Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)


Because making true, permanent enchanted stuff is very difficult, if not outright impossible, for most DF practitioners.
for 1 - not really. every named wizard enchants things. they even let others use it. harry's cloack, warden swords, potion suzan used.
another - today it's oversupply of talent, not scarcity in DF. WC just doesn't want to move its hidebound, lazy, ass.

also, that's not how it works in rpg either. BS.

Basically, if you teach 3 different sorcerer+ talents enchantment and ask them to make protection - they will. it may not be standardized, but it will protect user.
 
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The newer Hunter's Hunted version does not include Alchemy as a path of Hedge Magic at all.
Going by that you'd have to be a real Wizard or a practicioner with a very specific talent to use it.

[X] Yes, you're feeling generous

-[X] Start talking about how you want to meet the ghost whisperer, that should make her only mildly annoyed
Its in Sorcerer Revised.
And the very first book of the Dresden series, Storm Front, firmly established that hedge mages like Victor Sells could actually mass produce the equivalen of 2-dot alchemical potions and sell them as street drugs.

Thing is, potions have a shelf-life. Cant just stockpile them, they expire.
 
Because I set aside time to look up the whole fomor thing in Werewolf 20th Anniversary, and I have to say Im not impressed.
The things arent really usable as something you'd want as a loyal minion.
dude, it really depends. for one - most of those things made by Wyrm are chaff and literal cannon fodder. Well made combat fomor are something like steel-skinned hivemind solders with integrated machineguns that shoot caustic demon-blood bullets (aggro damage).
Better look at Bakemono examples from KOTE or dedicated fomor.
You'd be better off hiring DF ghouls.
Well - yes. They are creatures of darkness, so all the social discounts apply. Take maggot mana plague and demonic essence supremacy and you can hire them and pay by conjuring supernaturally nutritious and delicious maggots that could feed even their ravenous appetites.
Shit. Just think how many DF nasties are basically supernatural hobos in it for food. XD
 
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for 1 - not really. every named wizard enchants things. they even let others use it. harry's cloack, warden swords, potion suzan used.
another - today it's oversupply of talent, not scarcity in DF. WC just doesn't want to move its hidebound, lazy, ass.
also, that's not how it works in rpg either. BS.

Basically, if you teach 3 different sorcerer+ talents enchantment and ask them to make protection - they will. it may not be standardized, but it will protect user.
Thats not actually true, you know.
The svartalfar are a thing, and will do custom work, yet permanent enchantments are not everywhere.
Permanent enchantments seem to be hard.

Potions are disposable, one use items that take time to make, and they have a shelflife before they lose potency iirc.
Use it or lose it.
 
Thats not actually true, you know.
The svartalfar are a thing, and will do custom work, yet permanent enchantments are not everywhere.
Permanent enchantments seem to be hard.

Potions are disposable, one use items that take time to make, and they have a shelflife before they lose potency iirc.
Use it or lose it.
No need for item that lasts centuries. even several years would be a huge help. especially as mages can 'recharge' them on their own.
What would you prefer, loose a warden with decades of experience in vampire ambush or spend on escape potion?

why is a shelf-life such an argument here? everything has shelf life. Despite that every country spends billions on military things that go bad every year. yes, that is rational.
 
When you have a minimum life expectancy of several centuries, barring accident or misadventure, your perception of time is bound to shift accordingly. If I invest in a brand new car that lasts me 20 years, that's pretty damned good and all it cost me was money. After all, that's probably a quarter of my entire life.

If I'm a wizard and I invest in a temporarily enchanted magic item, even one that lasts 20 years, it might cost at least as much as the hypothetical car (and possibly much more, depending on required reagents and crafting materials) but only function for 5% of my long, long life. It also required a significant time investment, time spent on a side-project that probably doesn't actually have anything to do with my regular day job. After all, most wizards don't actually make a living as wizards.

Considering that most relevant wizards in DF are literally older than the longest lived muggle to have ever existed, they generally also bring their antiquated culture baggage into the modern era, and there wasn't much call back in the olden days for investing huge amounts of resources into items that might only be useable for a few years.

