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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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[X] Offer to wipe off the evidence of Raith crimes off all of Agent Green's devices
-[x]... and keep a copy (Roll opposed Charisma+Subterfuge vs the Elder's Auspex ???)
 
Another complication.

The Vamp knows a bit about Wan Kuei.
If he sees us using cyber-demons of the Wicked City he would propably guess we are an Akuma of Mikaboshi.

Having the supernatural underworld after us with the sensible intention if stopping a demon-agent from setting up shop here would be an issue.
 
Yog said:
Ok, are there:
1) Photos of Sarah Greene
2) Mirrors in which Sarah Greene is reflected
3) Awards or diplomas belonging to Sarah Greene
4) Shoes that can be reasonably expected to be Sarah Greene's
we can see?

I am fishing for a Crown Focus to ask "what information has *modified depending on the focus* uncovered about White Court related crimes?" without using Sarah herself.
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You can just burn her house instead of her (House, possessions etc... are under the same conceptual umbrella). But this is also the same place her husband was killed so you would burn the focus you came here to use about him.

Sarah is not Mab where practically everything she touches and every scene she is in is weighty enough for a question.

I think your best bet might just be to stick a demon in her computer and then have them relay the information.
 
DragonParadox said:
I think your best bet might just be to stick a demon in her computer and then have them relay the information.
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Yes, but:
1) We can't do this right this second
2) She might know more than she committed to computer / recordings

I am very unwilling to move right now, because depending on what Sarah has uncovered, the situation might be very different. The conspiracy she got evidence of could be:
On the extreme side - a multigenerational slave breeding operation with a side order of child (snuff) pornography, and human sacrifice
On the mildest side - infrastructure covering up for whampire initiations

If it's the first one, we should see the justice done, and if the elder vampire is opposing us, burn him here and now. If it's the latter one, I am far more inclined to preserve the masquerade.
 
Yog said:
Yes, but:
1) We can't do this right this second
2) She might know more than she committed to computer / recordings

I am very unwilling to move right now, because depending on what Sarah has uncovered, the situation might be very different. The conspiracy she got evidence of could be:
On the extreme side - a multigenerational slave breeding operation with a side order of child (snuff) pornography, and human sacrifice
On the mildest side - infrastructure covering up for whampire initiations

If it's the first one, we should see the justice done, and if the elder vampire is opposing us, burn him here and now. If it's the latter one, I am far more inclined to preserve the masquerade.
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You could also use the Crown on Madrigal Raith later to pick up the info from the other end.
 
So I might have gotten carried away with this, but I think it can work.

[X] Plan: Isn't It Ironic?
-[X] Offer to remove the evidence of Raith crimes from all of Sarah Green's devices and insure that any backup hard copies she might have hidden elsewhere are also dealt with.
--[X] Do not even attempt to imply that we won't be keeping the information for ourselves. If Sarah's evidence requires further action, we will determine how it shall be handled. Explain this, if necessary.
--[X] In addition to removing the threat of Sarah's evidence, we will also offer to assist her in finding the being responsible for her husband's death. This not only has the benefit of placating Sarah, it may also preserve her status as a useful agent, for us if not the Raith.
--[X] We'll offer Sitha an opportunity to serve by creating and operating a charity. This will allow her to benefit from Mercy In Servitude with minimal input from us.
--[X] If at any point combat starts, activate Melee Excellency and Viridian Legend Exoskeleton (both reflexive, 2 Essence cost)
-[X] STUNT: "So you seek to hide evidence of systematic predation upon mortals by White Court interests. I understand your concerns. For all that feeding your appetites is a less bloody affair than the leeches of the Red Court, the methods and results are often no less distasteful. Case in point," you gesture at the unconscious form of Sarah Greene and the scene which had been set to allay suspicions her death may have raised. "So this is what's going to happen; I'll make certain that none of Sarah's gathered evidence remains in her possession, including any backups she didn't trust to electronic storage. Her threat will have no teeth, so to speak. I'll even go so far as to offer her my assistance in discovering who or what killed her husband. After all, my interest in Detective Greene's murder is what caused our paths to cross today."
--[X] To Sitha explain, "You now have a choice to make that will set the tone for the remainder of your life. When you leave here today, you can choose to serve my interests and be forever free from the Hunger which resides in your soul. Or you can reject my largesse and become yet another predator preying on hapless mortals." Pause as if in deep thought before continuing, "Hmm, I have just the task in mind for you, my dear. I ask that you start a charitable organization, one dedicated to suicide prevention and the wellbeing of those impacted by suicide. You're young and inexperienced, so feel free to involve others as necessary, but you must dedicate at least 24 hours each week to starting and operating the charity, and all major decision making must remain under your purview. Give my offer some thought and contact me within 72 hours with proof of your commitment, or do not and seal your fate." Give Sitha a throwaway email address she can use to reach us.
 
