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[X] Plan the first government takeover
Renegade Chapter Master Quest (WH40k Quest)
- Thread starter Oshha
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It didn't copy-paste over from my notes for some reason. Anyway, fixed now and thanks for catching that.
As far as im aware test slaves aren't actually conscious, im pretty sure theyre just lobotomised bodies on auto function.
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Do you realize how long it takes to create a space marine? Or at minimum get them to scouts? Test-slaves can very quickly multiply geneseed numbers when the maturation process takes just 5 to 10 years.
It takes 5 years for the first dose, and ten for the second in regular marines, and that's from implantation. The first dose is ready before they see battle, and the second before they finish their term as scouts.
The bottleneck is that they don't usually havest the geneseed until the death of the marine... For no adequately explained reason. The first step to upping geneseed stocks is to harvest from the living marines in fact. It's just not done routinely for some reason.
The bottleneck is that they don't usually havest the geneseed until the death of the marine... For no adequately explained reason. The first step to upping geneseed stocks is to harvest from the living marines in fact. It's just not done routinely for some reason.
Here's the problem: it's not fast or efficient. It's the same as normal production if you're doing proper harvesting instead of waiting forever, only you don't get to start on training the marine. It's the same speed and less efficient.
The only purpose testslaves are good for is if you're going to not be recruiting for a while but then need to do a whole bunch at once. Or if you want to build up a stock of geneseed for experiments without drawing from the normal supplies.
The only purpose testslaves are good for is if you're going to not be recruiting for a while but then need to do a whole bunch at once. Or if you want to build up a stock of geneseed for experiments without drawing from the normal supplies.
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Ragingbear21
Victoria Concordia Crescit
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[X] Plan the first government takeover
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You can't harvest the second geneseed of a marine, since it's in their chest. Behind the massive fused bone chestplate they all have, so trying to drill through it would likely cause immense trauma to other organs and the like, killing the marine, or crippling them.
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You absolutely can, it just takes a bit of finagling to go in from another direction, or make the cuts carefully. It's not as easy as cracking them open the fast way, but if you do it in lab conditions you can take the extra time, and patch them up when you're done. These guys walk off hits that end a baseline's career every day. A clean break, should such even be needed, should not put them in a dreadnaught.
Gene-Seed and Test-Slaves
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My take on gene-seed is that retrieving the second one is a fatal process so you need to take it from an dead battle-brother or an expendable test-slave. The benefit of using test-slave is that you can just kill them to get their second gene-seed as soon as it has matured, something that cannot be done with a battle-brother of the chapter.
Gene-seed can be retrieved at the following points.
After anunsuccessful procedure on aspirant, allowing you to retrieve the gene-seed spent on them.
When a neophyte becomes a scout marine, the first gene-seed is recovered.
When a battle-brother dies, there is a chance that their second gene-seed may be recovered. That chance is increased if the Company has an apothecary assigned to it.
Two gene-seeds from a test-slave once it has been ten years since implantation. Technically the first is available after five years, but for the sake of gameplay, you get both after ten years aka two turns.
The first three happen automatically, but implanting gene-seed in test subjects requires a free action to be spent upon on each batch of test-slaves.
Gene-seed can be retrieved at the following points.
After anunsuccessful procedure on aspirant, allowing you to retrieve the gene-seed spent on them.
When a neophyte becomes a scout marine, the first gene-seed is recovered.
When a battle-brother dies, there is a chance that their second gene-seed may be recovered. That chance is increased if the Company has an apothecary assigned to it.
Two gene-seeds from a test-slave once it has been ten years since implantation. Technically the first is available after five years, but for the sake of gameplay, you get both after ten years aka two turns.
The first three happen automatically, but implanting gene-seed in test subjects requires a free action to be spent upon on each batch of test-slaves.
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Not to my knowledge, but continuity in 40k is enough of a mess I'm sure there is a canon work or two that claims that is the sake. For the purposes of his quest, implanting gene-seed into someone allows for the growth of two new gene-seed, one that matures after five years in the neck that can be safely removed and one in the chest that matures after ten years, but is fatal to remove.
You already need chief apothecaries or Magos tier docs for this process to begin with. Of course the QM has spoken, so for the purposes of this quest the torso gland is lethal to harvest.
@Oshha
... Is that lethal lethal or dreadnought lethal?
No, general consensus is that each marine will at most produce two doses of geneseed. They were never meant to be able to grow their numbers too quickly.
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Lethal lethal to explain why it isn't done in canon.
Spylobster
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Space Marine numbers can still balloon pretty quickly. The Astral Claws went from a normal 1,000 marines to around 3,000 in a couple decades or a century all because they stopped giving geneseed tithes to the Mechanicum.
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Nah, the tithe isn't all that big to be honest, it's 5%. Still nice to not be paying it anymore though.
themisticShroud
The Red King And His Court
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[X] Plan the first government takeover
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so...we gonna grow our Chapter more then the "Limit" or are we adherents to the Codex even as Renegades
Well it's gonna be a few turns before we worry about that due to loosing more than our first Company.
That said, depending on how things go we'd have two major options assuming we can get a positive recruitment flow going and keep it up long enough to get past a smidge over strength in all our companies.
1. Found a new chapter. Probably the least problematic socially and politically, but a major resource investment since we'd need to get them their own set up with the mechanicus, their own recruitment pipeline, etc. As well as chunk off a good number of our veterans to form their initial leadership corps.
2. Alter the org-chart in some less than approved manners. Either building a true legion, creating multiple understrength sub-chapters that while nominally a part of our chapter operate fairly independently but share infrastructure, or going completely crazy and doing something completely unhinged like trying to integrate the mortals and the transhumans into some sort of combined force to distribute our numbers throughout the entire human controlled sub-sector. Less immediate drain on resources, bigger social and political issues.
That said, depending on how things go we'd have two major options assuming we can get a positive recruitment flow going and keep it up long enough to get past a smidge over strength in all our companies.
1. Found a new chapter. Probably the least problematic socially and politically, but a major resource investment since we'd need to get them their own set up with the mechanicus, their own recruitment pipeline, etc. As well as chunk off a good number of our veterans to form their initial leadership corps.
2. Alter the org-chart in some less than approved manners. Either building a true legion, creating multiple understrength sub-chapters that while nominally a part of our chapter operate fairly independently but share infrastructure, or going completely crazy and doing something completely unhinged like trying to integrate the mortals and the transhumans into some sort of combined force to distribute our numbers throughout the entire human controlled sub-sector. Less immediate drain on resources, bigger social and political issues.
Well the codex does allow for chapters on a crusade to go over the force limit. And if retaking a entire sector without imperial support doesn't count as a crusade I don't now what does. The Black Templars notoriously abuse this by always being on crusade. Though I doubt we will ever get to there numbers.