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The Lost Primarch Quest

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  • Spirit of Fire

    Votes: 21 47.7%

  • Vigilance

    Votes: 23 52.3%
  • Total voters
    44
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[X] Write-in: Have a Trial period of not only using the Black Brigades and the Sun Guard in conjunction, but using the Shades as a barrier between the two. It won't be easy, and there will be tensions, but the Shades are loyal to you and your sons, and if you say that there must be peace and civility between these two post compliance forces, then peace they will ensure there will be, even if they must keep the respective forces in their respective corners. If you are going to have tools in your belt, best to have both because as much as you might wish the Sun Guard is all you need, there is a reason the Black Brigades are both useful and feared.

[X] Write-in: Oricarius, as he is won't to do, has considered the short and long term consequences of the situation in Tironia, and has written the details to Kesar. The Primarch has considered that not only should the financing be shared by the Generals and Lord Commander Lasmin in a 65/35 split, due to the main onus being with the generals on the ground having performed the action but the Lord Commander's lax discipline allowing the opportunity, but that there should be the creation of the Imperial Restitution Fund out of a similar split to be used for future incidents such as this.
 
No seriously, someone please explain how this fund is supposed to work because right now it sounds like a buffer for people who try to fuck us.
 
[X] Agree - Locks in Terran Sun Guard implementation next turn (Cost: 100 Tech, 1000 Materials, 100 Population). The Terran Sun Guard is a regiment skilled at post-compliance operations, and while they may not squeeze out production, they are skilled at reducing conflict and making planets happier at joining, or at least more accepting.

[X] Write-in: Have a Trial period of not only using the Black Brigades and the Sun Guard in conjunction, but using the Shades as a barrier between the two. It won't be easy, and there will be tensions, but the Shades are loyal to you and your sons, and if you say that there must be peace and civility between these two post compliance forces, then peace they will ensure there will be, even if they must keep the respective forces in their respective corners. If you are going to have tools in your belt, best to have both because as much as you might wish the Sun Guard is all you need, there is a reason the Black Brigades are both useful and feared.

I'm fine with either vote winning

[X] Write-in: Oricarius, as he is won't to do, has considered the short and long term consequences of the situation in Tironia, and has written the details to Kesar. The Primarch has considered that not only should the financing be shared by the Generals and Lord Commander Lasmin in a 65/35 split, due to the main onus being with the generals on the ground having performed the action but the Lord Commander's lax discipline allowing the opportunity, but that there should be the creation of the Imperial Restitution Fund out of a similar split to be used for future incidents such as this
 
[X] Agree - Locks in Terran Sun Guard implementation next turn (Cost: 100 Tech, 1000 Materials, 100 Population). The Terran Sun Guard is a regiment skilled at post-compliance operations, and while they may not squeeze out production, they are skilled at reducing conflict and making planets happier at joining, or at least more accepting.

[X] Write-in: Oricarius, as he is won't to do, has considered the short and long term consequences of the situation in Tironia, and has written the details to Kesar. The Primarch has considered that not only should the financing be shared by the Generals and Lord Commander Lasmin in a 65/35 split, due to the main onus being with the generals on the ground having performed the action but the Lord Commander's lax discipline allowing the opportunity, but that there should be the creation of the Imperial Restitution Fund out of a similar split to be used for future incidents such as this.
 
Ok see that's not helpful then.

The precedent of gouging the offenders is more useful because it places the onus on the actual bad actors, a separate fund, even if derived from previous bad actors just going to be raided or used as a buffer by new ones.
 
Daemon Hunter said:
The way I'm reading it is that it's essentially a reparations fund. So money that's in it is used when the Imperium does something illegal and winds up paying reparations.
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It ensures that the Reconstruction fund isn't used as a cookie jar for people trying to get out of owning up to their mistakes, plus, having the fund be its own thing and having the people that commit the crimes pay into it so that not only are they gouged in the short and long term, but it also ensures that it maintains the precedent we want to set *And* ensures that people can't assume that they can just pay it out of the official fund and be done.

At the very least this ensures that the Imperium won't run out of money for each individual case, and if there's more than a few offenders, the Imperium can then afford to be generous with its terms and providing recompense without killing the punished goose too soon.