Ok. I am committed:

[X] Use the Crown on Sarah to learn what sort of information she uncovered

@DragonParadox is that a valid action right now? Or do I need to formulate a specific question?

Context, people! Learn the context! Then act.
 
[X] Kill the old Vampire
-[X] Activate Melee Excellency and Viridian Legend Exoskeleton (both reflexive, 2 Essence cost)
-[X] (Stunt) There is nothing left to say. They want to protect not the masquerade in general, but the crimes of their kind in particular and you have no reason to aquiescence to that. As you call on the armor of ruin around you bright light spills from your soul, starkly showing the girl's shocked expression and the Elder's lighting-fast attempt to draw his gun. Your sword is in your hand as you jump forward in a thrust hopefully strong enough to break through a true Elders hardened body.
 
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Our greatest strength is neither social nor killing, it's getting information. So let's not leap straight to the ultra violence, especially when we know so little about what is actually going on here.
 
Danel4d said:
Our greatest strength is neither social nor killing, it's getting information. So let's not leap straight to the ultra violence, especially when we know so little about what is actually going on here.
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Indeed. If nothing else, consider - the elder, who is not with computers, as evidenced by his speech, took a young teen with him. It's reasonable to assume that she would have been the one to wipe the data from the computers if everything went as planned. The girl has been brought up with some morals at least, as she was taught justifications for her predations, rather than "mortals are cattle and their lives are worthless" ideology. If the evidence she would be wiping was something along the lines of "multigenerational slave breeding operation", that would be a problem, wouldn't it?

We have our Crown. We can ask, right here and now. And then we can make an informed decision.
 
Artemis1992 said:
True I guess.
But if the library were willing to act they would have done so centuries ago, the cowards.

I guess through Green we could inform the regular FBI of the regular crimes and at least hurt the White Court a bit.

Edit: Regardless how we use oit, we need the evidence in the first place. Maybe Green has ideas. Revenge can be a good motivator.
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To be fair to the library, it might just be that they've learned the hard way that they don't have the firepower to effect change. I'd also note that they do seem focused on trying to keep the federal government from being completely subverted or from stepping into something unpleasant supernaturally speaking. They've failed a few times, but it's not like we can measure how well they're performing those jobs with our level of access.

I'm biased on this though, they seem like the last hope for a competent and somewhat ethical mortal supernatural group at national level in the US. If it's just a matter of power and reach then some collaboration with Molly could change their policies for the better.

As to the other bit, I'm not too concerned about evidence. We don't need to meet the standards of law enforcement, we just need enough to point us in the right direction. Deleting all the data just commits us to neutering this slaving operation ourselves instead of trying to get anyone sent to prison for it.
Artemis1992 said:
Another complication.

The Vamp knows a bit about Wan Kuei.
If he sees us using cyber-demons of the Wicked City he would propably guess we are an Akuma of Mikaboshi.

Having the supernatural underworld after us with the sensible intention if stopping a demon-agent from setting up shop here would be an issue.
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Supernaturals like to keep secrets. Peeping at them with your super senses after being told to screw off is a good way to get smeared all over the walls.

He already has claimed to have little knowledge of computers, so he's taking us at our word that we're doing anything at all in the first place.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Supernaturals like to keep secrets. Peeping at them with your super senses after being told to screw off is a good way to get smeared all over the walls.

He already has claimed to have little knowledge of computers, so he's taking us at our word that we're doing anything at all in the first
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The option to wipe the date states clearly that he'll be using Auspex to notice if we copy anything.
 
BronzeTongue said:
They've failed a few times, but it's not like we can measure how well they're performing those jobs with our level of access.
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Especially since the problem with measuring success when someone is trying to stop something is made even more difficult from the outside due to the simple fact that success at that kind of things is invisible.

