STAR TREK: A Long Road (Voyager Fix It Quest)

Rivenscryr said:

Everyone suspects the big, well-armed ship of ill-intentions, or at least, is intimidated by said ship. I just want to make a small ship, like our version of the Defiant. Small, nimble, good for scouting...and absolutely able to cave someone's face in as needed? Is that so much to ask?

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When every other person we meet is worried about us attracting the attention of the Borg, you want one of those people to give us an equivalent to the Federation's prototype anti-Borg ship? We don't need super heavy firepower, we're the Federation. A local runabout or shuttle so we can scout without raising any alarms is a great idea.

I mean, we already have a ship with a cloak. If we want better ocmbat capabilities improve the cloak or the weapons on the Val Jean.

shepsquared said:

When every other person we meet is worried about us attracting the attention of the Borg, you want one of those people to give us an equivalent to the Federation's prototype anti-Borg ship? We don't need super heavy firepower, we're the Federation. A local runabout or shuttle so we can scout without raising any alarms is a great idea.

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No no, I'm not asking for them to give us something like the prototype. Just give me a decently built frigate or corvette and we can tinker with it a tad. Or more than a tad.

But more seriously, yeah, a runabout and exchange officer would be great.

If new builds are an option what about having the Kazon building us a modernized Warp Delta from the early Starfleet days then?

Considering Voyager's databanks contain the technical specifications for Constitution-class starships, it wouldn't be that far fetched for her to also have the specs from the ships of Archer's era.

They're essentially Starfleet Bird-of-Preys, with the less than canon supplemental material listing their crew complement as ranging from as little as twenty to thirty and the whole ship being a meager 130 meters long. The low crew count can be lowered further with automation like was done with R'mor's Eloise and we can even name it after our old friend the senator.

The shuttlecraft/runabout request isn't because we need another small ship, it's because it can look like normal kazons doing normal kazon things without giving away our presence.

I feel like we should check the wish granting cloud isn't alive before we destroy it

Draz said:

I feel like we should check the wish granting cloud isn't alive before we destroy it

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If it's alive, we are no threat to it.

Discussion is good, but I do need votes!

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[X] Plan: Establishing Diplomatic Protocols, Welcome Back Ambassador
-[X] Offer a counter proposal...
--[X] In exchange for navigational charts listing the locations of known Borg attractors the crews of the USS Voyager and MRSS Val Jean formally agree to take all reasonable action to avoid interacting with said attractors.
--[X] USS Voyager would like to accept a Kazon exchange officer who while acting within Voyager's fleet's chain-of-command will be free to make reports to the Kazon of Voyager and its actions, so that the Sect may ascertain if Voyager is keeping to its agreements. The exchange officer may bring aboard their own fighter craft or warp capable shuttle if they deem it necessary. In exchange the officer will act as guide through know space, provide advice and assistance when it comes to interacting with races that the Kazon have previously established relationships with, and should they be a member of the Kazon fighter corps both teach Voyager's pilots the intricacies of dogfighting and provide insight into improving the fighting capabilities of her current shuttle fleet. In the interest of future cooperation Voyager would be open to sharing technical advancements in fighter design made in conjunction with the Kazon exchange officer that do not violate the Kazon's own policies on acceptable levels of technological advancement as well as Starfleet's policies on sharing sensitive technologies.
--[X] USS Voyager proposes a treaty wherein they and the Kazon agree to share information pertaining to the Borg so as to improve both sides chances of surviving an encounter with the all consuming species. Neither side will however be obligated under the terms of the treaty to provide direct military assistance were they to encounter the Borg given that the overwhelming nature of the Borg's military strength would make such an obligation tantamount to enforced suicide. To service the timely transfer of information on the Borg and allow the Kazon exchange officer to more easily send communiques, Voyager and the Kazon will work to establish a dedicated line of communications between them. Such an avenue of communications need not be real time but it must be one that can allow both sides to reach the other quickly in case of an emergency.
--[X] The Kazon and the USS Voyager agree to a non-aggression pact.
--[X] USS Voyager agrees to deconstruct the dark matter nebula on two conditions: 1.) They must first ascertain with an acceptable degree of confidence that doing so will not result in undue harm to those aboard their vessels. 2.) They would request from the Kazon an escort ship of similar capabilities to a Romulan Bird-of-Prey, preferably one capable of atmospheric operations. A preexisting vessel will be acceptable however if the Kazon are inclined to create a new hull the Voyager crew would like to contribute to the design that will be constructed.

[X] Accept the deal - deconstruct the nebula, in exchange for...
-[X] A ship we build with it first.

We could get a Klingon or Romulan Cloaked Ship with big Dakka!

Does not need to be big or a Multitool like a Starfleet Ship, just Cloaking and Big Boom!

Unless the Kazon have people willing to get sucked into our nonsense long term I'm not sure we want to invest the time and energy into acclimating them into the fleet so I'm not enthusiastic about exchange officers or taking on temporary crew.

I'm also not really sure why we'd want a Kazon ship, if we want to make a better runabout, we can already do that, if we wanted to get a support ship of some sort that'd make more sense, but I don't know if the Kazon make logistics ships, it's kind of niche.

