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Kingdom of God: A Quest of Holy Revolution
- Thread starter Cetashwayo
- Start date
- Original Fantasy
Cornuthaum
Be kind to each other.
- Location
- Austria
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I contend: We are revolutionaries, and unless we seek to suborn ourselves to a foreign power to use their lucre to furthertheir ideals alongside our cause, a revolution needs money. To alleviate the suffering of the people, to feed and clothe and arm ourselves, the reality of it is that we must seize the wealth the Patriarchate has squeezed from all Vaspurakan - and foremost amongst those that squeeze are the Jurors. It is both moral and practical to ransom one of them.
Solarstream
It's all in the cards
- Location
- Zombie World
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Take the Komandir hostage and drag him with you to the train.
- Location
- Denmark
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I agree strongly. We are revolutionaries, but we will not be puppets of the Grand Mare or the Great Western Coven. We need money. There can be time for juror justice when we are well-supplied.
- Location
- France
- Pronouns
- She/They
We will never get to the point where funding matters if we start by presenting the face of bandits. It'll make it very easy to dismiss us, at which point having money won't matter much. A gesture to build our credibility will make it much easier to take us seriously, at which point we'll get new openings for income.
- Location
- Phoenix, Arizona
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Hold a Trial in the Juror Tradition.
I've been persuaded.
I've been persuaded.
- Pronouns
- She/They
And I contend that a focus on profit over ethics and diplomacy is the very definition of the word "mercenary", and the only difference between a mercenary and a bandit is whether someone is paying them voluntarily.
There are other means of fundraising, and I maintain that maintaining a revolutionary ethic, both internally and in the eyes of our neighbors, is a better long-term benefit.
Cornuthaum
Be kind to each other.
- Location
- Austria
- Pronouns
- He/Him
To ignore practicalities is to invite death more surely than even dallying around here does. We are escaping prisoners, without shelter, without supplies for the long term, without life essentials. What we have in surplus right now are guns - the tool of our revolution - but these too need maintenance and bullets. And our goal is blessed Nachivan, leagues to the south; do you suggest we feast on self-righteousness on the way there as the children starve?
- Location
- Denmark
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Bandits do that because it works. They are called bandits because they fail. Doing a juror trial and lacking money will just make us poor bandits. We are bandits as long as we oppose the false law of the Patriarchate.
I would like to remind my fellow disciple that the entire impetus of the prison break is that we are technically pardoned of all sectarian crimes for the duration of the Sanhedron and were being held illegally. Our plan for not being re-captured seems to be roughly: be not viewed as bandits once more people know about us, forcing the Jurors to let us go free due to the weight of public opinion. As such, this statement seems... disingenous.
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- Location
- Denmark
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Until the lying jurors promise us our rightful freedom and the Patriarch himself confirms it, bandits we will be. Our ability to go free during the Sanhedron rests solely on our ability to remain free and alive. If we die or are recaptured during that duration, then mark my words, bandits we will be.
- Location
- USA
Will the villains who sit perched in holy Nachivan care that we play-acted at their false laws? Or will they merely take the opportunity to spread their lies and blasphemy, to put sinful steel in the hands of soldiers?
My friends, we carry the banner of sacred rebellion. To not honor its purpose would be to bring shame upon God!
My friends, we carry the banner of sacred rebellion. To not honor its purpose would be to bring shame upon God!
Cornuthaum
Be kind to each other.
- Location
- Austria
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The reaction of said jurors having been to put their fingers in their ears and going lalalalala whenever the topic of actually releasing us came up, yes.
Even if the Patriarch is serious about the pardon, do you think most of the people making up the actual power structure of Vaspurakan will care a single fuck about that? We, what we stand for and what we fight for, represent an existential threat to the selfsame power structure which they derive their livelihoods from. Livelihoods, mind you, of robber barons enserfing hundreds of thousands if not millions to build their railroads and fund their banks.
They will find charges to press against us and put us against a wall. Our plan to not get re-captured relies on speed. This is pre-electrification! News travels no faster than a train! A train we mean to board. To fuck off and fade into the teeming masses of Vaspurakan on pilgrimage to Nachivan, because we can say with absolute honesty that we are bound there by faith and for the Sanhedron when someone asks why an entire group of believers, children and all, picked up and left!