This ensures that the Imperium can functionally afford to make things right, punish the offenders, and ensures that suffering regions can be rehabilitated faster than people functionally skimming off the normal reconstruction fund for uplifting.
 
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So new offenders would still be forced to pay into the fund?

What's the advantage of this over just gouging each new offender directly?
 
w34v3r said:
So new offenders would still be forced to pay into the fund?

What's the advantage of this over just gouging each new offender directly?
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Simple, policy and speed. The existence of the fund means that there's a preexisting policy I'm the event this happens, instead of whoever's in charge having to ad hoc it, and an existing fund can pay out reparations much faster than having to liquidate assets from the party responsible
 
And then we turn around and gouge said responsible party to pay for their bill and a bit extra because we're done with their shit?
 
[x] Write-in: Have a Trial period of not only using the Black Brigades and the Sun Guard in conjunction, but using the Shades as a barrier between the two. It won't be easy, and there will be tensions, but the Shades are loyal to you and your sons, and if you say that there must be peace and civility between these two post compliance forces, then peace they will ensure there will be, even if they must keep the respective forces in their respective corners. If you are going to have tools in your belt, best to have both because as much as you might wish the Sun Guard is all you need, there is a reason the Black Brigades are both useful and feared.
[x] Agree - Locks in Terran Sun Guard implementation next turn (Cost: 100 Tech, 1000 Materials, 100 Population). The Terran Sun Guard is a regiment skilled at post-compliance operations, and while they may not squeeze out production, they are skilled at reducing conflict and making planets happier at joining, or at least more accepting.
[x] Write-in: Oricarius, as he is won't to do, has considered the short and long term consequences of the situation in Tironia, and has written the details to Kesar. The Primarch has considered that not only should the financing be shared by the Generals and Lord Commander Lasmin in a 65/35 split, due to the main onus being with the generals on the ground having performed the action but the Lord Commander's lax discipline allowing the opportunity, but that there should be the creation of the Imperial Restitution Fund out of a similar split to be used for future incidents such as this.
 
[x] Write-in: Have a Trial period of not only using the Black Brigades and the Sun Guard in conjunction, but using the Shades as a barrier between the two. It won't be easy, and there will be tensions, but the Shades are loyal to you and your sons, and if you say that there must be peace and civility between these two post compliance forces, then peace they will ensure there will be, even if they must keep the respective forces in their respective corners. If you are going to have tools in your belt, best to have both because as much as you might wish the Sun Guard is all you need, there is a reason the Black Brigades are both useful and feared.

[x] Write-in: Oricarius, as he is won't to do, has considered the short and long term consequences of the situation in Tironia, and has written the details to Kesar. The Primarch has considered that not only should the financing be shared by the Generals and Lord Commander Lasmin in a 65/35 split, due to the main onus being with the generals on the ground having performed the action but the Lord Commander's lax discipline allowing the opportunity, but that there should be the creation of the Imperial Restitution Fund out of a similar split to be used for future incidents such as this.
 
[X] Agree - Locks in Terran Sun Guard implementation next turn (Cost: 100 Tech, 1000 Materials, 100 Population). The Terran Sun Guard is a regiment skilled at post-compliance operations, and while they may not squeeze out production, they are skilled at reducing conflict and making planets happier at joining, or at least more accepting.

[X] Write-in: Oricarius, as he is won't to do, has considered the short and long term consequences of the situation in Tironia, and has written the details to Kesar. The Primarch has considered that not only should the financing be shared by the Generals and Lord Commander Lasmin in a 65/35 split, due to the main onus being with the generals on the ground having performed the action but the Lord Commander's lax discipline allowing the opportunity, but that there should be the creation of the Imperial Restitution Fund out of a similar split to be used for future incidents such as this.
 
[x] Write-in: Have a Trial period of not only using the Black Brigades and the Sun Guard in conjunction, but using the Shades as a barrier between the two. It won't be easy, and there will be tensions, but the Shades are loyal to you and your sons, and if you say that there must be peace and civility between these two post compliance forces, then peace they will ensure there will be, even if they must keep the respective forces in their respective corners. If you are going to have tools in your belt, best to have both because as much as you might wish the Sun Guard is all you need, there is a reason the Black Brigades are both useful and feared.

