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Politics are a form of violence, putting pieces allied to our cause into as good a position as possible would be useful even if we go and drop pod a company into rexs summer mansion
Renegade Chapter Master Quest (WH40k Quest)
- Thread starter Oshha
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Yeah, let's remember the importance of perception and just murdering the Sector Lord after he was telling people about how we're interfering with planetary governments (leaving out the fact they were fucking a lot of things up). We need to play our cards carefully lest things go from bad to worse. This wouldn't be the first quest I've been in where a lack of diplomacy caused some pretty big problems).
It certainly is how it's going to end it seems like. But we can still try to influence the perception of it so the other sub-sectors won't get the idea that they're next on the chopping block.
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Thing is, as stated beforehand with the PDF, most people are VERY uninformed. Quite frankly, once he's dead, he won't be able to spit out anymore of his tales. We'll be able to spin the story our way. The longer we leave him, the stronger he gets. Time is our enemy in this case. Plus, the lord sector can say whatever the hell he wants, but we have a great reputation in the sector, much better than his in any case.
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Given our established relationship with the Lord Sector, I seriously doubt a clash between us and him will come as any kind of real suprise to those in high positions in the Sector. The only thing that might be suprising about it is the suddenness.
What? Actually talking with an adversary to come up with a solution that doesn't involve violence? In my 40k!??!
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- United Kingdom
So some of the reasoning is obviously to try and preserve the productive capacities of the planets, and also to try and avoid destroying the regiments in case we need them etc.
However, my frustration was more with the predictable outcome of the action. If forces are only committed to one of the locations, there's the potential for the other one to go wrong.
Yes the roll was poor, but I can see for example how two forces could have predictably led to fewer losses.
True, but he hasn't tried to speak with us either and instead chose to build up his own power base. And we've been putting out fires around the Sector quite frankly, none of which he helped with the sole exception of Bountis which was a direct threat to him. All of this is quite indicative of his priorities, namely to benefit himself and not hold the Sector together.
As has been demonstrated, other players get their own actions and he chose his.
Edit: In particular what shows his priorities in full was his gutting of Battlefleet Asgardia. He took and turned 2/3rds of the Fleet and parked them directly over his personal world rather than leave them in their already established Naval base. On top of that he demand their direct loyalty rather than coming to an agreement with the Admiral.
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Luminous
God Save The Queen
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- Victoria, BC, Canada
Honestly, the guy doesn't seem like he's trying to fully seced from the Imperium.
We could maybe even become allies of each other. Next turn I say let's do an action where our CM and the ol' Rex just have a sit down and see if we can settle this amicably.
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We picked him as one of our enemies at the start bro. We ARE on his shit list, same as he's on ours.
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Those aren't fixed in stone. It is possible to turn enemies into friends and friends into enemies.
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- Israel
Honestly trying for a full on iwar against the sector lord seems like something that would give us way too much casualties , espcially since we still have an ork waagh and a chaos warband in the wings..
Assasination seems to be the smarter option here if we decide to go that way.
Assasination seems to be the smarter option here if we decide to go that way.
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Splendid I can use another Huron quote:
The Strongest are Strongest Alone
Umm, we were already kicked out of the Imperium by the High Lords. The entire sector is no longer in the Imperium. That was how the quest started.
This just makes me suspect that he is trying to make a deal with the Chaos Warband that hates us and you are trying to fake us out long enough for that to take hold.
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[X] Accept the deal. Forge World Odin will remain neutral. Storm Avengers will owe an Honourbound Favour to Forge World Odin.
Question is, what comes after that? While he is an asshole he's been making himself beloved by his people as they have started rallying around him as a pillar of stability. No guarantee that doing that won't just piss them off and have BF Odin and the Valkyries be our sworn enemies for murdering their dear leader for seemingly no reason. If we're choosing violence we can't half-ass it. It's all in or not at all.
