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DragonParadox said:
I mean if you tried to kill him he would be a mite busy to do any claiming.
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Fair.But thats just asshole behavior.

And frankly, I doubt that we'd be able to stop him busting out the side of the aircraft with a chunk of Ortega in his fist anyway.
His being an evil son of a bitch does not mean we should choose to imitate him, or that we wont suffer significant reputational consequences in the community for turning on someone we made an agreement with.

We already have it hard enough with social as it is.
I dont see a reason to make it worse by adding unpredictability to our known characteristics.
 
[x] You are still pretty fresh, screw deals, you could kill more than one old monster today

[X] Shout at him that you are supposed to split the loot, he'll probably get a kick out of that (Charisma+Empathy Base DC 6)
-[X] Leave the head, would you? I might need a new mantlepiece
 
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uju32 said:
Dont break your deals or your word.
Dont get a reputation for breaking your deals or your word.
It will cost you in the long run a lot more than you will want to pay.
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It's getting kind of aggravating to keep hearing this tbh.

This is only relevant if people somehow someway learn the deets of our deal or the fact that we even had one to begin with. On top of that Naags are known as betrayers. I highly doubt people will question our integrity even if we decided to kill him.
 
DragonParadox said:
You can multi-attack, you just have to take the increasing DC hits and lost dice and even if you start at DC 4 (BSM KaK) three attacks one dash and one parry later you are at DC 9
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Not by the rules as I can find them.
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Okay, I found the rule for multiple actions: So, all actions take a penalty, the first one only a small one though. And only one action can be an attack. But! Multiple actions can be parries, there's nothing said against that. And with our shield, the parry-difficulty starts at 4. So we can...
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There's Charms for making multiple attacks and probably other ways to get multiple actions, but RAW for V20 you can only make one attack without them.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Not by the rules as I can find them.
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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files) Crossover - Fantasy

Okay, I found the rule for multiple actions: So, all actions take a penalty, the first one only a small one though. And only one action can be an attack. But! Multiple actions can be parries, there's nothing said against that. And with our shield, the parry-difficulty starts at 4. So we can...
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There's Charms for making multiple attacks and probably other ways to get multiple actions, but RAW for V20 you can only make one attack without them.
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Darn I've been doing this for more than a year and I am still not used to the rules, putting this one on the front page as well.
 
We agreed to help him kill the vamp we have done so, our deal is with him is done. It on him for not specifying we will let him take her power, or that we won't just kill him alongside the vamp.
 
BoredMan said:
It's getting kind of aggravating to keep hearing this tbh.

This is only relevant if people somehow someway learn the deets of our deal or the fact that we even had one to begin with. On top of that Naags are known as betrayers. I highly doubt people will question our integrity even if we decided to kill him.
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This is a setting replete with what Worm would term Thinker abilities.
Everything from scrying to postcog and time manipulation is on the table.

We have to consider that we are significant enough that we could be being observed by methods we dont even know about.
Note how we didnt realize that teleporting our way through the oceans and rivers would raise enough of a ruckus that mortals would be able to track us.



And yes, its a naagloshii.
Yes they have a reputation as betrayers. But its participation on the same plane raid as Molly is pretty strong evidence that there was a deal in play. And if we break it, its hardly going to be difficult for people to determine who fucked up.

And you dont want to compound betrayal with lying.
Since we've seen W20 Gifts in play, I will point out that Truth of Gaia is literally a basic Rank 1 Gift taught by spirits that serves as a lie detector. The idea we could keep a betrayal secret? Is improbable.

This would be a major self-inflicted injury to our ability to engage with the setting for no good reason.
Dont make a deal and then break it.
 
I'm under the impression the letter of our deal was to help him kill Arianna Ortega and we have done that.

It would be Fey to kill him but within our rights AFAIK.
 
Earth-Destroyer said:
We agreed to help him kill the vamp we have done so, our deal is with him is done. It on him for not specifying we will let him take her power, or that we won't just kill him alongside the vamp.
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Dont even try to pull that fae shit here unless you explicitly want everyone to treat you like fae and double check every. Fucking. Thing. You. Ever. Say.
Implicit understandings are a thing in the setting, and the only people who try to pull this shit are villain-coded. Like the Reds.

Who exactly do you think would willingly do business with you?
Which minor practitioners will willingly engage with someone who is going to pull that shit when they so choose? Or do you think the wizards of the White Council will? Or even the White Court?

