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Renegade Chapter Master Quest (WH40k Quest)

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There is no tithe to the High Lords. They just get access to the gene vaults where Mars stores every single geneseed ever collected and kept from every chapter, loyal, traitor or otherwise, for all of eternity. At least till a chapter begs for the geneseed sent from them to mars, back to them if they have little to no geneseed Available to them. Or their is a need/want for a new founding of space marine chapters.

And if the tithe is still sent from our forge worlds, then it means we still, technically follow the tithe of the Highlords, even if we are in a political situation nobody wants to acknowledge.
 
Well then we probably need to have the mechanicus verify samples for purity, and then get it back.
 
If you have a plan for that to happen, be my guest. But until you have a plan to NOT go and set yourself on gasoline and burn a gas station, I would advise shelving that particular plan right their for the immediate future.
 
thatguy99998 said:
we didn't propose it, the chief apothecarion did.
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TBF, us questers were the ones who brought it up in the first place and Oshha added it in b/c of the discussion about it. Anyways, might as well go all in now and not half ass it. 300 extra geneseed should be good enough.

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Spylobster said:
We probably want to secure at least one more recruiting world by next turn if we're committing to building a chapter whose strength is beyond the Codex-approved limit. Even with 150 test-slaves for growing geneseed we only have 23 aspirants to use them on right now.
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Not even that, but right now we have 3 Companies that are empty and need filling. Sooner they get filled up the better.
lizatessu said:
If you have a plan for that to happen, be my guest. But until you have a plan to NOT go and set yourself on gasoline and burn a gas station, I would advise shelving that particular plan right their for the immediate future.
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Yeah, let's not be too eager to give up our geneseed unless they actually demand it. Let's remember we're renegades through and through this quest, and the Imperium loathes anyone who doesn't follow their marching orders. What we need to do is be as far down on their priority list as we can.
 
Or we could just... Ask.

Next to the casual disregard for quality in favor of quantity the lack of just calm communication is the next biggest issue in this setting. We're talking to the mechanicus, not the highlords here. At the minimum we're gonna need to let them come in and do verifications.
 
w34v3r said:
Or we could just... Ask.

Next to the casual disregard for quality in favor of quantity the lack of just calm communication is the next biggest issue in this setting.
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The more I read your posts the more I lose brain cells. We are considered traitors, even if we are liked by the forge world next to us mars doesn't give a fuck, and if it is ever gonna send gene-seed back to a chapter it would be to the 2 loyalist companies that have left not the bloody renegades.
 
UlseDovThur said:
To be fair it was pointed out that 23 was a lower than usual amount.
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You'd want more than one recruiting world to offset lower than normal recruitment drives. If my math is correct, we lost 48 marines this turn, nearly half a company's worth of Astartes. The recovery of 19 1st Company veterans brings us to a net loss of 29, which is still multiple squads and more than what we could recover from right now even if all 23 current aspirants become Space Marines.
 
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[X] 150 test slaves

Don't really understand the panic around the tithe since A were a renegade chapter, we wouldn't be very renegade if we did everything we were supposed to and B if we genuinely don't have the geneseed the tithe will probably just get delayed a turn or so, and that's assuming a tithe is even going to happen.

I do definitely agree with more recruiting worlds though, 23 aspirants is horrifyingly low given the attrition rates they have.
 
Ragingbear21 said:
The more I read your posts the more I lose brain cells. We are considered traitors, even if we are liked by the forge world next to us mars doesn't give a fuck, and if it is ever gonna send gene-seed back to a chapter it would be to the 2 loyalist companies that have left not the bloody renegades.
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We just had a civil conversation with the local mechanicus. Why is talking to them such a problem? Don't we need them to verify geneseed purity?
 
w34v3r said:
We just had a civil conversation with the local mechanicus. Why is talking to them such a problem? Don't we need them to verify geneseed purity?
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Not really, no. It's more a formality to show that the astartes are subservient to the High Lords and such. It's also to verify if we've gone fully chaotic. Thing is, our apothecaries can do the job on their own, so there is NO point in sending a tithe, even if we wanted to. Fact is we're renegades. Trying to 'follow the rules' is just stupid at this point because we've already broken the biggest one which is 'follow your orders'. Also, the Mechanicus isn't some singular monolith. We have this individual forge world with us, and it does grant us ties to the general mechanicus, but they're functionally independent from them.
 
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Eh, there are some rules we should at least either try to normalize, or at least hold off from completely breaking off from, till the chapter in General is okay with it. Else we just get liable to get our brothers angry and get a possible schism on our hands from pushing too far, too fast.
 
lizatessu said:
Eh, there are some rules we should at least either try to normalize, or at least hold off from completely breaking off from, till the chapter in General is okay with it. Else we just get liable to get our brothers angry and get a possible schism on our hands from pushing too far, too fast.
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In general I agree with all this, I just don't think the tithe is one we should be particularly worried about for the moment. We have real enemies in the sector we should be focusing on.
 
lizatessu said:
Eh, there are some rules we should at least either try to normalize, or at least hold off from completely breaking off from, till the chapter in General is okay with it. Else we just get liable to get our brothers angry and get a possible schism on our hands from pushing too far, too fast.
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Yeah, for sure. Just making sure people are on the same page here basically. we're RENEGADES. We believe we're loyalists, but functionally, we're renegades, which means we're kinda kill on sight with the imperium, barring some circumstances. Playing fast and loose with the codex isn't somehow changing that.
 
