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Per Aspera (Space Agency Plan Quest)

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Is the nuclear infrastructure going to disappear if we don't take it?

I'm dropping the Matsci promise based on the probability math above. We can always do it next year.
 
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[ ] Do not pursue Spaceplane research (+5 PS, SDL moves 2d10 steps towards Favor)

[ ] Do not pursue Rocketry research (+5 PS, SDL moves 2d10 steps towards Favor)
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Is the SDL aware of what we do?

Though I suppose this is just their way of trying to get us to focus on other technology rather than just researching bigger and better rockets.
We could actually do with some research into materials, fuels, and computers this year.
 
trooperist said:
Is the SDL aware of what we do?

Though I suppose this is just their way of trying to get us to focus on other technology rather than just researching bigger and better rockets.
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There's probably ass-covering going on here too. SDL is composed in large part of politicians of the old order, and probably don't appreciate our looking through the old order's files and junk drawers, and debriefing its old programs' personnel, for things that would help aerospace research. Who knows what dirt we might uncover?
 
Orion drives are a fun meme but this is a world that just got out of a brutal nuclear war. Let the meme die.

I'm inclined to support a plan that only brings us up to .75%. The world is still recovering - we may want more money for more rockets but funding we receive is coming out of the budget for critical reconstruction efforts.
 
TheArcanist said:
Orion drives are a fun meme but this is a world that just got out of a brutal nuclear war. Let the meme die.

I'm inclined to support a plan that only brings us up to .75%. The world is still recovering - we may want more money for more rockets but funding we receive is coming out of the budget for critical reconstruction efforts.
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What I care about more is the nuclear infrastructure. Nuclear is by far the best power source for Earth, and it opens up a lot of high energy missions in space. We can do those missions without it, but it's easier with it because the alternative is solar and that means we need huge thin film mirrors that don't handle acceleration well at all.

If the cost of nuclear infrastructure will increase, or if the option might disappear then I say we eat the cost and take it now. Otherwise it's something to consider after our first orbital launch.
 
Zimmerwald1915 said:
There's probably ass-covering going on here too. SDL is composed in large part of politicians of the old order, and probably don't appreciate our looking through the old order's files and junk drawers, and debriefing its old programs' personnel, for things that would help aerospace research. Who knows what dirt we might uncover?
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Word of God from the discord is that the SDL doesn't want the anarchists to look competent either.
 
grimely said:
Word of God from the discord is that the SDL doesn't want the anarchists to look competent either.
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While it was unlikely, I was kinda hoping they weren't the blatant opposition party that's against everything we do. As the description says, they're the remnants of the old order that are only involved in the world government because otherwise they wouldn't get a voice.

Though they're also the remnants that are willing to at least work with the leftists. The ones that won't work with us are the partisans hiding out in caves and mountains.
 
trooperist said:
While it was unlikely, I was kinda hoping they weren't the blatant opposition party that's against everything we do. As the description says, they're the remnants of the old order that are only involved in the world government because otherwise they wouldn't get a voice.

Though they're also the remnants that are willing to at least work with the leftists. The ones that won't work with us are the partisans hiding out in caves and mountains.
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The left wing of the SDL isn't super in opposition, but the rightmost wing certainly is.
 
Ok, I have a followup proposal:

[X] The Right Nuclear Stuff
-[X] [FUND] 0.75% - Tripling your current funding might be a bigger ask, but it would definitely help you expand your efforts more rapidly. (+100R/turn, -10PS)
-[X] Complete Weather Studies (Phase 3) (+5 PS) (All parties move +1d10 steps towards Favor)
-[X] Build Computational Research Facility (+5 PS) (All parties but UWF move 1d10 steps towards Favor)
-[X] Complete Rocket Boxes (Phase 3) (+5 PS, CPAL moves 2d10 steps towards Favor)
-[X] Do not expand to more than 2 Facilities Dice (+5PS, CPAL moves 2d5 steps towards Favor)
-[X] Do not pursue Spaceplane research (+5 PS, SDL moves 2d10 steps towards Favor)
-[X] Nuclear Infrastructure (-30PS) (CPAL, SDL move 2d20 steps towards Oppose; all other parties move 2d10) (Gain Basic Nuclear Technology, 1 Refinement Facility)
-[X] [BOMB] Return it to the demil locker, of course. (+10PS)

Total: -5 PS

This plan adds not expanding our facilities too much and not pursuing space planes this year. My understanding is that we're free to do those things next year through so let me know if that's not the case.

