What would readers prefer?

  • Pure narrative quest: no dice will be used, the author will have free reign to decide what happens.

    Votes: 25 59.5%
  • New dice system: the author will design a new, better dice system to add some randomness and risk.

    Votes: 17 40.5%

  • Total voters
    42
  • Poll closed .
[] You decide Melissa does make some good points. With the Empire seemingly trying to take everyone over, any division among the people who are inclined to oppose that (who seem to overlap remarkably well with the group who tend to like you and your manaketeness) would be bad. You'll have centuries to figure out how to best share the oneness of Sol Invictus and the Mother, no need to rush it.
I'm definitely leaning this. We have hundreds of years to steer delicate religious doctrine and when we're not at war.
 
[X] You decide Melissa does make some good points. With the Empire seemingly trying to take everyone over, any division among the people who are inclined to oppose that (who seem to overlap remarkably well with the group who tend to like you and your manaketeness) would be bad. You'll have centuries to figure out how to best share the oneness of Sol Invictus and the Mother, no need to rush it.

Yeah, better not rush that. We already have a nice confirmation to mainly help Ryza put the pieces together and getting more clues with this in mind.

[X] You all decide to return to Starhelm and regroup with the main army. You've done what you needed to do, and if there are any more Imperial scout groups the Solar Knights will deal with them. There is still a lot to do, and Artemis wants to be a part of the decisions of how to fight the war. You just want to stay with her and make sure she doesn't get hurt.

We already warned them, and our help will be needed elsewhere. Besides, if they should be capable to repel any attack now that they have been warned I believe.
 
[X] You decide Melissa does make some good points. With the Empire seemingly trying to take everyone over, any division among the people who are inclined to oppose that (who seem to overlap remarkably well with the group who tend to like you and your manaketeness) would be bad. You'll have centuries to figure out how to best share the oneness of Sol Invictus and the Mother, no need to rush it.

I'd like to be able to come back someday.

[X] You all decide to return to Starhelm and regroup with the main army. You've done what you needed to do, and if there are any more Imperial scout groups the Solar Knights will deal with them. There is still a lot to do, and Artemis wants to be a part of the decisions of how to fight the war. You just want to stay with her and make sure she doesn't get hurt.

I'm fine with the less aggro push as well but I think the Ambush has too many failure points.
 
-Sun-Father Goodier II
What kind of name is that!?

while it's still huge to your eyes (even after all this time since waking up, seeing constructions this big that didn't start life as a mountain is still incredible to you) you do notice that it's a bit smaller than Castle Agrithe or a similar Southern castle.
There should be a comma after that parenthesis.

"I think most do, but I was only there for a few days to get accredited, so I did absorbed much of the culture or anything like that."
"didn't"

"Sun-Father Leon was originally an Animist, but Sol Invictus chose him to be her first champion upon this world, and so she sent him a vision that compelled him to covert.
"convert"

You frown: it seems that hadn't worked out,
That colon should be a period, and that "it" should be "It".

you sense White magic flickering about the statue: either it's enchanted,
That colon should also be something else, but I'm not sure if it's a period, a comma or a semi-colon. If it's a period, then that "either" should be "Either".

"But White manakete small, feather-like scales on their wings…"
I'm pretty sure there should be a "have" in here.

You'd brought along the copy of A Nation United, which you'd brought along specifically in case something like this came up.
This is repetitive. I recommend removing the "which you'd brought along" as well as the comma.

she wanted to create a place where human and manakete could live
Pretty sure this should be "humans", plural.

"There was a time when human and manakete lived together in peace…"
Pretty sure this should also be "humans", plural.

why had manakete started killing human?
Once again, pretty sure this should be "humans", plural.

(or hinting at the embarrassing parts and then being forced to explain them when someone asked.)
The punctuation should be after the parenthesis.

While it's unlikely they would have been able to send an army sufficient to hold the castle long-term, but the chaos and confusion they would have generated
One of these is redundant. I recommend removing the "but".
 
-Sun-Father Goodier II
Even goodier than the first, I imagine.

She does manage to lose your "escort" on the way by ducking through a few smaller corridors and hiding behind some big potted plants, which was kind of fun.
I wonder how Kelton managed. Belle's a natural, but Kelton is...friendly, unsubtle, and heavily armored.
The first thing that comes to mind is Kelton getting caught, but convincing the escort that the girls went that way.

