From a pragmatic point of view - how do you create a species-wide miracle to mend these literally millenia-old traumas? And prevent a relapse? Would the result still be SLs? Is it more ethical than killing all of them, and if so, under which ethical framework?
If we get lucky, we can find a way to convince a majority of Shiplords to get the Authority to stand down, and then get the people who actively crafted/supported (as opposed to "couldn't find a sufficiently persuasive argument to get it stopped") this policy to go into indefinite therapy, and refrain from political engagement until they are deemed "rehabilitated".
We don't need an immediate fix for their mental state, just "fixed enough to stop making things worse".

Also,
[X] Yes
 
And that must be one of the easy three steps: after we manage to get the SL to understand that, they will also understand that their few thousand genocides were unnecessary, especially as they monitor a lot (all) of this galaxy and a sudden 'race pops up that gobbles up neighbours and creates an evil Uninvolved before anybody can do anything' cannot happen anymore. How will we handle that before it comes to mass suicides among the SL?
On some level, I cannot help but say that mass suicides among the Shiplords are a Shiplord problem to worry about.

It's one thing to be compassionate and try to save people from external destruction, or prevent the physical destruction of galactic space so that future generations thousands of years from now have places to live.

It's another thing to try and shelter people from their own understanding of their own actions, and whatever the consequences of that understanding are. Among other things because it's absolutely essential to ram this understanding home if we are to avoid some future re-re-repeat of Galaxy War N+1.
 
I will say that Menders seem equally capable of healing mental ills as they do physical. The problem would be a matter of scale and consent.
 
Trailblazers
Humanity had once looked to the dark between the stars as a place of wonder, the emptiness beckoning and calling like the great oceans had in your people's antiquity. The early exploration missions had, in fact, spent a great deal of time there. Part of that had been the result of the incredibly crude stardrives pre-Sorrows humanity had been restricted to, but part had also been that simple curiosity.

Then the Shiplords had come. Humanity had possessed several small extrasolar exploration groups at the time, but not one of them had ever made it home. And in their parting orders, the Shiplords had laid down a fierce warning against entering the space between stars. It had only been in the last few weeks, at the Second Sorrow, that you'd learnt the truth of that warning. Just one more lying chain among the scores the Shiplords used to control the galaxy.

"First-wave results are starting to come through," Mary noted from her station. Her fingers were unusually still, all her focus on the data trickling in from the Trailblazer packages you'd launched over the last day.

With your Shiplord IDs blown at worst and under sudden intense scrutiny at best, it had felt safer to fall back on the methods that the Adamant had first been equipped to support. Which was why the Adamant was ghosting through interstellar space a few short lightyears from the edge of the Consolat home system, hidden in the mass shadow of a roaming comet. You'd had no up-to-date information to work with, and so had erred on the side of caution.

And there, the choices you'd made what felt like half a lifetime ago during the Adamant's fitting-out had come back to grace you.

Long-Range Scans: 44 + 36 (Mary Learning) + 15 (Trailblazer Scansats) = 95 vs 40/60/90. Highest quality survey data obtained.

The expanded nanoforge you'd seen built into the ship had maintained all of its systems, barring the core of the FTL drive, without fail throughout your infiltrations. Now, it was finally able to be turned to one of the purposes for which it had been made. Trailblazer systems had been created to aid humanity's covert return to the stars beyond Sol. Now it helped do so for a star far further from your home than the designers could have imagined.

"What are we looking at?" you asked Mary. It was an act of making conversation, but not a poor one. Anyone could look at a star system. Not everyone would be able to make sense of what they saw.

"Two asteroid belts, six planets, one of them a gas giant with what looks to be a major moon system," Mary rattled off. A projection populated as she spoke, the pale light of the system's yellow star already present at the centre. "Most of them aren't all that important though. The one we're after is planet two."

The system map zoomed down until that world filled it. It was firmly in the goldilocks zone, and the combined imaging capacity of the Trailblazer systems had given more than enough data to confirm the presence of life. It was a remarkably pretty world from this distance - a painted orb of blue, white and green in a way that seemed remarkably similar to Earth. There were just a few notable differences.

This world was, for all its life, devoid of any major population of sentients despite the sprawling city-complexes scattered across its continents. Flora had grown up through the buildings in some places, but the process of swallowing them whole seemed still far from complete.