In exchange, we get in on the ground floor of nuclear power research. This has applications for space, yes, but it also means we can become a key player in the earth bound energy sector, which means political clout because it's a keystone industry. It drops us to 40 PS in total, which we can make up for by doing the Space For All action which gives us +10 PS.

edit: Added computer facility to reduce out total PS hit to -5 on the assumption that this gets built with Facility dice, which we have to spare right now!
 
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[X] The Right Nuclear Stuff
In light of hearing that nuclear infrastructure is a limited-time option to take up, it's now a key concern for me on this vote.
 
[X] Plan: Broad Coalition for Futurism
-[X] [FUND] 0.75% - Tripling your current funding might be a bigger ask, but it would definitely help you expand your efforts more rapidly. (+100R/turn, -10PS)
-[X] Complete Weather Studies (Phase 3) (+5 PS) (All parties move +1d10 steps towards Favor)
-[X] Build Computational Research Facility (+5 PS) (All parties but UWF move 1d10 steps towards Favor)
-[X] Complete Rocket Boxes (Phase 3) (+5 PS, CPAL moves 2d10 steps towards Favor)
-[X] Do not expand to more than 2 Facilities Dice (+5PS, CPAL moves 2d5 steps towards Favor)
-[X] Do not pursue Spaceplane research (+5 PS, SDL moves 2d10 steps towards Favor)
-[X] Dark Sky Development Regulations (-5 PS) - Work with the local councils to draft a set of regulations regarding keeping dark sky sites dark for astronomical use.
-[X] Broadcast Regulations (-5 PS) - Work with the local councils to draft a set of regulations regarding keeping certain radio frequencies unused for radio astronomy.
-[X] [BOMB] Return it to the demil locker, of course. (+10PS)

This plan tries to maximize support via favor more than political support, with an eye to being able to take nuclear infrastructure next year once we've built up favor with this year's and next year's other requests. It still comes out at +15PS for the year saved up, though it spends some overhead on the Dark Sky and Broadcast regulations which I think are just good to get out of the way as soon as possible.

The computer facility and Weather Studies are the most broadly popular promises with the parties, and I didn't want to overcommit on active promises and incomplete one so the others are passive: not expanding to more than 2 facilities dice and not pursuing our less popular, less relevant line of space travel research are worth eating now for some bonus favor and support that will let us do the big, useful thing (nuclear infrastructure). I added Rocket Boxes too because they don't compete with those for dice and they're very dear. This keeps all our active promises split across different dice categories.

Edit: swapped materials research for computers after both feedback about the difficulty of the materials research and realizing I missed how popular computers are.
 
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Cool to see the workings of this World Revolution setting. Man, that partisan activity...
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North America
Partisan Activity: 14
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Highest. Is the entire white south trying to rise again or something?
Western Asia
Partisan Activity: 12
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Second highest. Religious fundamentalists outraged at our securalism?

Ahh the nuclear issue... one part of me wants to just promise to not touch it for the next decade and rake in that political support. But I worry how many opportunities we'll permanently lose. Another parts wants to go full YOLO and burn PS to let us keep doing atomic stuff.

Big question of mine is, will this world develop civilian nuclear power (which would re-open a route to nuclear thermals for us), or will the nuclear trauma mean they'll never touch the atom again this century?
 
General_Urist said:
Cool to see the workings of this World Revolution setting. Man, that partisan activity...

Highest. Is the entire white south trying to rise again or something?

Second highest. Religious fundamentalists outraged at our securalism?
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1) The South, swathes of Canada, old colonial possessions in the Caribbean...

2) Some of those, but mostly protofascists, monarchists and nationalist movements.

General_Urist said:
Big question of mine is, will this world develop civilian nuclear power (which would re-open a route to nuclear thermals for us), or will the nuclear trauma mean they'll never touch the atom again this century?
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Depends significantly on what you do, actually. The IEC is one of the few organizations that have/will have the cultural remit to change peoples' minds.
 
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Really hope the security stat isn't meant to be a counter to partisan activity. Because the only region that comes close is South America, where both stats are tied.

Currently set for a 40 year reconstruction time at the current pace. A bit understandable given how this is after the third world war with a limited nuclear exchange followed by a global leftist revolution. Hopefully once industry is rebuilt and more is constructed we can really start to reduce the timetable. Maybe get it down to 20 years.

What region is former Russia considered? Is the country split at the Urals into Europe and Asia?
 
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trooperist said:
Really hope the security stat isn't meant to be a counter to partisan activity. Because the only region that comes close is South America, where both stats are tied.