As your eyes trace down the statue, you freeze as you see the bottom. "Mother, are those…" you whisper, pushing past Melissa to kneel at the foot of the statue, your fingers tracing along the feathered wings of one of the many children crowded around Sol Invictus's feet. "Are… are these manakete?!"

"I… I don't think so," Melissa says, joining you on the ground. "Those are angels, the other servants of Sol Invictus aside from Light Spirits." She gives you an odd look. "I mean, I know they have wings like you, but your wings look more like wyvern wings rather than the bird wings angels have-"

Shaking your head, you extend your wings. "Most manakete have wings like this, yes," you say quickly. "But White manakete small, feather-like scales on their wings…" You can tell that the feathers carved on this statue are intended to be genuine feathers, but you chalk that up to simple error. "This area was the home of the White tribe, and Solariana's Union was also here… I think that angels are just the modern human name for White manakete!"

Melissa blinked, staring between you and the statue. "… huh…" she says slowly, sitting back on her heels.
Ryza: "I'm not saying they're manakete, but they're manakete."

"It's just… I don't want to distract from all the wonderful, amazing things in this scroll, all the things that will help people like and understand you more, by giving reactionaries an excuse to say nasty things about you and try to turn people against you as some sort of heretic." She grimaces. "Heretics… well, they don't do too well in the Divine Realm…"
Oh. That's ominous.


I'm definitely leaning this. We have hundreds of years to steer delicate religious doctrine and when we're not at war.
It's definitely the smart choice, and probably one Ryza would accept after thinking it over a while. It would probably feel like lying to her, though.


What kind of name is that!?
Quick Google search:
Article:
The name Goodier reached England in the great wave of migration following the Norman Conquest of 1066. It is based on the given names Gudhir, or Gudvar, which were popular medieval names of Germanic origin.
Another source notes that the name could have originated from the Middle English goodyeare, goodier, goodere, goodye(e)re meaning 'good year', as in "an expletive used in questions, 'What the good year?' Possibly elliptic for 'as I hope to have a good year' "



[X] You decide Melissa does make some good points. With the Empire seemingly trying to take everyone over, any division among the people who are inclined to oppose that (who seem to overlap remarkably well with the group who tend to like you and your manaketeness) would be bad. You'll have centuries to figure out how to best share the oneness of Sol Invictus and the Mother, no need to rush it.
No strong opinion on the army plan, as long as we don't try to bait the Imperials into attacking the Divine Realm as a trap.
 
[X] You decide Melissa does make some good points. With the Empire seemingly trying to take everyone over, any division among the people who are inclined to oppose that (who seem to overlap remarkably well with the group who tend to like you and your manaketeness) would be bad. You'll have centuries to figure out how to best share the oneness of Sol Invictus and the Mother, no need to rush it.

[X] You all decide to return to Starhelm and regroup with the main army. You've done what you needed to do, and if there are any more Imperial scout groups the Solar Knights will deal with them. There is still a lot to do, and Artemis wants to be a part of the decisions of how to fight the war. You just want to stay with her and make sure she doesn't get hurt.
 
[X] You decide Melissa does make some good points. With the Empire seemingly trying to take everyone over, any division among the people who are inclined to oppose that (who seem to overlap remarkably well with the group who tend to like you and your manaketeness) would be bad. You'll have centuries to figure out how to best share the oneness of Sol Invictus and the Mother, no need to rush it.

[X] You all decide to return to Starhelm and regroup with the main army. You've done what you needed to do, and if there are any more Imperial scout groups the Solar Knights will deal with them. There is still a lot to do, and Artemis wants to be a part of the decisions of how to fight the war. You just want to stay with her and make sure she doesn't get hurt.

There's a time to jump in, go ham, and get shit done. This ain't it.
 
[X] You decide Melissa does make some good points. With the Empire seemingly trying to take everyone over, any division among the people who are inclined to oppose that (who seem to overlap remarkably well with the group who tend to like you and your manaketeness) would be bad. You'll have centuries to figure out how to best share the oneness of Sol Invictus and the Mother, no need to rush it.

