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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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BronzeTongue said:
Maybe we could talk to the mortals first?

I don't really want to take them into our hell if they're going to want to leave in the near future, but if Sofia is any example the red court deliberately preyed on the vulnerable and probably destroyed what little they had before being taken.

Some of them might want to come back, but it's possible that our collection is primarily composed of people who would take a fresh start somewhere the red court can never reach them or would otherwise agree to spend a decade or so there at minimum but retain the right to return after that. By that point basic information shouldn't be an issue, and honestly I'd be more concerned about them petitioning for whoever they'd come back for being allowed to join them than actually wanting to leave.

The more of them that take that deal the fewer we have to transport the mundane way.
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Honestly they could probably make bank in our hell just telling stories of our world and their specific culture. So they'd be fine in pretty much any situation. The vampires are prisoners but I figure their gonna be basically living in swedish prison with far far far higher security.
 
firefrog600 said:
I think your making a fairly big assumption that he will come after us ever. Naagloshi are essentially scavengers picking off weak prey they don't take risks and thats what fighting us right now when we're drained would be. Much less when we also have time to fight him. Hes unlikely to poke us for a fight he goes for weak prey not shit that can fight back. Not to even mention any time he has is time for us to get exp he is not gonna be getting an easier fight with prep time.
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He is interested now.
There's few things more valuable to old monsters than things that genuinely interest them.

He will not be hasty in trying to kill us, but I believe he eventually will try.
 
Artemis1992 said:
He is interested now.
There's few things more valuable to old monsters than things that genuinely interest them.

He will not be hasty in trying to kill us, but I believe he eventually will try.
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this is moronic hes survived at least several thousand years likely far longer and has likely seen many interesting things. Most non mortals in dresden files (though good chances dp has mostly scrapped this) are by large mostly unchanging without mortal influences. Trying to fight us is also beyond moronic from his perspective hes already a being who doesn't fight risky prey we are far more risky than he wants to poke.
 
I'm not really on board with redeeming Broken Seeker for a variety of reasons, but his ability to be relatively personable for a horrific cannibal monster makes me wonder what he was like before he fell.

If we have any foci remaining to point at him it's be interesting to see what did him in.

Artemis1992 said:
He is interested now.
There's few things more valuable to old monsters than things that genuinely interest them.

He will not be hasty in trying to kill us, but I believe he eventually will try.
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He probably will, but I don't think this hunt really made a difference in his ability to do so in terms of power.

The bracers aren't really that impressive function wise at this level, and while half of a vampire duchess is pretty good he's been at this for a while now. His average kill is going to be a proportionally smaller increase in power as time goes on.

You're also discounting our profit here, which is fairly significant. We gained a number of useful foci, crafting materials for custom gear, and some political material to use in our diplomatic efforts with people we actually like.

St. Giles, the council, and anyone else particularly displeased with the red court will count this as confirmation that we agree with them on at least this issue and that we may be worth working with.

I'd say we came out ahead here.
 
[X] Bring everyone, except Broken Seeker into the Fivefold Courts. Land the plane and strip everything of value, bodies engines, cockpit, computer components. Grab some explosives from the FCFF to remove the remains.

Again a golden opportunity to provide the FCFF with stuff to reverse engineer. Let's not waste it by throwing into the sea.
 
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Earth-Destroyer said:
[X] Bring everyone, except Broken Seeker into the Fivefold Courts. Land the plane and strip everything of value, bodies engines, cockpit, computer components. Grab some explosives from the FCFF to remove the remains.

Again a golden opportunity to provide the FCFF with stuff to reverse engineer. Let's not waste it by throwing into the sea.
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Gonna be honest anything non magical they have better versions in our hell. Aside from maybe some animal related products. Like seriously our hells like easily cyberpunk 2077 advanced.
 
firefrog600 said:
Gonna be honest anything non magical they have better versions in our hell. Aside from maybe some animal related products. Like seriously our hells like easily cyberpunk 2077 advanced.
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Our hell follows a completely different philosophy with technology, on a 1to1 they are better true. But they will also be lacking somethings that our hell just never needed to develop, either because of the different design philosophy, or being a different world with different developmental needs. They will also need tech examples to produce stuff that can be hidden as just normal earth tech.
 