"They must have some truly impressive maintenance systems," you murmured. You felt the attention of the room flick to you, and shook your head, pulling up a few of the first detailed images of the empty Consolat cities.

"Look," you went on. You made a few adjustments to the image and the outlines of several buildings glowed with gentle blue light. "The plant life's made it all the way up to the buildings, into them in some cases. But most of the structures are still standing, with no sign of major damage. Something has to be restraining the planetary fauna, something that's still active even millions of years later."

"Or the Shiplords have been maintaining the systems," Jane Cyneburg pointed out. "We'll have to wait on the full analysis, or landing parties, to be sure."

You reminded yourself that the Adamant's Captain had been a first-wave Trailblazer officer before being fingered for this mission. As a result, she'd benefited from a far more in-depth education on certain carefully-picked subjects than most FSN officers ever would. One of them had been covert survey operations.

"How likely do you think the second will be?" you asked. It was an important question, though maybe asked a little too early. You felt more than heard the sigh of your Unison.

Jane just shrugged. "It's impossible to say at this point. We'll need the full scan analysis first, and that's going to take time. Even with Iris and the Lagless core. We, well-"

"We only get one shot at this," you finished with a nod. "I know. I understand."

"But you wish we could know right now," Jane replied knowingly. "It's the burden of command. I'm just quite happy that this one's yours, Amanda. Looking after the Adamant, that I'm good at. Making decisions that could directly affect our entire species? That's more your speed, I think."

Her tone was light, but there was a thread of steady calm spun through it. And why would there be? She was right. You could feel it even this far out, a subtle divergence in the shape of reality, centred on the Consolat's once-homeworld. For you to be able to feel even that much, lightyears from the system's heart, spoke of something impossibly vast having happened here. Though if what the Last Memory had told you was true, something impossibly vast had happened here.

Carving loopholes into reality with the death of your entire species didn't strike you as something that could be done quietly. Not to the senses you and the other Potentials aboard the Adamant possessed. And especially when there was no system shell. Yet the odd, soulspace-adjacent nature of those creations had been, you assumed, how the Shiplords had hidden the Sorrows from the Uninvolved. And that raised a question: how had the Uninvolved missed it?

A difficult question, but one you didn't have any good way to answer right now.

System Analysis: 68 + 33 (Iris Learning) + 20 (Lagless Computing Core) + 15 (Trailblazer Survey Protocols) = 136 vs 50/80/120. Flawless analysis of survey data.

Iris wasn't physically on the bridge, but your daughter was certainly present. The Adamant's upgraded computing core had been fully opened to her needs, and the steadily populating imagery all around you was only the most obvious example of her presence. You could feel the weight and complexity of the data pouring across her mind, the full sweep of the recon sat data flowing slowly together into a cohesive whole.

Data management like this had been a core function of the program that had eventually birthed your daughter into the world, and she'd never lost the knack. It flooded in, a sheer depth of the data that the analysis team would have taken days or weeks to parse fully, and now didn't have to. With Iris and the Lagless core, all they had to do was run spot-checks on the results.

Part of you wanted to give Elil and Vega the chance to look at the data, but you weren't sure if the risk was worth it. They were both exceptional in the field of data processing, but they were also key parts of the Adamant's stealth systems. You could pull away one of them with relatively little concern thanks to the small Harmonial working group aboard, which would give them something to do after being largely reduced to shoring up the harmony of the Adamant and her crew.

There shouldn't be any observation platforms this far out, and your stealth systems should be entirely capable of handling any that might be there. The question was, should you risk it? You were sensitive to Practice in ways no other Potential was, but the feather-light presence of that second world didn't feel quite like Practice as you knew it. Similar, yes. The same? No.

Trying to understand it from this distance was something to which Insight or Harmony was far better suited. Though it did raise a concern of what might happen if they looked too deep. Vega was very good at creating Miracles, but that was sometimes a double-edged sword. She couldn't always stop herself.

So.

One of Vega or Elil can be substituted by the Accord of Harmonials to investigate the survey data and try to begin examining the odd presence to the star system. Pulling both off the stealth gear is also acceptable, but could leave you vulnerable to an extended sensor net - assuming one exists.
[] Elil
[] Vega
[] Both
[] No
[] Write-in? You cannot cycle Elil and Vega for the purposes of this decision.