[X] You all decide to return to Starhelm and regroup with the main army. You've done what you needed to do, and if there are any more Imperial scout groups the Solar Knights will deal with them. There is still a lot to do, and Artemis wants to be a part of the decisions of how to fight the war. You just want to stay with her and make sure she doesn't get hurt.
 
You'd brought along the copy of A Nation United specifically in case something like this came up, after all.
The underscore is continuing slightly past the word here.

why had manakete started killing human?
This instance of "human" is still singular, even though you changed the other ones I pointed out to "humans", plural.

[X] You all decide to return to Starhelm and regroup with the main army. You've done what you needed to do, and if there are any more Imperial scout groups the Solar Knights will deal with them. There is still a lot to do, and Artemis wants to be a part of the decisions of how to fight the war. You just want to stay with her and make sure she doesn't get hurt.
 
[X] You decide Melissa does make some good points. With the Empire seemingly trying to take everyone over, any division among the people who are inclined to oppose that (who seem to overlap remarkably well with the group who tend to like you and your manaketeness) would be bad. You'll have centuries to figure out how to best share the oneness of Sol Invictus and the Mother, no need to rush it.

[X] You all decide to return to Starhelm and regroup with the main army. You've done what you needed to do, and if there are any more Imperial scout groups the Solar Knights will deal with them. There is still a lot to do, and Artemis wants to be a part of the decisions of how to fight the war. You just want to stay with her and make sure she doesn't get hurt.

I'm pretty sure we're in a reasonably solid position war-wise. No need for drastic plucky daring heroic gambles at this point.
 
For what it's worth... Ryza staying silent only delays the problem, it doesn't actually resolve it. It's entirely feasible, that any revisionist looking at the same evidence as Ryza, develops and shares a similar theory. We should at least be up front about that, I feel.
 
For what it's worth... Ryza staying silent only delays the problem, it doesn't actually resolve it. It's entirely feasible, that any revisionist looking at the same evidence as Ryza, develops and shares a similar theory. We should at least be up front about that, I feel.
I think the opposite honestly. Others naturally and organically putting the pieces together would imo be a better outcome than Ryza showing up out of nowhere going "your religion is actually my religion". Which I guess worked for the Romans but Ryza doesn't exactly have the skill, finesse or experience to mitigate teething issues.

Though yeah it's a problem either way. But time and place.
 
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I think the opposite honestly. Others naturally and organically putting the pieces together would imo be a better outcome than Ryza showing up out of nowhere going "your religion is actually my religion". Which I guess worked for the Romans but Ryza doesn't exactly have the skill, finesse or experience to mitigate teething issues.

Though yeah it's a problem either way. But time and place.
I do agree that it would be less of a problem, yeah. I'm just of the opinion that if it's going to be a problem either way, we should at least point that out to her.
 
@SoaringHawk218
I kinda dislike both options on how Ryza should deal with theological issues, simply because it comes off as if Ryza is making the decision more or less unilaterally, having only consulted one junior priestess.

Can we write-in an addition to the wait option about consulting with someone more senior and further along the path than Melissa?
I for one, would love to get into contact with Father Simon and discuss the issue further with him. He was cool.
And, well, it feels churlish to me not to also discuss it with Melissa's mother.
 
I do agree that it would be less of a problem, yeah. I'm just of the opinion that if it's going to be a problem either way, we should at least point that out to her.
Eh, I guess? But I don't get the sense that Melissa thinks it won't be a problem. She seems kinda worried about it.

To me, the first option seems like Ryza trying to actively push Sol-Mother syncretism, while the second seems like her not doing that, and putting off theological questions into the indefinite future. Something to argue about when she needs a break from figuring out a way to let humans use magic without exploiting old dragonstones.
 
[X] You decide Melissa does make some good points. With the Empire seemingly trying to take everyone over, any division among the people who are inclined to oppose that (who seem to overlap remarkably well with the group who tend to like you and your manaketeness) would be bad. You'll have centuries to figure out how to best share the oneness of Sol Invictus and the Mother, no need to rush it.
-[X] That said, both you and Melissa are entirely too wet behind the ears and lacking in knowledge to do more than make vague guesses. The Mother/Sol combined Hearth to the Dragon, exactly to give temperance and sensibility to her children. And the temperate and sensible option would be to consult, if not older, then at least more experienced and wiser heads than your own. People like Melissa's mother, or aunt, or that charming abbot Father Simon.
 