Another issue with producing multiple relatively temporary enchanted items is that each one is handcrafted using one's personal magic. Wizards aren't going to want to have a lot of stuff floating around the community that can fall into an enemy's hands. Not only would such items allow someone to learn about your magic, it could also potentially allow them to track you, counter your spells, counterfeit your magical aura, or use it to target you.

Regardless of why exactly the wizards aren't all equipped like D&D archmages dripping with so much enchanted gear that their magical auras drown out the sun, the fact is that they aren't. Assuming incompetence or laziness is the cause for this situation is baffling and silly, IMO. The White Council has existed for millennia and regularly fights all sorts of supernatural threats. There might be some stuff they could do better, but they wouldn't have made it this far or lasted this long if they were half-assing it.

Basically, if they could, they would, but they can't, so they don't.
 
Considering that most relevant wizards in DF are literally older than the longest lived muggle to have ever existed, they generally also bring their antiquated culture baggage into the modern era, and there wasn't much call back in the olden days for investing huge amounts of resources into items that might only be useable for a few years.
this I completely agree with.
The White Council has existed for millennia and regularly fights all sorts of supernatural threats.
more on small scale, individual bases and from the position of power.
Their are all of maybe 2 enchanters in the WC. It is a rare talent, just like healing magic.
there's no 'healing' magic. there is Biomancy, which is borderline forbidden, dangerous and often gets you dead by wardens.
 
Only consistent healer I can think of is the native American senior council member. Well among wizards that is plenty of shit can heal usually its gonna cost you though. The Archive probably could though that's talking about a child with skill yes, experience yes, and knowledge yes.
 
Thinking of something else about granting merits. I recall it being mentioned that having a very strong life force makes you better at Dresdenverse magic. DP said that we could grant full wizards the Spark of Life merit, so I wonder if there's a synergy there that would make them better wizards when drawing on their own energy to use spells, rather than on ambient energies.

Like I said, this is not a foreign concept in Dresdenfiles magic.
When Harry became Winter Knight, he began channelling magic through himself for straight up superhuman physical performance.
And Listens to Wind combined combat shapeshifting and internal magic boosting to beat a skinwalker in melee.

Its just really specialized, really difficult magic, and like the QM said, without a knack for it, it doesnt make sense for most wizards to bother. Harry has the Winter Knight Mantle giving him a leg up, and Listens to Wind is like one of the premiere Life magic specialists on the White Council.

It doesnt help White Council diplomats to spend time learning this instead of honing their general purpose defensive shields and combat spells. If shit breaks out its going to be tear a hole in the shroud and escape into the Nevernever.
Not try to rely on physical performance.

Things like the mental and social boosts from those versions of the merit are very important though. We don't see human wizards using that kind of thing, it's usually reserved for non-humans. Having it would even the scales in negotiations so they don't have to run, because their negotiations are successful.

I'm not just talking about the physical version here.

Loling at the rose quartz thing.

Here's hoping the QM tweaks them.
Because I set aside time to look up the whole fomor thing in Werewolf 20th Anniversary, and I have to say Im not impressed.
The things arent really usable as something you'd want as a loyal minion.

You'd be better off hiring DF ghouls.

They're worth it for an infernal that's going very loud and making a big and messy splash. They're not something an Infernal that wants to be part of usual polite society uses.

They're mostly disposable shock troops unless you put in lots of effort like Pentex does, and Infernals explicitly can't control what the formor her powers are like come out like, save to a very limited degree with one of the Hell of Boiling Oil charms, and not at all with the rest.
Its in Sorcerer Revised.

The M20 sorcerer book came out on Wednesday. Although they've made mana just name for quintessence, which I slightly disapprove of.
 
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Huh I hope Pentex isn't a thing though now that I think about it there's gotta be at least one corporation with Nemesis infected in its ranks and maybe other monsters of more normal evil variety.

Offhand do infernal exalted have a scry and die method?
 
Loling at the rose quartz thing.

Here's hoping the QM tweaks them.
Because I set aside time to look up the whole fomor thing in Werewolf 20th Anniversary, and I have to say Im not impressed.
The things arent really usable as something you'd want as a loyal minion.

You'd be better off hiring DF ghouls.