[x] Write-in: Oricarius, as he is won't to do, has considered the short and long term consequences of the situation in Tironia, and has written the details to Kesar. The Primarch has considered that not only should the financing be shared by the Generals and Lord Commander Lasmin in a 65/35 split, due to the main onus being with the generals on the ground having performed the action but the Lord Commander's lax discipline allowing the opportunity, but that there should be the creation of the Imperial Restitution Fund out of a similar split to be used for future incidents such as this.
 
[X] Write-in: Have a Trial period of not only using the Black Brigades and the Sun Guard in conjunction, but using the Shades as a barrier between the two. It won't be easy, and there will be tensions, but the Shades are loyal to you and your sons, and if you say that there must be peace and civility between these two post compliance forces, then peace they will ensure there will be, even if they must keep the respective forces in their respective corners. If you are going to have tools in your belt, best to have both because as much as you might wish the Sun Guard is all you need, there is a reason the Black Brigades are both useful and feared.

[X] Write-in: Oricarius, as he is won't to do, has considered the short and long term consequences of the situation in Tironia, and has written the details to Kesar. The Primarch has considered that not only should the financing be shared by the Generals and Lord Commander Lasmin in a 65/35 split, due to the main onus being with the generals on the ground having performed the action but the Lord Commander's lax discipline allowing the opportunity, but that there should be the creation of the Imperial Restitution Fund out of a similar split to be used for future incidents such as this.
 
[X] Write-in: Have a Trial period of not only using the Black Brigades and the Sun Guard in conjunction, but using the Shades as a barrier between the two. It won't be easy, and there will be tensions, but the Shades are loyal to you and your sons, and if you say that there must be peace and civility between these two post compliance forces, then peace they will ensure there will be, even if they must keep the respective forces in their respective corners. If you are going to have tools in your belt, best to have both because as much as you might wish the Sun Guard is all you need, there is a reason the Black Brigades are both useful and feared.

[X] Write-in: Oricarius, as he is won't to do, has considered the short and long term consequences of the situation in Tironia, and has written the details to Kesar. The Primarch has considered that not only should the financing be shared by the Generals and Lord Commander Lasmin in a 65/35 split, due to the main onus being with the generals on the ground having performed the action but the Lord Commander's lax discipline allowing the opportunity, but that there should be the creation of the Imperial Restitution Fund out of a similar split to be used for future incidents such as this.
 
...On the one hand, I'm always a fan of including the Shades for the worldbuilding. On the other hand it feels out of character to officially support them (i.e. it becomes a case of "Please ignore the officially sanctioned inclusion of the cult that worships me as a god. They're just fanatical about killing fucking daemons."), and I am very much amused by the idea of making it a tie. Fuck.

[] Agree - Locks in Terran Sun Guard implementation next turn (Cost: 100 Tech, 1000 Materials, 100 Population). The Terran Sun Guard is a regiment skilled at post-compliance operations, and while they may not squeeze out production, they are skilled at reducing conflict and making planets happier at joining, or at least more accepting.

[X] Write-in: Have a Trial period of not only using the Black Brigades and the Sun Guard in conjunction, but using the Shades as a barrier between the two. It won't be easy, and there will be tensions, but the Shades are loyal to you and your sons, and if you say that there must be peace and civility between these two post compliance forces, then peace they will ensure there will be, even if they must keep the respective forces in their respective corners. If you are going to have tools in your belt, best to have both because as much as you might wish the Sun Guard is all you need, there is a reason the Black Brigades are both useful and feared.

[X] Write-in: Oricarius, as he is won't to do, has considered the short and long term consequences of the situation in Tironia, and has written the details to Kesar. The Primarch has considered that not only should the financing be shared by the Generals and Lord Commander Lasmin in a 65/35 split, due to the main onus being with the generals on the ground having performed the action but the Lord Commander's lax discipline allowing the opportunity, but that there should be the creation of the Imperial Restitution Fund out of a similar split to be used for future incidents such as this.
 