We don't see them when all goes well, because it's the norm, but they are instantly blamed when anything goes wrong, and treated as if they never did anything because people don't see the times they do things.

Artemis1992 said:
The option to wipe the date states clearly that he'll be using Auspex to notice if we copy anything.
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To try to, depending on how it's done, we could very well not leave any traces that he could follow.

[x] Yog
 
Artemis1992 said:
The option to wipe the date states clearly that he'll be using Auspex to notice if we copy anything.
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I don't know what all the vampire powers do. Based on the charisma + subterfuge roll, as opposed to something more tech or occult related, that we'd used to contest it I'd assumed it was a general perception buff and he'd be trying to determine if we were lying to him rather than directly inspecting our work.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Another complication.

The Vamp knows a bit about Wan Kuei.
If he sees us using cyber-demons of the Wicked City he would propably guess we are an Akuma of Mikaboshi.

Having the supernatural underworld after us with the sensible intention if stopping a demon-agent from setting up shop here would be an issue.
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Plenty of Wan Kuei enslave devils and use them as minions. It's not a signature of akuma.
 
BronzeTongue said:
I don't know what all the vampire powers do. Based on the charisma + subterfuge roll, as opposed to something more tech or occult related, that we'd used to contest it I'd assumed it was a general perception buff and he'd be trying to determine if we were lying to him rather than directly inspecting our work.
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Auspex is the power that gives better senses and other things like that, it begins with *you have better senses* and then go to things like telepathy with one person, astral bodies, knowing when someone lies to you and some little mind manipulation, all that on standard. The advanced version begins with mass telepathy and clairvoyance, and like all disciplines, ends with *Plot device*.
 
BronzeTongue said:
I don't know what all the vampire powers do. Based on the charisma + subterfuge roll, as opposed to something more tech or occult related, that we'd used to contest it I'd assumed it was a general perception buff and he'd be trying to determine if we were lying to him rather than directly inspecting our work.
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Auspex has multiple sensory powers.
He might read our aura/emotions, or just sharpen his mundane senses, or see our demons.
 
By the way, is there a way for us to summon/bind actual Exalted demons instead of just cyberdevils? I feel like a lot of our problems can be solved with enough demon summoning.

We can summon a 2nd circle demon to take care of our capitalist enterprises and deal with the various factions, and a bunch of Anuhles for covert operations.
 
EternityWarrior said:
By the way, is there a way for us to summon/bind actual Exalted demons instead of just cyberdevils? I feel like a lot of our problems can be solved with enough demon summoning.

We can summon a 2nd circle demon to take care of our capitalist enterprises and deal with the various factions, and a bunch of Anuhles for covert operations.
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By default the assumption of Exalted vs. World of Darkness, which is the source of the exalted side of the crossover, is that everyone and everything who actually remembers the Age of Legends has long since died, or are so far away / in such a deep slumber, as to be effectively dead. Now, depending on how the story develops, at some point this might stop being true for a number of reasons. But it won't be easy to bring anyone from that era to the modern day, and it would be significant. Probably a focus of a story arc at least.
 
Nyarky said:
Auspex is the power that gives better senses and other things like that, it begins with *you have better senses* and then go to things like telepathy with one person, astral bodies, knowing when someone lies to you and some little mind manipulation, all that on standard. The advanced version begins with mass telepathy and clairvoyance, and like all disciplines, ends with *Plot device*.
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Artemis1992 said:
Auspex has multiple sensory powers.
He might read our aura/emotions, or just sharpen his mundane senses, or see our demons.
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Thanks, that makes sense.

Given the unknown capabilities of his magical senses I agree it'd probably be a mistake to let him see us out a cyber devil in something.

Not so much for just having one, but because Bob at least immediately identified the process as being some sort of divine authority on sight.

Maybe this guy isn't Bob level, but I'd rather not flash him the goods so to speak.

@Alratan does have a point though, just having them isn't a sign of anything except skill in summoning and a connect to the thousand hells, half of which is a given for a jade vampire.

With the background purchase Clippy is now a modestly skilled hacker, so using her to wirelessly connect to the computer and screw with it should work. It really depends on how security conscious Greene is, and if she made any mistakes on her recovery methods.

She's right there, so even if she did a good job and didn't put her passwords on sticky notes or whatever we're basically in this XKCD now:


But with intimidation instead of wrenches.
 
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