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Earth-Destroyer said:
Our hell follows a completely different philosophy with technology, on a 1to1 they are better true. But they will also be lacking somethings that our hell just never needed to develop, either because of the different design philosophy, or being a different world with different developmental needs. They will also need tech examples to produce stuff that can be hidden as just normal earth tech.
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I know some tech should be useful but why would real world flight tech be helpful? They definitely have better versions of that. Also am unsure this plane could even handle the weather in our hell.
 
firefrog600 said:
I know some tech should be useful but why would real world flight tech be helpful? They definitely have better versions of that. Also am unsure this plane could even handle the weather in our hell.
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A middle eastern nations captured a US drone a decade or so ago, and now they are the foremost drone power in that part of the world. The amount of tech in a full plane is an insane amount of different stuff. Material production, sensors, flight characteristics, hydraulic, etc a modern plane represent hundreds of thousands, of man hours from starting design, mining material, to finished product.
 
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Our Hell probably doesn't have better planes.

The weather is terrible, the livable land surrounded by storms that can tear a plane asunder and the great plasma-ring in the sky limits flight-heights sharply, compared to our much higher sky.

Inter-City transportation is currently focused around underground-routes with trains and prior to that more likely roads with fortified waystations than free traffic through the wilds.

If you need light-weight express deliveries Sorcerers with Conveyance can help, if you need mass-goods, flight has never in history been a good option.

I doubt our Hell has much in the way of transporting flight, at most small machines for scouting/surveillance.
Drones or single-seat models.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Maybe we could talk to the mortals first?

I don't really want to take them into our hell if they're going to want to leave in the near future, but if Sofia is any example the red court deliberately preyed on the vulnerable and probably destroyed what little they had before being taken.

Some of them might want to come back, but it's possible that our collection is primarily composed of people who would take a fresh start somewhere the red court can never reach them or would otherwise agree to spend a decade or so there at minimum but retain the right to return after that. By that point basic information shouldn't be an issue, and honestly I'd be more concerned about them petitioning for whoever they'd come back for being allowed to join them than actually wanting to leave.

The more of them that take that deal the fewer we have to transport the mundane way.
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While we could talk to mortals, and probably even let them (but certainly not half-reds) go, I am loathe to do so. They would certainly be found and interrogated, likely used as sacrificial parts in magic rituals aimed at finding us or some such. They would need to be protected. I prefer to have them secured for at least a time. Yes, this potentially gives out some intel about our kingdom, but putting them in comfortable cells and restricting their interrogators to those who can pass for Earth humans should be doable.

As to reds and half-reds, our medicae and scholars in general would be thrilled. We should also spend a crown question on one of the corpses of lesser vampires to learn if they are the person they hatched from. Because red final transformation should interact with the Wheel somehow. If the rhampire is a different person, then the act of transformation would result in a rhampire and a mortal reborn through the Wheel and cured of half-rhampirism (I think). If the rhampire is the same person, then transforming in Molly's realm with a consensual mortal victim should have funky effects, because no murder = no original sin of all rhampires = strange things.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Our Hell probably doesn't have better planes.

The weather is terrible, the livable land surrounded by storms that can tear a plane asunder and the great plasma-ring in the sky limits flight-heights sharply, compared to our much higher sky.

Inter-City transportation is currently focused around underground-routes with trains and prior to that more likely roads with fortified waystations than free traffic through the wilds.

If you need light-weight express deliveries Sorcerers with Conveyance can help, if you need mass-goods, flight has never in history been a good option.