[X] You decide Melissa does make some good points. With the Empire seemingly trying to take everyone over, any division among the people who are inclined to oppose that (who seem to overlap remarkably well with the group who tend to like you and your manaketeness) would be bad. You'll have centuries to figure out how to best share the oneness of Sol Invictus and the Mother, no need to rush it.
-[X] That said, both you and Melissa are entirely too wet behind the ears and lacking in knowledge to do more than make vague guesses. The Mother/Sol combined Hearth to the Dragon, exactly to give temperance and sensibility to her children. And the temperate and sensible option would be to consult, if not older, then at least more experienced and wiser heads than your own. People like Melissa's mother, or aunt, or that charming abbot Father Simon.
 
It seems very optimistic to assume this matter will never come up again if we don't mention it. Basing our relationship with the Divine Realm on a major secret seems ill-advised and could come back to haunt us at a very bad moment. I'll concede it seems like a major distraction when we're preparing for a war, however, and I do believe in practicality. Between the two original options I'd vote to tell people about it, but I'll agree to the write-in because it isn't fully keeping it secret and plants the seeds for revealing that information later.

[X] You decide Melissa does make some good points. With the Empire seemingly trying to take everyone over, any division among the people who are inclined to oppose that (who seem to overlap remarkably well with the group who tend to like you and your manaketeness) would be bad. You'll have centuries to figure out how to best share the oneness of Sol Invictus and the Mother, no need to rush it.
-[X] That said, both you and Melissa are entirely too wet behind the ears and lacking in knowledge to do more than make vague guesses. The mother/Sol combined Hearth to the Dragon, exactly to give temperance and sensibility to her children. And the temperate and sensible option would be to consult, if not older, then at least more experienced and wiser heads than your own. People like Melissa's mother, or aunt, or that charming abbot Father Simon.

[X] You all decide to return to Starhelm and regroup with the main army. You've done what you needed to do, and if there are any more Imperial scout groups the Solar Knights will deal with them. There is still a lot to do, and Artemis wants to be a part of the decisions of how to fight the war. You just want to stay with her and make sure she doesn't get hurt.
 
[X] You decide Melissa does make some good points. With the Empire seemingly trying to take everyone over, any division among the people who are inclined to oppose that (who seem to overlap remarkably well with the group who tend to like you and your manaketeness) would be bad. You'll have centuries to figure out how to best share the oneness of Sol Invictus and the Mother, no need to rush it.
-[X] That said, both you and Melissa are entirely too wet behind the ears and lacking in knowledge to do more than make vague guesses. The mother/Sol combined Hearth to the Dragon, exactly to give temperance and sensibility to her children. And the temperate and sensible option would be to consult, if not older, then at least more experienced and wiser heads than your own. People like Melissa's mother, or aunt, or that charming abbot Father Simon.
 
[X] You decide Melissa does make some good points. With the Empire seemingly trying to take everyone over, any division among the people who are inclined to oppose that (who seem to overlap remarkably well with the group who tend to like you and your manaketeness) would be bad. You'll have centuries to figure out how to best share the oneness of Sol Invictus and the Mother, no need to rush it.

Ryza's very long-lived and this isn't urgent. It can wait.

[X] You all decide to return to Starhelm and regroup with the main army. You've done what you needed to do, and if there are any more Imperial scout groups the Solar Knights will deal with them. There is still a lot to do, and Artemis wants to be a part of the decisions of how to fight the war. You just want to stay with her and make sure she doesn't get hurt.

Best to slip away and let them waste time, supplies, and morale wondering what happened to the intended attack, in my opinion. If we attack them, we remove all doubt that the plan has failed; if we just leave, they'll have to wait until whatever spies they have can confirm it.
 
[X] You decide Melissa does make some good points. With the Empire seemingly trying to take everyone over, any division among the people who are inclined to oppose that (who seem to overlap remarkably well with the group who tend to like you and your manaketeness) would be bad. You'll have centuries to figure out how to best share the oneness of Sol Invictus and the Mother, no need to rush it.
-[X] That said, both you and Melissa are entirely too wet behind the ears and lacking in knowledge to do more than make vague guesses. The mother/Sol combined Hearth to the Dragon, exactly to give temperance and sensibility to her children. And the temperate and sensible option would be to consult, if not older, then at least more experienced and wiser heads than your own. People like Melissa's mother, or aunt, or that charming abbot Father Simon.
 