Currently set for a 40 year reconstruction time at the current pace. A bit understandable given how this is after the third world war with a limited nuclear exchange followed by a global leftist revolution. Hopefully once industry is rebuilt and more is constructed we can really start to reduce the timetable. Maybe get it down to 20 years.

What region is former Russia considered? Is the country split at the Urals into Europe and Asia?
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It's split roughly there, yes.

And, yes, as reconstruction continues, the pace of reconstruction will increase.
 
[X] Plan: Broad Coalition for Futurism

I prefer this plan's focus on building support among the parties prior to rocking the nuclear boat.
 
Rockeye said:
No Orion pls. Nuclear propulsion sounds like contamimation to me. Put bomb back in box.
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In the short term, you get reasonably clean bombs and launch from the South Magnetic Pole, where the magnetic field lines are nearly vertical and confine the fallout to somewhere literally no one else care about. In the long term, you build a space elevator to get out of atmosphere and launch from high orbit, above the Van Allen belts.
 
General_Urist said:
Ahh the nuclear issue... one part of me wants to just promise to not touch it for the next decade and rake in that political support. But I worry how many opportunities we'll permanently lose. Another parts wants to go full YOLO and burn PS to let us keep doing atomic stuff.

Big question of mine is, will this world develop civilian nuclear power (which would re-open a route to nuclear thermals for us), or will the nuclear trauma mean they'll never touch the atom again this century?
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One thing to consider is that there's a lot of infrastructure that's going to disappear.

Early nuclear enrichment and breeding plants were massively expensive and not all that safe. So, if we don't pick the option soonish, all that infrastructure will have been dismanteled and we'll need to start from scratch.

thepsyborg said:
In the short term, you get reasonably clean bombs and launch from the South Magnetic Pole, where the magnetic field lines are nearly vertical and confine the fallout to somewhere literally no one else care about. In the long term, you build a space elevator to get out of atmosphere and launch from high orbit, above the Van Allen belts.
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The problem is that without a cold war, I don't see us doing the needed research to get to "clean bombs".

We'll likely be stuck with primitive implosion devices, not even reaching thermonuclear bombs.
 
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[X] Plan: Broad Coalition for Futurism with Nukes
-[X] [FUND] 0.75% - Tripling your current funding might be a bigger ask, but it would definitely help you expand your efforts more rapidly. (+100R/turn, -10PS)
-[X] Complete Weather Studies (Phase 3) (+5 PS) (All parties move +1d10 steps towards Favor)
-[X] Build Computational Research Facility (+5 PS) (All parties but UWF move 1d10 steps towards Favor)
-[X] Complete Rocket Boxes (Phase 3) (+5 PS, CPAL moves 2d10 steps towards Favor)
-[X] Do not expand to more than 2 Facilities Dice (+5PS, CPAL moves 2d5 steps towards Favor)
-[X] Do not pursue Spaceplane research (+5 PS, SDL moves 2d10 steps towards Favor)
-[X] Nuclear Infrastructure (-30PS) (CPAL, SDL move 2d20 steps towards Oppose; all other parties move 2d10) (Gain Basic Nuclear Technology, 1 Refinement Facility)
-[X] Dark Sky Development Regulations (-5 PS) - Work with the local councils to draft a set of regulations regarding keeping dark sky sites dark for astronomical use.
-[X] Broadcast Regulations (-5 PS) - Work with the local councils to draft a set of regulations regarding keeping certain radio frequencies unused for radio astronomy.
-[X] [BOMB] Return it to the demil locker, of course. (+10PS)

Takes us from +15 to -15, which gives us a PS of 30 that's guaranteed to rise as we complete Weather Studies. Importantly, it gives us nuclear technology early so we can start moving the needle on the atom taboo as soon as possible. Besides, what use is our clout if we don't use it? Especially when we can start building the future, today.

Support impact on this is also kind of a wash for every faction except the UWF, though results are obviously up to the inscrutable will of RNG. I put in parentheses the additional gains if we also pledge to complete materials research phase 2, which I want to do but I don't know if that's feasible with the weather studies phase 3 promise. I should also note that of the factions, the UWF already likes us quite a lot anyway.

Int(M-L): +2d10-2d10(+2d10)
Int(D): +2d10-2d10(+2d10)
Int(C): 21d10-2d10(+2d10)
UWF: +1d10-2d10
FWW: +2d10-2d10(+2d10)
SDL: +4d10-2d20
CPAL: +4d10+2d5-2d20
Minor: +2d10-2d10
 
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[X] Plan: Broad Coalition for Futurism with Nukes

Because my plan forgot about RTGs.
 
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