1)What in my opinion you are missing is that none of this stuff is happening in a vacuum. No white room scenario.
Molly is a nascent Power that a lot of people will have an interest in getting leverage on, and her immediate family is Protected. And you are about to put her friends kid up for adoption where factions can get at it?

It doesnt matter how good your fosters would be as parents in isolation because they wont get that isolation. People are going to put the mojo on them, or just mundane social and economic pressure.
Asking people to be good parents while being targeted by supernaturals is an unreasonable ask.

2)We are supernaturally persuasive; our Excellency boosted 12 dice social pool is 3x that of the average mortal.
There's good odds we could convince Rosie to get an abortion, shave her head, swear an oath of abstinence and join a convent, even. This is always going to be true of a lot of our interactions going forward.

So we're enjoined to be careful about what arguments we make, and how much information we have to make those arguments.
Because persuasiveness does not mean we are making the right judgement.

And I am not convinced we know better here than Rosie does here what is best for her.
She certainly hasnt asked for our opinion.
And I think its important to note this is her second pregnancy; she's not exactly coming at it cold.

3) Susan's partner, the dude who escorted her to Chicago where she slept with Dresden in Blood Rites, who had her back and nursed her all the way through her pregnancy? Who helped arrange her placing her kid with the Mendozas? That Martin? Was a double agent for the Red Court in the Fellowship of St Giles for two centuries, and a triple agent for himself.
"Martin," Susan said, her voice low and very quiet. "Did you tell them about Maggie?"
He closed his eyes, but his voice was steady. "Yes."


Susan Rodriguez lost her mind.
One instant she was a prisoner, and the next she had twisted like an eel, too swiftly to be easily seen. Martin's machete opened up a long cut on her throat, but she paid as little attention to it as a thorn scratch gained while hiking.Martin raised a hand to block the strike he thought was coming—and it was useless, because Susan didn't go after him swinging.

Instead, her eyes full of darkness and rage, her mouth opened in a scream that showed her extended fangs, she went for his throat.

Martin's eyes were on mine for a fraction of a second. No more. But I felt the soulgaze begin. I saw his agony, the pain of the mortal life he had lost. I saw his years of service, his genuine devotion, like a marble statue of the Red King kept polished and lovingly tended. And I saw his soul change. I saw that image of worship grow tarnished as he spent year after year among those who struggled against the Red King and his empire of terror and misery. And I saw that when he had come into the temple, he knew full well that he wasn't going to survive. And that he was content with it.

There was nothing I could do in time to prevent what was coming next, and I wasn't sure I wanted to. Martin said that it had taken him years and years to run a con on the Fellowship of St. Giles. But it had taken him most of two centuries to run the long con on the Red King. As a former priest, Martin must have known of the bloodline curse, and its potential for destruction. He must have known that the threat to Maggie and the realization of his betrayal would be certain to drive Susan out of control.

He'd told me already, practically the moment he had come to Chicago, that he would do anything if it meant damaging the Red Court. He would have shot me in the back. He would have betrayed Maggie's existence, practically handing her to the murderous bastards. He would betray the Fellowship to its enemies. He would destroy Susan.

And he would die, himself.


Everything he had done, I realized, he had done for one reason: to be sure that I was standing here when it happened. To give me a chance to change everything. Susan rode him to the stone floor, berserk with terror and rage, and tore out his throat, ripping mouthful after mouthful of flesh from his neck with supernatural speed.

Martin died.
It was never the secret Susan thought it was; Martin was there from the conception of the pregnancy as a Red Court agent.
He just decided when to pull the trigger.
Supernaturals can afford to play the long game; never forget it.

4)That is not accurate.
Molly did mindwhammy Nelson and Rosie, but thats not why Rosie's in hospital.

The fetches used Molly's black magic use as a magical navigation beacon to hit Chicago Splattercon; thats why when Dresden reversed the spell, they went after Molly at home. Rosie is in hospital because she's Molly's friend who hung out with her at the same event, and thus was in the general splash radius when Molly was used as a beacon.

Thats the same reason Daniel got beat down by fetches in the same week; he was in the general splash radius.

Noone tried it again in canon because Rosie got shuffled offscreen, along with all of Molly's friends, after Proven Guilty.
Because the book series is about Harry, not Molly.