But even then we could still try intimidating him to the table by bringing a big fleet for gunboat diplomacy where we show that we do have the power to overcome him, but we are willing to talk things out and let him keep his little fiefdom until he dies from natural causes and he stops slandering our Chapter's honor. If he refuses, then we'll just do things the old fashioned way and kill him and anyone who wants to act as a human shield for him.
And look how that went for him, now (or will be) a pawn to dark gods. Like it or not allies are pretty handy things to have and even he didn't fully go it alone since he had the Mantis Warriors and Lamenters.
Speaking of the Lamenters, I honestly think it would be hilarious in the unlikely scenario that they're a chapter we're friends with since we are liked by Blood Angels and their successors.
We are relatively close to them. But considering we never choose the boon in the form of friends we have made in the Millennia since our existence was founded, I kinda doubt that.
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Just to note i said if we go that way.
I am of the opinion that warring against an nominaly sane force while we got chaos and xenos sniffing around is frankly moronic.
Espicially when as spacemarines our losses are going to be larger then our growth for a while.
I mean that's why I was trying to get people talking about how we need to set things up going forward. The simple fact is that we're not presenting as an alternative. As far as people can tell we're just bopping around doing Astartes things like we were before.
Any violence against rex is going to need some serious follow up because like it or not he is the civilian government right now.
We haven't chosen an alternate horse aside from shooting all the other ones that are lame or juiced up on chaos 'roids or ork shrooms.
Even if we bump rex off we're gonna end up in the same fight in another couple of turns because people don't know what else to do.
Any violence against rex is going to need some serious follow up because like it or not he is the civilian government right now.
We haven't chosen an alternate horse aside from shooting all the other ones that are lame or juiced up on chaos 'roids or ork shrooms.
Even if we bump rex off we're gonna end up in the same fight in another couple of turns because people don't know what else to do.
I am curious about Rex's motivations. We're assuming that because we're the protagonist, Rex might be bad.
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So going forward, I'm thinking of changing the Points of Interest system since it isn't quite what I want. My current idea is a Mission section alongside a patrol option in Chapter Deployment. The idea would be that you have specific pre-planned missions that you can send Chapters to like repelling an ongoing Ork invasion or hitting a target of opportunity on a fallen world. Patrolling would basically be forces going about the Asgardia Sector and looking for minor threats such as hidden cults or Ork pirates. I'm also thinking of having a raiding option which would be like patrolling except you are on the offensive by going out and hitting targets of opportunity in fallen sub-sectors.
Basically missions would be Medium/High/Extreme Points of Interest and Patrols would be dealing with Low/Medium Points of Interest as they pop up. I feel this would be better than the Storm Avengers always reacting to stuff and never dealing with things as they happen.
Basically missions would be Medium/High/Extreme Points of Interest and Patrols would be dealing with Low/Medium Points of Interest as they pop up. I feel this would be better than the Storm Avengers always reacting to stuff and never dealing with things as they happen.
Torvald knows the man so you know he is an arrogant jackass, but he is a charismatic and competent jackass who decided to stick around rather than leaving with the Imperium for whatever reason.
Spylobster
Centrist-Malenyevist
The reason why the Chapter doesn't like him is because he's tried to subordinate them to his rule. He probably just wants to carve out a more centralized empire for himself in the sector, which is bad because that's what we want to do.
themisticShroud
The Red King And His Court
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- The Seireitei
[X] Accept the deal. Forge World Odin will remain neutral. Storm Avengers will owe an Honourbound Favour to Forge World Odin.
Do we? We're astartes, we have about as much interest in governance as the average ecliasiarch has in the imperial truth, the only people less interested in governing are probably the high lords of terra. Our issue is that he tried to build that empire within the imperium before it left, and make us subordinate to him when that is clearly not how things are supposed to work. We don't trust or respect him or his methods up to this point. Also he gives people bad vibes sometimes.
All of this is concerning, but it wasn't enough to oust him under the imperium, and it's not gonna look good now unless we have a hell of a follow up.
So what it keeps circling around to is: What's our alternate offer?
1. Back another horse
2. Take over ourselves
3. Call a summit
4. Keep on doing what we're doing and let him take over as long as he stays out of our logistics