our own Tech Sect.
- Men Of Stone we may never get since that is Space part and we need remnants of Men of Stone from other worlds to recreate them and Big E would likely ban us from researching it with all "No AI" ban.
- No DAOT shinies for us and Big E until then would grab anything shiny and I don't mean just Superweapons but also anything that could help our economy and advance our technology they would be Imperial property not ours given to Mars Mechanicum and the superweapons and Men Of Stone remnants given to Lion and let's be honest we never gonna be friends with Lion and he wpuld see the caged Men of Stone as nothing but caged attack hounds like all his other imprisoned AIs.
- Possibly meeting other primarchs before big E found them, even just one would change the game to our advantage that is if it isn't Mortarion.
- We could also meet other xenos and those amicable could give us the bonus of xenotech and xeno science all will be lost once Big E reach by then the potential xeno allies either flee or get genocided.
- Perfection is the enemy of progress and no matter how progressive our world is, Big E would see it as another dot to join his empire and we won't have the same leniency as Guilliman due to not being an interstellar powerhouse and not having many worlds in our side.
- No more any special advantage over Big E.
- With only one planet Big E will see us as easy target and easily overwhelmed and he will command us or else to remove religions and spirituality to fit the "Imperial Truth" and any admission of divinity's existence, our Machine Spirits will be taken away and given to Mars Mechanicum or worss to be esnlaved to Imperial War Machine and experimented upon or caged in Vaults of Terra and Mars and our Spirits seeing as a threat to Imperial Truth and human supermacy will be hunted down or caged. If we refuse we likely be seeing something even worse than Monarchia.
- We had a deal with the soon-to-be Fabricator General of this region of space that he would only join us if we become an interstellar polity and once Big E reachs he will no longer join our side with "Sorry, your Daddy came with shinier toys, bigger guns and is apparently the Omnissiah so bye bye!" and we will lose a Forge World which could have been a massive bonus to our polity and no longer can make our own Tech Sect.
- Men Of Stone we may never get since that is Space part and we need remnants of Men of Stone from other worlds to recreate them and Big E would likely ban us from researching it with all "No AI" ban.
- No DAOT shinies for us and Big E until then would grab anything shiny and I don't mean just Superweapons but also anything that could help our economy and advance our technology they would be Imperial property not ours given to Mars Mechanicum and the superweapons and Men Of Stone remnants given to Lion and let's be honest we never gonna be friends with Lion and he wpuld see the caged Men of Stone as nothing but caged attack hounds like all his other imprisoned AIs.
- Possibly meeting other primarchs before big E found them, even just one would change the game to our advantage that is if it isn't Mortarion.
- We could also meet other xenos and those amicable could give us the bonus of xenotech and xeno science all will be lost once Big E reach by then the potential xeno allies either flee or get genocided.
- Perfection is the enemy of progress and no matter how progressive our world is, Big E would see it as another dot to join his empire and we won't have the same leniency as Guilliman due to not being an interstellar powerhouse and not having many worlds in our side.
- No more any special advantage over Big E.
- With only one planet Big E will see us as easy target and easily overwhelmed and he will command us or else to remove religions and spirituality to fit the "Imperial Truth" and any admission of divinity's existence, our Machine Spirits will be taken away and given to Mars Mechanicum or worss to be esnlaved to Imperial War Machine and experimented upon or caged in Vaults of Terra and Mars and our Spirits seeing as a threat to Imperial Truth and human supermacy will be hunted down or caged. If we refuse we likely be seeing something even worse than Monarchia.
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I do not think he would go that far. That is an excellent way to test out 'how lethal a weapon can the Defiler build and deliver?' and I do not think the Emperor wants to test that one. The odds of him being rendered down to cosmic dust would be significant.
The Emperor defeated a shard of Void Dragon in Medievel Times and he wasn't as powerful as today and Imperium has by this point has thousands of Worlds, trillions of Guardsmen and thousands of Legions with many Primarchs even if we have better tech than the rest of Impeeium it won't matter in the long run we will be overwhelmed by sheer quantity and even if we miraculously manage to kill Big E and every bloodthirsty Primarch we would essentialy make them Martyrs and the Imperium would only become even more hellbent in destroying us.
Big E gave Guilliman so much leniency even letting him keep a Cathric World because he had 500 worlds and was able to bleed the Great Crusade even if it would end in his defeat and Lion despite only having one world is loyal to the fault and Dorn had his own min empire before big E find him who also is a devoted loyalist if Big E cared about quality more than quantity he wouldn't give Magnus and Perturabo such a hard time.
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The circle does need as much leverage as possible; it is not in question. Without leverage, they cannot squeeze the Emperor as much as possible while yielding the minimum themselves. The Emperor will be seeking to do the same, so drive a hard bargain, play hardball, and all that.
Space marine heroes in canon defeat C'tan shards on the regular and all that Imperial-Whatsits isn't really worth much if we assassinate him with a Soul-Breaker Orb or or similar 'screw you and everything in your general direction' First Age tech.
The other advantage of assassinating someone with a Soul-Breaker Orb it does not leave witnesses that aren't insane ghosts.
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Hm, it is a question. Can such contingencies against the Emperor be prepared without... drawing unwanted attention?