To stay is to give the news of what we did time to spread; and an empire as vast as Vaspurakan is nothing if not extremely well versed in crushing small-to-mid size rebellions.
Discipline, speed and practicality must be our guides now. So that we can live and raise the Six-Shin in the future.
Actually no, telegrams exist. Electrified weaponry does not yet exist, thank God in Heaven.
Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
We do not seek war, but we alongside all the suffering people have been forced into such. So we must be prepared to act as such.
This false Komandir who pretends to speak for the word of Law and Justice has profited off being a leech for as long as we have known him. Had he been willing to act on the words of the Patriarch and the Decrees of God like the Jurors of Old, how could he be in chains right now? The People of Xococo defied him of their own will, his own Jurors defected to us, and we, his penitents those he was supposed to shepherd and guide have all turned against him.
Some among the brothers and sisters say that holding a trial would convince Jurors to join with us? Perhaps. But that is pure formalism, and through that method the only Jurors we would attract are those same materialistic Jurors who hold the world in debt bondage. We do not need such men and women, who have betrayed God and their own morality upon the altar greed and the attire of power. We do not need so-called Jurors who merely play-act as the rightful arms of the Divine Kingdom.
I say that holding the Komandir hostage, showing to the world that justice is nigh and will not be delayed by the same systems that have devoured the marrows of the countryside and cities will in fact attract Jurors to us. The true Jurors. Those who remember that their holy mission is to defend.
[X] Take the Komandir hostage and drag him with you to the train.
This false Komandir who pretends to speak for the word of Law and Justice has profited off being a leech for as long as we have known him. Had he been willing to act on the words of the Patriarch and the Decrees of God like the Jurors of Old, how could he be in chains right now? The People of Xococo defied him of their own will, his own Jurors defected to us, and we, his penitents those he was supposed to shepherd and guide have all turned against him.
Some among the brothers and sisters say that holding a trial would convince Jurors to join with us? Perhaps. But that is pure formalism, and through that method the only Jurors we would attract are those same materialistic Jurors who hold the world in debt bondage. We do not need such men and women, who have betrayed God and their own morality upon the altar greed and the attire of power. We do not need so-called Jurors who merely play-act as the rightful arms of the Divine Kingdom.
I say that holding the Komandir hostage, showing to the world that justice is nigh and will not be delayed by the same systems that have devoured the marrows of the countryside and cities will in fact attract Jurors to us. The true Jurors. Those who remember that their holy mission is to defend.
[X] Take the Komandir hostage and drag him with you to the train.
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Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
- Location
- Across the Horizon
The telegram line, just to be clear, extends to the railway station and no farther. I will edit that to be clearer.
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Presumably this should be edited as well then, since it implies other stations could have been warned of our prison break (but the train is too far along towards us for them to warn it in time), by my reading at least.
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- Pronouns
- She/They
I can, at least, acknowledge that speed and strategic initiative are factors here. To me, those are much better arguments for taking the Komandir than the prospective of a kidnapping-funded rebellion. I'll cede to majority vote, of course, I just don't want us to get in the habit of making moves that will decrease the public's sympathy for us just because there's some temporal resources behind it.
Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
How else do you think rebellions fund themselves? A Large and well-estalibshed tax base with trustworthy tax collectors?
- Location
- France
- Pronouns
- She/They
- Pronouns
- She/They
That's certainly plausible in a remote enough area with sufficient public sympathy, as is funding from a foreign interest as mentioned before. We will likely have to fall back on pillage and ransom as any army on the march does, but going out of our way for it, immediately, just because we smelled coin on a commandant sets a precedent that we should be wary of.
If our operative plan to not be re-imprisoned is to shame the opposition into letting us go free, then it behooves us to not aspire to be the ideal of bandithood. I do agree that we should leave this location posthaste, before our grand escape can be muffled away by the vile Jurors, but do not entirely agree with the criminal ambitions of some of my fellow disciples.
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