I doubt our Hell has much in the way of transporting flight, at most small machines for scouting/surveillance.
Drones or single-seat models.
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I know our hell has high tech that enables travel in the wastes or whatever we called it. Like power armor and magic for the purposes of travel. Probably stuff like high tech drones. But, your possibly right on the flight tech.
 
Yog said:
While we could talk to mortals, and probably even let them (but certainly not half-reds) go, I am loathe to do so. They would certainly be found and interrogated, likely used as sacrificial parts in magic rituals aimed at finding us or some such. They would need to be protected. I prefer to have them secured for at least a time. Yes, this potentially gives out some intel about our kingdom, but putting them in comfortable cells and restricting their interrogators to those who can pass for Earth humans should be doable.

As to reds and half-reds, our medicae and scholars in general would be thrilled. We should also spend a crown question on one of the corpses of lesser vampires to learn if they are the person they hatched from. Because red final transformation should interact with the Wheel somehow. If the rhampire is a different person, then the act of transformation would result in a rhampire and a mortal reborn through the Wheel and cured of half-rhampirism (I think). If the rhampire is the same person, then transforming in Molly's realm with a consensual mortal victim should have funky effects, because no murder = no original sin of all rhampires = strange things.
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Uh we already know they aren't the same person even got a comment from dp on it. Also you know I don't think two would spawn we have two options essentially the act consumes and parasitizes the soul and makes a new being or the soul leaves the body to whatever afterlife and a new being spawns kinda like corpse vampires in buffy. I'm hoping its the latter in all honesty.
 
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Yog said:
While we could talk to mortals, and probably even let them (but certainly not half-reds) go, I am loathe to do so. They would certainly be found and interrogated, likely used as sacrificial parts in magic rituals aimed at finding us or some such. They would need to be protected. I prefer to have them secured for at least a time. Yes, this potentially gives out some intel about our kingdom, but putting them in comfortable cells and restricting their interrogators to those who can pass for Earth humans should be doable
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That's not what's up for vote, or what I was suggesting, and though.

The vote is on how we deal with immediate transportation. Do we put everyone in the FCF and deal with the consequences of letting them out again, or only put in the red and half red (pink?) vampires since they can't leave it without being found anyway and work out a mundane way to get the mortals to safety.

Trying to get them to buy into staying in our hell solves that problem.

Also, the ritual stuff is getting sort of exaggerated. They could and would get interrogated, but just rescuing someone doesn't turn them into a good thaumaturgical link as far as DF magic is concerned.
 
[X] Between Auspicious Wings of Spite's piloting skills, your telekinesis and Broken Seeker's air magic you're sure you can land the jet on a stretch of highway in the desert, take it apart and burry it. Maybe you will have a use for it later
 
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Sep 23, 2023 at 10:35 AM, finished with 33 posts and 10 votes.
  • [X] Bring everyone, except Broken Seeker into the Fivefold Courts, strip everything useful or valuable from the plane, then have it crash into the ocean
    [X] Between Auspicious Wings of Spite's piloting skills, your telekinesis and Broken Seeker's air magic you're sure you can land the jet on a stretch of highway in the desert, take it apart and burry it. Maybe you will have a use for it later.
    -[X] Rig some explosives to make sure Auspicious Wings of Spite is not trapped in the sinking hull, and as little evidence as possible remains
    [X] Bring everyone, except Broken Seeker into the Fivefold Courts. Land the plane and strip everything of value, bodies engines, cockpit, computer components. Grab some explosives from the FCFF to remove the remains.
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[X] Bring everyone, except Broken Seeker into the Fivefold Courts, strip everything useful or valuable from the plane, then have it crash into the ocean
 
If we do crash the plane into the ocean, wouldn't RVD make it very simple for Molly to monitor the search for it and subsequent investigation if it's eventually found?

IIRC, Molly can basically perceive anywhere within a body of water she is dispersed into as if she were present and witnessing it with her own eyes? If the Reds send Fomor, we could learn of it, if no one ever finds it, we would know, etc.
 
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