Also, she was Harry bloody Dresden's apprentice until the end of Changes, and the Leanansidhe's protege after he was killed, which coincided with a period when she cut all ties she could for precisely that reason.
Then she became the Winter Lady.
I had a whole thing written for this, but how about we put a pin in it for now? It feels like we're going to start going in circles.

We disagree on the end state, but since we're all roughly on the same page in terms of what to do for the duration of the pregnancy itself we've got like six to seven months or so to see how the scenario develops.
 
They're mostly disposable shock troops unless you put in lots of effort like Pentex does, and Infernals explicitly can't control what the formor her powers are like come out like, save to a very limited degree with one of the Hell of Boiling Oil charms, and not at all with the rest.
Kakuri one is at least reversible. Also, Fomor can continue developing new powers with time and effort on their own.
 
Huh I hope Pentex isn't a thing though now that I think about it there's gotta be at least one corporation with Nemesis infected in its ranks and maybe other monsters of more normal evil variety.

Offhand do infernal exalted have a scry and die method?

Sorcery Path of Scrying then Path of Conveyance then applying Infernal charms to kill them

Kakuri one is at least reversible. Also, Fomor can continue developing new powers with time and effort on their own.

Some rare Fomor can relatively easily, some can't, if I remember the more detailed (older) rules correctly. There was once a power that allowed a fomor to do so. Developing new powers generally required developing new taints, and worked by strengthening the bane (evil spirit) inside you, by doing the flavour of evil things that empowered them. If you have a spirit of misery inside you, you strengthen it by spreading misery everywhere you go.
 
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We are gonna abuse the scry and die once we can use it so much. Not many things actually have anti scrying in dresden files. Of course that's not zero and at least part of the reason is really good scrying is essentially impossible for wizards and I'm not sure I've heard of any non humans having it outside of forms of intellectus.
 
[X] Yes, you're feeling generous
-[X] Start talking about how you want to meet the ghost whisperer, that should make her only mildly annoyed


I'm tempted to stunt our segue to include teasing him, but if Molly piles on along with his mom and younger siblings then our first job for Mortimer might be getting Daniel in contact with what remains of his dignity.
 
[X] Yes, you're feeling generous
-[x] Start talking about how you want to meet the ghost whisperer, that should make her only mildly annoyed
 
Sorcery Path of Scrying then Path of Conveyance then applying Infernal charms to kill them



Some rare Fomor can relatively easily, some can't, if I remember the more detailed (older) rules correctly. There was once a power that allowed a fomor to do so. Developing new powers generally required developing new taints, and worked by strengthening the bane (evil spirit) inside you, by doing the flavour of evil things that empowered them. If you have a spirit of misery inside you, you strengthen it by spreading misery everywhere you go.

According to the Supplement Riot of the Flesh , which is what EXvsWoD suggests to use for expanded Formori rules Formori power advancement is at the discretion of the storyteller, though it always comes with a new flaw. That said as the informational post says these are not Banes of the Wyrm and this is not World of Darkness.

Reality is, somewhat, better and so the class of spirits are also a bit better. You still have to take flaws to get powers because shoving a dark spirit at a mortal is not as an Khemitic mage would say in accordance to Ma'at, but what flaws you take are not as strongly regulated towards awful as in WoD. You could take pack dependency and curiosity, which can leave you frozen when you do not have your mates and can get you in trouble for sure... but you get superpowers.
 
Welp, not a lot of votes, but this is hardly a high stakes choice. Vote closed, looks like you will try to save Daniel some embarrassment
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 6, 2022 at 12:14 PM, finished with 84 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Yes, you're feeling generous
    -[X] Start talking about how you want to meet the ghost whisperer, that should make her only mildly annoyed
    [X] Nope, none of your business, Daniels didn't even confirm he had a girlfriend to you before this, he's on his own
    [X] Yes, you're feeling generous
    -[X] Mention the atrocity that happened to your dress. Its coming out sooner or later, might as well get the roasting over with.
    [X] Yes, you're feeling generous
 
Welp, not a lot of votes, but this is hardly a high stakes choice. Vote closed, looks like you will try to save Daniel some embarrassment
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 6, 2022 at 12:14 PM, finished with 84 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Yes, you're feeling generous
    -[X] Start talking about how you want to meet the ghost whisperer, that should make her only mildly annoyed
    [X] Nope, none of your business, Daniels didn't even confirm he had a girlfriend to you before this, he's on his own
    [X] Yes, you're feeling generous
    -[X] Mention the atrocity that happened to your dress. Its coming out sooner or later, might as well get the roasting over with.
    [X] Yes, you're feeling generous
I think it's less saving him from embarrassment and more saving it to enjoy later. As is the right of all older siblings.