Reader345 said:
In general I agree with all this, I just don't think the tithe is one we should be particularly worried about for the moment. We have real enemies in the sector we should be focusing on.
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Oh absolutely, this is just more of a reminder to everybody to be careful on what you try and do with both our status and our position as it stands right now.
01paradox01 said:
Yeah, for sure. Just making sure people are on the same page here basically. we're RENEGADES. We believe we're loyalists, but functionally, we're renegades, which means we're kinda kill on sight with the imperium, barring some circumstances. Playing fast and loose with the codex isn't somehow changing that.
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Imperium is far from monolithic on how it handles Renegades, especially the non-chaotic ones. My favorite book series on one of them, was the Soul Drinkers series. And in that one, even though it was kinda pointless in the end, the chapter was redecorated nonrenegade and loyalist again.

As for our status in regards to the Empire at large, it's more of a reminder to everyone that, we just split from the big guys and are right on the fresh heels of a schism from just that alone. Anymore attempts at playing funny business with rules, defunct though they maybe in someways, are not something that you want to do straight out of the gate, or in the first couple of turns. This would have to be, at least if we did it at a sub verse or just timescale, have to wait 50+ years before we do something like trying to implement the Black Templars training style, or the expanding of how the PDF and Battlefleet Asgardia could work with us, in being more compatible to our new status as Defacto rulers Of a fallen sector.
 
01paradox01 said:
Yeah, for sure. Just making sure people are on the same page here basically. we're RENEGADES. We believe we're loyalists, but functionally, we're renegades, which means we're kinda kill on sight with the imperium, barring some circumstances. Playing fast and loose with the codex isn't somehow changing that.
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True, but we can try to make ourselves not worth the retaliation if we at least appear to not be building up past max Chapter strength. We have the benefit of being renegades by staying in a condemned sector so we aren't exactly high on their priority list. Like it probably won't be until a century (20 turns) until they start poking back over here. We just have to make it not worth the effort when they could focus on more pressing matters than a sector and SM Chapter they thought was doomed somehow surviving and not turning to Chaos.
 
BigBadBob7070 said:
True, but we can try to make ourselves not worth the retaliation if we at least appear to not be building up past max Chapter strength. We have the benefit of being renegades by staying in a condemned sector so we aren't exactly high on their priority list. Like it probably won't be until a century (20 turns) until they start poking back over here. We just have to make it not worth the effort when they could focus on more pressing matters than a sector and SM Chapter they thought was doomed somehow surviving and not turning to Chaos.
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Thing is, building up our chapter also makes us a more dangerous target to rouse, and a huge dump of resources, resources that can be spent on more active threats, you know? As long as stay away from the Imperium and don't antagonize them, we'll be fine. Inquisitors and the like are generally smart enough to know better, despite their reputation, so I don't we'll somehow be the target of a crusade. I'd you're still worried, we can always just conceal our numbers through a myriad of ways, like the Black Templars do. Perhaps we could find a dead system to plop down a secondary Chapter Monastery to hide our over chapter astartes. It's be very funny when (if) we meet Roboute and we just reveal we had 5000 other marines up our ass, and that's worth going over strength in my opinion. :lol:

That and because of future knowledge. The Indomitus crusade needs all hands on deck, so to speak.
 
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There's a big difference between a Chapter fighting a quixotic battle in a doomed sector and trying to do... Other things. Refusing the tithe is reasonable; but there are definite degrees of how far we go and acting like "we're kill on sight, might as well go full rebel" is a choice we don't have to make.
 
KreenWarrior said:
There's a big difference between a Chapter fighting a quixotic battle in a doomed sector and trying to do... Other things. Refusing the tithe is reasonable; but there are definite degrees of how far we go and acting like "we're kill on sight, might as well go full rebel" is a choice we don't have to make.
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because we are rebels,we dislike the High Lords on a fundamental level, and we aren't rejoining the Imperium barring the Emperor or Roboute coming over. Because rejoining the Imperium for us is getting culled to the last man, especially since we still have 'loyalist' brothers around.
 
01paradox01 said:
That and because of future knowledge. The Indomitus crusade needs all hands on deck, so to speak.
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Also future knowledge, we likely have a Tyrannid Fleet to deal with in the future as an endgame scenario, and we likely aren't going to get much geneseed from casualties fighting them.

All I'm saying is that in 40k, it's almost always better to be safe than sorry. I myself am not against going over the limit, just not blatantly. The less ways we can antagonize them the better, but it's still best to actually prepare for them to try something, especially our loyalist brothers coming back to prove themselves and they can't be swayed by words.
 
Right now I think the Chapter's status is kind of ambiguous for most Imperial organizations. I'd think most other Space Marine chapters would actually be sympathetic to us since being forced to abandon your homeworld without a fight would be a pretty big slap in the face for any planet-based chapter. The High Lords could probably get away with treating a young chapter this way (see Celestial Lions), but we're a Fourth Founding successor.
 
Spylobster said:
Right now I think the Chapter's status is kind of ambiguous for most Imperial organizations. I'd think most other Space Marine chapters would actually be sympathetic to us since being forced to abandon your homeworld without a fight would be a pretty big slap in the face for any planet-based chapter. The High Lords could probably get away with treating a young chapter this way (see Celestial Lions), but we're a Fourth Founding successor.
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If we were completely united, then you might have a point. But we aren't, which is very unfortunate for that kind of thinking. Our loyalist brothers will ruin that opportunity, sadly.
 
The pseudo-feudal nature of the Imperium means absolutes rarely exist. Everything is soft power while there's certainly fanaticism, there's a great deal of pragmatism too.
 
KreenWarrior said:
The pseudo-feudal nature of the Imperium means absolutes rarely exist. Everything is soft power while there's certainly fanaticism, there's a great deal of pragmatism too.
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Yeah, no doubt, but in general, we're going to have a much harder time actually making good relationships with factions in the Imperium with our loyalist brothers out and about. I'd rather not rely on a fool's hope, so to speak.
 
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