You are literally proposing blowing up what social reputation we have painstakingly built up for no good reason I can think of.
And picking a fight with half Essence in enemy territory against the person you came here with, while some of the people you were fighting are still alive.

Its a terrible idea on literally every level.
OctarineShrike said:
I'm under the impression the letter of our deal was to help him kill Arianna Ortega and we have done that.
It would be Fey to kill him but within our rights AFAIK.
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See how almost everyone supernatural is warned about social engagement and deals with the Fae.
And why thats a bad thing for a social Exalt trying to socially engage.
And people dealing with us dont even get the assurance that the Fae cant literally break their word.

Trust is hard to build, and easy to evaporate.
There are real life companies that are rediscovering this in real time

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Besides, frankly, we wouldnt be able to kill him anyway before he could retreat.
Look at the amount of effort it took to kill Arianna, and she is not in the same power tier as a minor god of pain and terror.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Sep 20, 2023 at 11:28 AM, finished with 49 posts and 12 votes.
  • [x] You are still pretty fresh, screw deals, you could kill more than one old monster today
    [X] Shout at him that you are supposed to split the loot, he'll probably get a kick out of that (Charisma+Empathy Base DC 6)
    [X] Shout at him that you are supposed to split the loot, he'll probably get a kick out of that (Charisma+Empathy Base DC 6)
    -[X] Leave the head, would you? I might need a new mantlepiece
    [X] A deal's a deal, even with a monster, let him eat
    [X] A deal's a deal, even with a monster, let him eat
    -[X] While he's eating, target any vampires that are trying to get at civilians; if they're running away, instead focus on getting the civilians to safety.
    [X] Shout at him that you are supposed to split the loot, he'll probably get a kick out of that (Charisma+Empathy Base DC 6)
    -[X] Stunt: Over the sound of rushing air and rampaging monsters, you shout, "Enjoy your meal! Maybe leave her head for me? I'm not quite finished with Ms. Ortega." There is no time to watch for Broken Seeker's response, however, as another maddened creature leaps at you, toward its death.
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[X] A deal's a deal, even with a monster, let him eat
-[X] While he's eating, target any vampires that are trying to get at civilians; if they're running away, instead focus on getting the civilians to safety.
 
uju32 said:
Dont even try to pull that fae shit here unless you explicitly want everyone to treat you like fae and double check every. Fucking. Thing. You. Ever. Say.
Implicit understandings are a thing in the setting, and the only people who try to pull this shit are villain-coded. Like the Reds.

Who exactly do you think would willingly do business with you?
Which minor practitioners will willingly engage with someone who is going to pull that shit when they so choose? Or do you think the wizards of the White Council will? Or even the White Court?

You are literally proposing blowing up what social reputation we have painstakingly built up for no good reason I can think of.
And picking a fight with half Essence in enemy territory against the person you came here with, while some of the people you were fighting are still alive.

Its a terrible idea on literally every level.
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You are assuming, and pushing very hard, the assumption that everyone (anyone, really) would know if we betray Broken Seeker here, and murder him. At the same time, you have argued repeatedly that without hard evidence and a way to explain how we obtained said evidence, we can't do anything about Peabody, because either a) no one would believe us, or b) revealing this level of seer-like abilities is equal to suicide. These assumptions about the setting ("there's enough seers and other types of clairvoyants that knowledge of us betraying, backstabbing and killing Broken Seeker here will unavoidably spread and will be believed" and "clairvoyance strong enough to discover Peabody's treachery is either completely unknown or rare enough to justify eliminating an Infernal Exalt for possessing it") are mutually exclusive. Choose one, please.
 
[X] A deal's a deal, even with a monster, let him eat
-[X] While he's eating, target any vampires that are trying to get at civilians; if they're running away, instead focus on getting the civilians to safety.

Edit: Right now my mindset is in keep the deal for combat tactical reasons.
 
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uju32 said:
And if we break it, its hardly going to be difficult for people to determine who fucked up.
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How do you figure that? At this point I'm just dropping it but I want to know if you have any specific reason to believe this bit or if your just fear mongering with Thinker bullshit from bloody Worm of all settings.
Yog said:
without hard evidence and a way to explain how we obtained said evidence, we can't do anything about Peabody, because
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The reason why we need hard evidence is because they'll obviously trust the man they've worked with for centuries over us but I agree with the rest of this.
 