Who wants to get him a travel sized can of WD40 for unexpectedly noisy doors at some point?

Given who it is it's entirely possible the whole thing was relatively innocent, but his face would probably still explode. :V
 
Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 6, 2022 at 12:14 PM, finished with 84 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Yes, you're feeling generous
    -[X] Start talking about how you want to meet the ghost whisperer, that should make her only mildly annoyed
    [X] Nope, none of your business, Daniels didn't even confirm he had a girlfriend to you before this, he's on his own
    [X] Yes, you're feeling generous
    -[X] Mention the atrocity that happened to your dress. Its coming out sooner or later, might as well get the roasting over with.
    [X] Yes, you're feeling generous
 
Arc 1 Post 32: A Shield in Need
A Shield in Need

12th of July 2006 A.D.

"So mom, I was talking to Father Forthil the other day and I asked him if he knew anyone who knows how to ward against spirits. Do you remember Mortimer Lindquist, he was on that show you liked, the Larry Fowler Show..." As it happens you know your mom hates the Larry Fowler Show and she thinks the host is a crass sensationalist asshole, but that is a believable mistake for you to make and it should hopefully... Yep she is rounding on you as if you had accused her of using store bought whipping cream in her Christmas sponge cake.

You owe me, your look says to Daniel behind her back as she goes off like a firecracker. "I don't watch that trash and you shouldn't either, anyone on there is a fraud out for a quick buck and their fifteen minutes of fame."

Not everyone... Would going off on a Harry tangent get her too angry? You wonder.

Apparently yes and also your powers seem to be really good at annoying someone just the right amount to get them distracted. You're not sure what that says about you.

Lost 1 Essence

"If Father Forthil says he is a real medium and a good person to know about ghosts than means he has to be at least a little on the level right dad?"

"I'm sure he knows what he's talking about," dad replies looking up from his pancakes... well more Hope's pancakes now since mom is distracted and Hope is still vague on the notion of plate ownership especially when she is hungry.

"Why do you need to know about ghosts anyway?" your mother does not let up easy.

"It's one more way to protect myself." She can hardly argue against that.

Not that she does not try of course, but changing tack to know valuable Mortimer Lindquist's time must be when she had just called the man a hack and a fame chaser doesn't really make a strong argument. Still she really does not like to concede an argument so she carries on well ast the point when Daniel had scarfed down his breakfast and scampered.

Another look. You so owe me.

You wonder if you can get telepathy among your other powers, that sounds convenient

***​

School passes swiftly as only daydreaming can carry it. You don;t think you answered in any class besides art and that because you had your last project of the term to hand out, City Landscape no. 199 you might as well have called it. If there is one thing your powers certainly had not enhanced it was your artistry. Still it's art, as long as you actually took the time to do any kind of homework done that puts you in the top half of the class. You have more interesting projects in mind for when you get home...

All through lunch you fidget, hands reaching for tools that aren't there, you hardly taste the food enough to mumble a compliment, the ideas like birds with wings of fire in your mind ready to take flight.

And you are out..."Dad can I use the workshop again, OK thanks."

Lost 2 Essence

The forges spark with eldritch flame, the wheels screech like the joints of a leviathan about the wake, the trip-hammer falls like a meteor of black iron down upon the composite, the molecules specifically designed for just this purpose. If you tried to make a weapon out of these they would shatter, if you tried to make armor plating out of them they would twist... and if you tried to make one big shield out of them well then they would probably do both and you would end up with a face full of shards.

This was not a normal shield.

The framework is spokes of hardened bronze splaying out from a central hub like the rays of an alien sun and the plates of dark composite like blackened silver are slotted on one by one, just the right size to push against each other and resist blows much heaver than even ordinary carbon fiber would take. But the real trick is in the middle. That isn't just a stud of solid bronze behind the starburst, it is a clockwork mechanism designed to wind in the span of thirty seconds or so and spring back at the push of a button. You fold the shield carefully, take a deep breath...