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[X] Write-in: Have a Trial period of not only using the Black Brigades and the Sun Guard in conjunction, but using the Shades as a barrier between the two. It won't be easy, and there will be tensions, but the Shades are loyal to you and your sons, and if you say that there must be peace and civility between these two post compliance forces, then peace they will ensure there will be, even if they must keep the respective forces in their respective corners. If you are going to have tools in your belt, best to have both because as much as you might wish the Sun Guard is all you need, there is a reason the Black Brigades are both useful and feared.

[X] Write-in: Oricarius, as he is won't to do, has considered the short and long term consequences of the situation in Tironia, and has written the details to Kesar. The Primarch has considered that not only should the financing be shared by the Generals and Lord Commander Lasmin in a 65/35 split, due to the main onus being with the generals on the ground having performed the action but the Lord Commander's lax discipline allowing the opportunity, but that there should be the creation of the Imperial Restitution Fund out of a similar split to be used for future incidents such as this.
 
[X] Agree - Locks in Terran Sun Guard implementation next turn (Cost: 100 Tech, 1000 Materials, 100 Population). The Terran Sun Guard is a regiment skilled at post-compliance operations, and while they may not squeeze out production, they are skilled at reducing conflict and making planets happier at joining, or at least more accepting.

[X] Write-in: Oricarius, as he is won't to do, has considered the short and long term consequences of the situation in Tironia, and has written the details to Kesar. The Primarch has considered that not only should the financing be shared by the Generals and Lord Commander Lasmin in a 65/35 split, due to the main onus being with the generals on the ground having performed the action but the Lord Commander's lax discipline allowing the opportunity, but that there should be the creation of the Imperial Restitution Fund out of a similar split to be used for future incidents such as this.
 
[X] Write-in: Have a Trial period of not only using the Black Brigades and the Sun Guard in conjunction, but using the Shades as a barrier between the two. It won't be easy, and there will be tensions, but the Shades are loyal to you and your sons, and if you say that there must be peace and civility between these two post compliance forces, then peace they will ensure there will be, even if they must keep the respective forces in their respective corners. If you are going to have tools in your belt, best to have both because as much as you might wish the Sun Guard is all you need, there is a reason the Black Brigades are both useful and feared.

[X] Write-in: Oricarius, as he is won't to do, has considered the short and long term consequences of the situation in Tironia, and has written the details to Kesar. The Primarch has considered that not only should the financing be shared by the Generals and Lord Commander Lasmin in a 65/35 split, due to the main onus being with the generals on the ground having performed the action but the Lord Commander's lax discipline allowing the opportunity, but that there should be the creation of the Imperial Restitution Fund out of a similar split to be used for future incidents such as this.
 
The reason I putting the Shades as a barrier group, among other things, is that they are *loyal* on par with the Kriegers in terms of 'we will do the thing' and if they are meant to keep the peace between the two groups, they will do so. The *only* times it might get complicated is if a Shade joins either group but that would be rare and not nearly enough to make the method invalid.
 
[X] Write-in: Have a Trial period of not only using the Black Brigades and the Sun Guard in conjunction, but using the Shades as a barrier between the two. It won't be easy, and there will be tensions, but the Shades are loyal to you and your sons, and if you say that there must be peace and civility between these two post compliance forces, then peace they will ensure there will be, even if they must keep the respective forces in their respective corners. If you are going to have tools in your belt, best to have both because as much as you might wish the Sun Guard is all you need, there is a reason the Black Brigades are both useful and feared.

[X] Write-in: Oricarius, as he is won't to do, has considered the short and long term consequences of the situation in Tironia, and has written the details to Kesar. The Primarch has considered that not only should the financing be shared by the Generals and Lord Commander Lasmin in a 65/35 split, due to the main onus being with the generals on the ground having performed the action but the Lord Commander's lax discipline allowing the opportunity, but that there should be the creation of the Imperial Restitution Fund out of a similar split to be used for future incidents such as this.

I really don't mind if we lock in or give the Sun Guard a trial period, but this seems more in line with what Kesar wants to do.
 
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