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[x] You are still pretty fresh, screw deals, you could kill more than one old monster today

I think Uju is overstating the risks, the deal is done, was made on falses premises in the first place anyway, and the clairvoyance to see what happened here easily he claims could reveal us does not exist from what we can see in the setting.
 
uju32 said:
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Besides, frankly, we wouldnt be able to kill him anyway before he could retreat.
Look at the amount of effort it took to kill Arianna, and she is not in the same power tier as a minor god of pain and terror.
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Not to mention how tenacious the lesser Skinwalker was when we captured and killed it. That dude was incredibly tenacious, and he was barely Naagloshii-lite.
Nyarky said:
[x] You are still pretty fresh, screw deals, you could kill more than one old monster today

I think Uju is overstating the risks, the deal is done, was made on falses premises in the first place anyway, and the clairvoyance to see what happened here easily he claims could reveal us does not exist from what we can see in the setting.
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There are multiple forms of Intellectus which could potentially reveal the information, including spirits who can just pull the info out of the air because that's how they roll. There are also various means of scrying on a subject, divination powers of all sorts, such as post-cognition, etc.
 
Here's another one of Uju's old posts with precog/divination feats for people who want more data(Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files) Crossover - Fantasy)
  • Ulsharavas the atemporal oracular spirit in Death Masks, who is one of many, and who was able to deliver the full script of a prophecy after agents of Hell had fucked with the original message.
  • Chaunzaggoroth the demon information broker from Hell in Grave Peril.
  • "Lydia" the female practitioner with a gift for prophecy(Cassandra's Tears) in Grave Peril.
  • Odin and his...everything in Changes.
  • Rashid and his ability to view potential futures in Turn Coat.
  • The Mothers and their ability to view futures in Cold Days.
  • Mab's scrying in Small Favor.
  • Dresden's scrying in White Night.
  • Cowl's ability to scry and astral project in White Night
  • Victor Sells' scrying+astral projection in Storm Front.
  • Molly's psychometry/postcognition of Jessica Blanche's murder in White Night.
  • Anduriel and his ability to hear shit going on in the shadows of others in Skin Game.
  • All the people in Changes who suddenly started having prophetic dreams when Dresden genocided the Red Court in Changes.
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Arianna still died, but Molly was the one who dealt the killing blow this time, though the options are the same you guys might want to reconsider the vote in light of the fact that you were the ones to actually bisect her

The highlights of the edit rolls was the initiative (gets rerolled every turn): Arianna, Molly Seeker

If she had managed to get ahead of you two she could have eaten that human, healed a bit and kept fighting. Of course if you guys had not thought to protect the humans she could have eaten him on the previous turn with her last celerity action. Congrats on the stunt and sorry again for the confusion
 
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OctarineShrike said:
Here's one of Uju's old posts with examples of precog/oracular feats. Whether or not that applies to events like this... *shrugs* Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files) Crossover - Fantasy
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Most examples are precog, so not relevant here (they would need post cog), the only example of past knowledge he shows is about the influence a powerful outsider left on Harry.

That leaves... nothing, none of the examples have any relevance to anyone *seeing* our betrayal via divination.

Goldfish said:
There are multiple forms of Intellectus which could potentially reveal the information, including spirits who can just pull the info out of the air because that's how they roll. There are also various means of scrying on a subject, divination powers of all sorts, such as post-cognition, etc.
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Look at the above paragraph, no examples of post cog, Intelectus is irrelevant to *everyone* knowing because it is rare and focused (Naagloshiis couldn't see our betrayal via theirs, for example), if someone is scrying us right now, they are already seing us work with a betrayer, not a great look anyway, pretty sure the spirits you are talking about don't exists.
 
BoredMan said:
The reason why we need hard evidence is because they'll obviously trust the man they've worked with for centuries over us but I agree with the rest of this.
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Completely cynical response is that we can hide behind Michael's reputation. But note that I also mentioned having to prepare a cover story for how we obtained evidence / learned about evidence. Also, Peabody's treachery is far more reaching and easily discoverable. Numerous powerful agents dealing with White Council (Archive, Winter, Summer) should have known about it if it was that easy to discover via scrying / postcognition of some kind.
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Most examples are precog, so not relevant here (they would need post cog), the only example of past knowledge he shows is about the influence a powerful outsider left on Harry.

That leaves... nothing, none of the examples have any relevance to anyone *seeing* our betrayal via divination.
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And good like precogging an Infernal beyond tearing out your eyes and screaming "the monster is here!"
 
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