Showtime, it'll either work or literally explode in my face. Tellingly not even Usum tells you it won't explode.

You press the button and the shield unfolds like a deadly fan, it's edge sharp enough to score steel.

Gained Dark Sun Shield
  • Parry difficulty reduced to 4
  • Can serve as a throw weapon with the same characteristics as a dagger at need
  • Anomalous Quality: Can be folded down enough to fit in a purse and unfolds in the same turn it is drawn thanks to the clockwork mechanism
"Score!" you toss the shield in celebration. Alas your throwing has not been improved as much as your sword fighting skills, but you hit the general area you were aiming for and not the window beside it. All's well that ends well...after you fix all the burns, cuts and chemical stains all over the workshop.

You can't wait to show dad what you made tomorrow...

As you open the windows again you realize it's late, like sundown already and you had not even realized it. Ah well you don't really need...

"Hey girl genius I saved you some casserole and ice cream from the rampaging jawas if you want some," Daniel calls from outside.

"Thanks, that's like... 1% of your debt paid," you say cheerfully falling into step beside him.

"Let's say I agree with your assessment, what am I paying the remaining 99% in?" he asks in half serious worry.

"Spill, who's the mystery girl whose bed you already reconnoitered?"

He goes from zero to tomato in no time flat. "I didn't... we didn't..."

"Sleep in a bed?" you ask innocently. "It's more comfortable than the floor I heard."

"You... you're terrible," he accuses, though his lips turn up in a reluctant smile.

"You've known me all your life and now you figure it out?" you ask archly.

"I slept on the couch," he mumbles, not that you really doubted him. Daniel had learned takes after dad in more than the color of his eyes or the way his smile shapes his face. If something more had happened you suspect he would be looking into buying a ring, common sense be damned.

He does get the story out, he met Lydia in karate class, where she is apparently 'really good' though you are inclined to take his judgement on the fact, just like his flattering description of her midnight black hair and perfect smile with a whole heap of salt. Her dad's apparently some kind of investment banker and he is never home, her mom is long since out of the picture, leaving her in the care of a revolving cast of au pairs and tutors and some really weird gaps in her experience. Like 'did not know what Mario was' weird.

"So daddy dearest didn't have the help chase you out with dogs, that's good at least," you joke. "Can I meet her?"

"You're grounded," he points out.

"I'm bored," you counter. "I'm going out to the clubs Saturday with Izzy, you can bring her along, we can all have fun."

"I don't know if Lydia would enjoy your idea of fun," Daniel hedges.

"She doesn't know what my idea of fun is like from what you told me, maybe she'll have a blast and if not you guys can bail I won't mind Izzy sure wouldn't." Honestly you would think all I do is go to raves.

"OK, I'm not helping you sneak out though," your brother says after a moment.

"Don't need it, I have magic," you reply instantly.

"You have sneaking out of being grounded magic," he laughs and shakes his head as if in wonder. "Only you sis, only you..."

"He is most wise to recognize your unique essence my princess," Usum concludes.

***​

13th of July 2006 A.D.

The thirteenth doesn't start off anymore unlucky than any other day, unless you count Hank knocking his eggs and bacon all over you, which you don't. Hank food related accidents happen to someone in the family at least once a week and now was just your turn. And then you get to school...

Gained 3 Essence (Cap)

You don't notice the people messing around at the third floor window, because who looks up when they are just out of their car and hurrying to class? You do notice the scream... and the freshman falling backwards out the window while his friends, phones still in hand look on in horror. He's gonna fall on that car, you realize and unlike the movies the hard metal roof of a car is more likely to break him than break his fall

How do you save the idiot?

[] Rush in as fast as yo can to catch him (Dexterity+Athletics; cannot Use Excellency)
-[] Write in stunt

[] Slice the roof off the car with one stroke of your sword allowing him to land on the soft seats (Dexterity+Melee; can use Excelency)
-[] Write in stunt

[] Write in


OOC: Normally there would also be an option to just let him fall, but that is not really in character for Molly
 
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