Elil: A skilled analyst, like almost all Insight-Focused. Likely to provide clues or pointers, but little more than that. Should be fully capable of restraining a Miracle, especially with the support of the rest of the Heartcircle.

Vega: The most powerful Harmonial in existence, her ability to bring things together into a cohesive whole is essentially unmatched. More likely to provide information on the nature of the change around you and how to work with or through it. Might be able to restrain a Miracle with support from the rest of the Heartcircle, but also rolls against a lower breakpoint to trigger one.

Both: Putting Elil and Vega together on this is almost certain to pinpoint any hypothetical source point for the Consolat's sacrifice, with a good chance to provide some initial understanding on how to work with the Practice-like presence around the system. Vega Miracle breakpoints will apply and will be rather difficult to prevent. Any Miracle is going to be loud.
 
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Thanks to @Coda and @Baughn as always for their beta work - and to GPT4 I guess for some of what Baughn had to say :V
Short update, I know, but it's where the vote landed. Welcome to the Origin.

Oh right, and vote closed for the last update. Shockingly enough, it was a landslide.
I was not, in fact, shocked.
Adhoc vote count started by Snowfire on Oct 17, 2023 at 4:45 PM, finished with 38 posts and 19 votes.
 
Do we really want to risk commiting the equivalent of a terrorist bombing at the most sacred shrine of the Shiplords?

[X] Elil
I guess the trend of non-SV behaviour will continue :p

More seriously, I could see the validity of a vote for Vega. Both is very much going all-in for not triggering a Miracle, which isn't that likely but also...my dice.
 
[X] Elil

The problem with Vega was the reaction of
'How dare you use that gift and persist' and it was basically smashing the blinking red 'do not touch!' BERZERK button with a hammer in terms of intensity, and it's…
The Shiplords fear internal types because they're bad at it, they spend so much effort ensuring they stay responsible about their powers they scar themselves into only going nuts when that kind of power rears its head…
Irony of ironies, is they inflict this trauma on themselves and deny all comfort thinking that they must not fail when..:
Denying themselves the comfort means they take it seriously but also they are garunteed to go full flight or fight response-either kill the threat or get away.
But some weapons cannot be run from…So they MUST destroy it, and on top of that do all kinds of other things to ensure success, if it means being cruel then so be it, and better a thousand lights snuffed out before their time then the universe be destroyed…
And so the knife in their head twists, and with it their heads. And thus the shape of what they do to others. No privacy, the Shiplords are watching. No trusting and community, lest that community rise against the Shiplords or the Universe they protect.
No happiness in exploring, lest they find something the Shiplords cannot deal with…
 
[Joke] Both, and tell Vega to go full HAM

Subtlety? What does that taste like? :p

[X] Elil
 
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I wouldn't wonder if the SL have established anything they can to safeguard that system - unobtrusively.
The question is not does the star system have a sensor net. The question is did the Shiplords extend the sensor net out several lightyears from the system's edge, far enough to have a chance to detect you if you compromise your stealth systems.
 
The question is not does the star system have a sensor net. The question is did the Shiplords extend the sensor net out several lightyears from the system's edge, far enough to have a chance to detect you if you compromise your stealth systems.
Given millions of years to build, effectively unlimited material resources in the context of a stagnant population, and this system being at the center of every piece of Shiplord crazy, including and especially the prevalent crazy of the elders who remember the Consolat and seem to still be in charge... gonna guess "yes, yes they do. :p "

[X] Elil

Besides, the Peace guy sounds like a good choice right now, given our intentions.
 
o_O :wtf:No.🤮

To be clear @Snowfire this is not directed at your story post, it is directed at almost everything below it. I'm not voting on this one.
 
Given millions of years to build, effectively unlimited material resources in the context of a stagnant population, and this system being at the center of every piece of Shiplord crazy, including and especially the prevalent crazy of the elders who remember the Consolat and seem to still be in charge... gonna guess "yes, yes they do. :p "

Besides, the Peace guy sounds like a good choice right now, given our intentions.
Ah, this is on me I think for my very...um...questionable update pace. Elil is your Heartcircle's Insight Focused. Mir is your Peace-Focused, and kinda...not an analyst :p

Edit: If Elil hits 10 votes with no other votes for different options I'll close this vote.
 
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