[X] You decide you're not going to hide parts of your people's history just to make some humans more comfortable. The evidence points towards The First Mother and Sol Invictus being one and the same, and after any initial issues you're sure that knowledge will improve relations between human and manakete going forwards. After all, the Empire is mostly okay with Sol Invictus, so surely they'd be okay with her first children too.

[X] You all decide on a very risky move: try to bait the Imperial force that had been planning on going to take Hornglade into carrying through with its mission. This will take some doing, as you don't have a complete understanding of the signals and signs the scouting force had been using, but Artemis thinks it's possible they could be diverted into an ambush on the Northern Kingdom side of the border. This would give the united armies a chance to deal a meaningful blow to the Imperial host if it works, but if it doesn't, you could either fail to lure them out, or accidentally engage them in the Divine Realm, something that would severely irritate Mother Marina and other Solar Knights.

What if we risked everything and then just rolled sixes back to back?
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But in all seriousness I think we should consider at least the bolded portion of the religious vote:
[] You decide you're not going to hide parts of your people's history just to make some humans more comfortable. The evidence points towards The First Mother and Sol Invictus being one and the same, and after any initial issues you're sure that knowledge will improve relations between human and manakete going forwards. After all, the Empire is mostly okay with Sol Invictus, so surely they'd be okay with her first children too.
If there are more manakete in hiding (and so far we're suspecting at least three others, right?) then should this vote go well, it could affect their willingness to trust humans and/or come out of hiding. After all, the need to hide everything about the past and suppress their own culture would probably weight heavily on a white manakete in hiding. But should they have definite proof that these problems can be overcome then maybe it will help moving forward. Of course, it's a risk. But who can say what the rewards might be?
 
I'd say the reason the choice chafes at me a bit is that I'm not entirely sure it makes sense for Ryza to conflate "her people's history" with Lacroix's "Mother = Sol" theory the way the wording of the "tell everything" option words it.

The way I see it, Ryza more-or-less has three categories of information: Stuff she knows first-hand and/or was taught by her parents (most of what she explains to people), stuff she has discovered on her own but has concrete evidence supporting it (The Union, evidence being the scroll. Still would rank as a lower tier of certainty though I imagine), and finally stuff she's theorized given the information she has (Such as the Mother/Sol theory. Even if Ryza herself is pretty sure on it being true I'd think she'd recognize the difference between a hypothesis and the former categories.) The way I see it she can be completely open about the first two categories and be selective on when and where she raises her own personal theories and it wouldn't be hiding the history of manaketes. Not that Melissa is the best example case but, for instance, she was fine hearing the first two pieces of information and that seems... fine to me? Like that's the stuff Ryza can basically prove.

Certainly, in academic settings or with Revisionists she can raise theories and hypotheses she's developed but I feel like if the second option where Ryza decides to hide some things to have things go smoothly... what exactly does that entail? Lacroix came up with that theory based on the same information - more or less - that Ryza just gave Melissa. If the intent behind that choice is essentially "avoid disclosing information that could lead to people reaching that conclusion themselves because it could be an issue" I feel like at a minimum that means she can no longer share the Union story (which is arguably too late at this point) because... people are going to notice - they have already noticed. It feels like trying to close a box (being open with the Revisionists and about her nature in general) that we opened a long time ago and that would be feel a bit out-of-character to try and shut now.

[X] You decide you're not going to hide parts of your people's history just to make some humans more comfortable. The evidence points towards The First Mother and Sol Invictus being one and the same, and after any initial issues you're sure that knowledge will improve relations between human and manakete going forwards. After all, the Empire is mostly okay with Sol Invictus, so surely they'd be okay with her first children too.

[X] You all decide to return to Starhelm and regroup with the main army. You've done what you needed to do, and if there are any more Imperial scout groups the Solar Knights will deal with them. There is still a lot to do, and Artemis wants to be a part of the decisions of how to fight the war. You just want to stay with her and make sure she doesn't get hurt.
 
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