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The Lost Primarch Quest

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  • Vigilance

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[] Plan Essentials
-[] Warp Genetics – Advanced (0/1 DC10) [1 year]
-[] Thunder Warriors Genome – Grandmaster (2/4) [2 years]
-[] Soul Makeup – Master [3 years]
-[] Void Shield Possible Mass Upgrade – Grandmaster (3/4) (DC 20) [1 year]
-[] Master Understanding of Cultist Behavior - Master (1/3) [2 years]
--[] If Thunder Warriors Genome needs 2 more actions to finish, cancel these actions and use them for Thunder Warriors Genome
-[] Advanced Cultist Countermeasures - Master (2/3) [1 year]
--[] If Thunder Warriors Genome needs 1 more action to finish, cancel this action and use it for Thunder Warriors Genome.
---[] If Thunder Warriors Genome needs 3 more actions to finish, cancel this action along with Master Understanding of Cultist Behavior and use it for Thunder Warriors Genome
-[] Lion - The Primarch of the Dark Angels has requested a meeting with Kesar on Terra. He has not said what the meeting was for, but has indicated he considers this meeting to be rather urgent.
-[] Magnus - The Cyclops has clearly been through a lot, and is still teaching Kesar how to use his psychic abilities. It may be worthwhile to take some time out of the day to just talk with him about how he feels.
-[] Vulkan - The Lord of Drakes has sent a rather stern letter saying he needs to talk. He wants to know just how many of the Primarchs have gotten involved with the Eldar, and he is sure that Kesar is one of them. It will likely be necessary to discuss this with him.
-[] Horus - As Horus is going to be one of the three Primarchs presenting the demands to Malcador, it would be useful to invite him for a one-on-one discussion. And due to recent events, that discussion may cover more than one topic. Also, it's likely to be helpful if you tell him what the Emperor has agreed to in person rather than through a letter.
-[] The Presentation - While delayed, Vulkan and Horus are planning to present their demands to Malcador. Kesar has also been invited, and he does feel like he should attend. But with his struggles to control his psychic power and recent events, he could skip this if he wished.

Basically get as many short term techs as possible without cutting out any socials. I'm open to feedback or suggestions if anyone has them.
 
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The presentation have a lot of reasons for it

but it arguably boils down to Kesar's unique position of not actually being against anyone in terms of 'being on someones side'

He has common cause with all parties involved and is the most invested in not only seeing the presentation go through, go through well, but also to see it be the foundation for reconciliation between the parties and a genuine effort to mend the rift and get everyone working together.
 
Agree, Kesar has a unique position in that he has no real enemies among Primarch. Lion and Dorn may dislike him but it is not due to his character. With him, reconciliation might be possible. Tbh, he fulfil the role Lorgar would have been if he never went to Chaos. The peacemaker among the Imperial courts. He has tge best shot at this so let's go for it but we need to prepare.
 
I just had a great idea.

@Daemon Hunter , you said we can take Research Actions on more than just what's on the list. We could use them for whatever we think of, from researching how Epitaph (Kesar's sword) might have changed or functions as his psychic focus to researching stuff commissioned by Kelbor-Hal in-exchange for goodies for our domain.

But since we've collaborated with research before with him (getting the Artificial Warp Rifts tech), how he is one of the absolute best in Warp and Warp-tech research, how he is a very well-experienced psyker and how he's gonna be with Kesar for at least a little while longer, and given how you posted a (now certainly outdated) tech tree for him...

...Can we research stuff for Magnus the Red?
 
So here's a question, how can Kesar improve on the Thunder Warriors and how good will his Custodes be since he's lacking in the materials that Emperor uses to supply his Custodes?
 
Ok I'm confused. Is the rune world done? Because it's not on here, except in the form of one of the socials mentioning funding? What's going on?

Blazblade said:
So here's a question, how can Kesar improve on the Thunder Warriors and how good will his Custodes be since he's lacking in the materials that Emperor uses to supply his Custodes?
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I'm pretty sure that research is Kesar researching how the emporer made them, and the disciplines involved, not just churning out his own copies. More likely it will give us insights and options for improving our legion or attending to other projects like the improved soldier project mentioned in the socials.
 
JAMalam said:
So here was some discussion about being able to start researching teleporter safety this turn, but as it is not on the list of available techs, do we need to meet Eli this turn to make that available @Daemon Hunter ?
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You'd need to meet Eli for the research to open up.

TinyGladiator said:
I just had a great idea.

@Daemon Hunter , you said we can take Research Actions on more than just what's on the list. We could use them for whatever we think of, from researching how Epitaph (Kesar's sword) might have changed or functions as his psychic focus to researching stuff commissioned by Kelbor-Hal in-exchange for goodies for our domain.

But since we've collaborated with research before with him (getting the Artificial Warp Rifts tech), how he is one of the absolute best in Warp and Warp-tech research, how he is a very well-experienced psyker and how he's gonna be with Kesar for at least a little while longer, and given how you posted a (now certainly outdated) tech tree for him...