[X] Accept the deal - deconstruct the nebula, in exchange for...
-[X] Information

[X] Plan: Establishing Diplomatic Protocols, Welcome Back Ambassador
-[X] Offer a counter proposal...
--[X] In exchange for navigational charts listing the locations of known Borg attractors the crews of the USS Voyager and MRSS Val Jean formally agree to take all reasonable action to avoid interacting with said attractors.
--[X] USS Voyager would like to accept a Kazon exchange officer who while acting within Voyager's fleet's chain-of-command will be free to make reports to the Kazon of Voyager and its actions, so that the Sect may ascertain if Voyager is keeping to its agreements. The exchange officer may bring aboard their own fighter craft or warp capable shuttle if they deem it necessary. In exchange the officer will act as guide through know space, provide advice and assistance when it comes to interacting with races that the Kazon have previously established relationships with, and should they be a member of the Kazon fighter corps both teach Voyager's pilots the intricacies of dogfighting and provide insight into improving the fighting capabilities of her current shuttle fleet. In the interest of future cooperation Voyager would be open to sharing technical advancements in fighter design made in conjunction with the Kazon exchange officer that do not violate the Kazon's own policies on acceptable levels of technological advancement as well as Starfleet's policies on sharing sensitive technologies.
--[X] USS Voyager proposes a treaty wherein they and the Kazon agree to share information pertaining to the Borg so as to improve both sides chances of surviving an encounter with the all consuming species. Neither side will however be obligated under the terms of the treaty to provide direct military assistance were they to encounter the Borg given that the overwhelming nature of the Borg's military strength would make such an obligation tantamount to enforced suicide. To service the timely transfer of information on the Borg and allow the Kazon exchange officer to more easily send communiques, Voyager and the Kazon will work to establish a dedicated line of communications between them. Such an avenue of communications need not be real time but it must be one that can allow both sides to reach the other quickly in case of an emergency.
--[X] The Kazon and the USS Voyager agree to a non-aggression pact.
--[X] USS Voyager agrees to deconstruct the dark matter nebula on two conditions: 1.) They must first ascertain with an acceptable degree of confidence that doing so will not result in undue harm to those aboard their vessels. 2.) They would request from the Kazon an escort ship of similar capabilities to a Romulan Bird-of-Prey, preferably one capable of atmospheric operations. A preexisting vessel will be acceptable however if the Kazon are inclined to create a new hull the Voyager crew would like to contribute to the design that will be constructed.

w34v3r said:

Unless the Kazon have people willing to get sucked into our nonsense long term I'm not sure we want to invest the time and energy into acclimating them into the fleet so I'm not enthusiastic about exchange officers or taking on temporary crew.

I'm also not really sure why we'd want a Kazon ship, if we want to make a better runabout, we can already do that, if we wanted to get a support ship of some sort that'd make more sense, but I don't know if the Kazon make logistics ships, it's kind of niche.

[X] Accept the deal - deconstruct the nebula, in exchange for...
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Species aren't uniform, we could always get a Kazon character that does end up sticking around, and even if they don't and end up being temporary it would be an interesting perspective. I've always thought it was a shame that DS9 never did much with the Romulan character that was supposed to be there to watch the Defiant. It would be great to have a similar character here that actually does stuff instead of disappears and is never spoken of again.

As for you second point, I can't speak for everyone else but I am aiming to get an escort ship on par with a Romulan Bird-of-Prey not a runabout and TheOmnimercurial has expressed interest in a capital ship. If Voyager was forced to it could build a runabout but it can't build a 130 meter long ship.

Yes, but I don't care about a random bird of prey type ship, I want a support ship something aimed at logistics support or that would add a unique capacity. The val jean is already our scout sneaky ship, and artillery ship is not going to help us solve our problems 90% of the time, we're federation so we literally shit science labs better than the Kazon can build in this era, that leaves something like a farm ship, or a repair ship.

w34v3r said:

Yes, but I don't care about a random bird of prey type ship, I want a support ship something aimed at logistics support or that would add a unique capacity. The val jean is already our scout sneaky ship, and artillery ship is not going to help us solve our problems 90% of the time, we're federation so we literally shit science labs better than the Kazon can build in this era, that leaves something like a farm ship, or a repair ship.

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It's less the capabilities of the ship itself I'm interested in, so much as the fact that its a vessel native to the region that won't ring any alarm bells, because the Kazon are a known quantity around these parts - and that said vessel might come with nav data. I would honest doubt they'd have a farm ship, but...I could see them having a mobile repair ship.

...I don't see them being willing to part with one though.

How much longer will we be in kazon space though?

I like the idea of a Kazon officer but asking to be taught about fighter tactics feels pointless.

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The first death we suffered was that of a shuttle pilot. Frankly I don't want that to happen again and I'll take any opportunity to lower the chances of losing another of our pilots.

w34v3r said:

How much longer will we be in kazon space though?

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Going by canon, Voyager won't leave Kazon space until the very start of season 3 and for reference we've still got three more episodes before we hit the end of season 1.

Dear god there's so much voyager to write auubbbbbdbnfjdbf

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[X] Plan: Establishing Diplomatic Protocols, Welcome Back Ambassador