...Can we research stuff for Magnus the Red?
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You can yes.
 
Daemon Hunter said:
You'd need to meet Eli for the research to open up.
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With this in mind, I have a new plan than the one I made here.

[] Plan: To Build A Better Future, with Teleporters.
-[] Warp Genetics x1
-[] Thunder Warriors Genome x2 (to x4 if needed)
-[] Master Understanding of Cultist Behavior x2
-[] Advanced Cultist Countermeasures x1
-[] Cultist Rituals x1
-[] Void Shield Possible Mass Upgrade x1
-[] You'll help Magnus with his own research x1 to x2 (Discard if needed for Thunder Warriors Genome)
-[] Lion
-[] Vulkan
-[] The Presentation
-[] Horus
-[] Eli

Here's my reasoning for the changes, we need to social Eli if we want to gain the ability to get the biggest game-changing things Kesar Dorlin can do ever, which coincidentally is something that is hampered only by the fact that we just need a little funding and support for it. We can get it right next turn. What is it? It's none other than this research:

Teleportation Safety.

We could fight Knights and Titans by taking them over from within after weakening their shields, teleporting squads straight there to shoot or subdue pilots and crew and take them intact without much cost. We could teleport directly onto ships once we weaken their shields too, and do the same thing as we do with Knights and Titans. We could teleport directly into a fortress and take it over in a way that is orders of magnitude easier and safer, no matter how well-defended it normally is, just as Kesar Dorlin and Konrad Curze did for a functioning Dark Age of Technology fortress that was wired to blow up by a fanatical populace and yet was taken intact.

There is legitimately too much potential for me to just type in. We could teleport directly to enemy leaders once we know their location and assassinate them, or carry them back with us and take them hostage. We can teleport bombs, even really big super destructive ones, straight to where they can do the most damage. We could teleport cargo without needing to physically send it. We could change the face of how combat is waged by the Eternal Wardens, especially with psykers who can use their powers for teleporting too.

We can do everything with this, turning so many dire threats into walks in the park by comparison, but to do so we have to talk to Eli.

There's also this supersoldier project for the Imperial Army that Eli wants us to help with, who has been suffering so much and need all the help we can get. Kesar Dorlin is not only one of the best geneticists in the Imperium of Mankind, specialised more in the Warp-aspect but still extremely near-unparalleled on the more mundane biology side, he has god damn genetic notes from the Emperor of Mankind and recently a collection of all the Emperor's notes on tons of Warp research too. Kesar can pull wonders with this.

With Warp Genetics research and Thunder Warriors done (which we shouldn't just hand out on its own for the latter unless there's a truly dire emergency), Kesar Dorlin would only know more genetic stuff that could help out with this. As well as research stuff for the upcoming Astartes Upgrade project he'll do later on with the Emperor and Fabius anyway.

Talking with him is also mentioned to be a way for us to get a lot of funding, as in a +15 or so to boost rolls mechanically speaking, to the Rune World project that we're still only about midway through being done with. That is a critical boost for that lengthy, expensive project.

Speaking of helping the Imperial Army, who seriously needs anything and everything, the cultist stuff will help the Eternal Wardens face enemy cultists (of which we have a big giant Chaos voidship full of to face next turn), and deal with the many cultists that will undoubtedly rise from colonists and soldiers send to the Maelstrom, as I mentioned here. Void shields are self explanatory for why improving that is good.

I know that socialing Magnus seems like a good idea, but in lieu of that (to keep at least ten research actions for us), I'm spending up to two actions for researching stuff for him to help him out as he helps Kesar. As well as socialing Vulkan, as that will be a big deal given the Eldar collaboration revelations. Assuming Thunder Warrior Genome passes well. Maybe I'll exchange Horus for Magnus, if need be. I'll decide tomorrow.
 
Daemon Hunter said:
You'd need to meet Eli for the research to open up.
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Oh you are ebil...

Uuuuhhh...


Cause yeah, the teleporter safety alone would be a massive help. Just on the pirate hunting alone. We could take soooo many ships from the pirates intact with it vs without as one example and the red worlds we're facing.

I am legit needing a mo to process.

Speaking of the supersoldier project, can kesar call in fabius on that while he is here?
 
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Well, I'm sold by @TinyGladiator 's plan.


[X] Plan: To Build A Better Future, with Teleporters.
-[X] Warp Genetics x1
-[X] Thunder Warriors Genome x2 (to x4 if needed)
-[X] Master Understanding of Cultist Behavior x2
-[X] Advanced Cultist Countermeasures x1
-[X] Cultist Rituals x1
-[X] Void Shield Possible Mass Upgrade x1
-[X] You'll help Magnus with his own research x1 to x2 (Discard if needed for Thunder Warriors Genome)
-[X] Lion
-[X] Vulkan
-[X] The Presentation
-[X] Horus
-[X] Eli
 
[X] Plan: To Build A Better Future, with Teleporters.

Hopefully helping out Magnus' research does something for his mood. Guy needs all the hugs.
 
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