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Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

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    • imma go with this one.

    [X] Plan Vassal Synergies
    -[X] The Ma Clan
    -[X] The Scorpion Trade Palace
    -[X] Unification
    -[X] Rebuild the Bandit Kingdoms

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    Thanks Gore!
     
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    TheCount said:
    imma go with this one.

    Plan Vassal Synergies
    -[X] The Ma Clan
    -[X] The Scorpion Trade Palace
    -[X] Unification
    -[X] Rebuild the Bandit Kingdoms
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    Needs a [. X] at the front. Like this:

    [X] Plan Vassal Synergies
    -[X] The Ma Clan
    -[X] The Scorpion Trade Palace
    -[X] Unification
    -[X] Rebuild the Bandit Kingdoms

    I much prefer this. We get the Ma, reward our allies, form a stronger vassal and grow our ties with our vassals. All good in my books, and has some long-time growth to go with the immediate growth as well.
     
    Say, I started reading recently and noticed a few that go 13th heavenstage and than single piller path, I am curious if someone is trying for Emperor's Pillar, as I didn't notice anyone trying for it (admittedly I started reading very recently and didn't see all good seeds yet).
     
    uri said:
    [X] Plan The Short and Long of it
    -[X] The Great Auction
    -[X] The Scorpion Trade Palace
    -[X] Unification
    -[X] Rebuild the Bandit Kingdoms


    In my opinion, the great auction is the best of the three options, not because of the expansive and powerful treasures it offers – which are useful- but because of the new vessels we might gain and the unique specialties they might possess.

    True, they will be loyal in name only but loyally can be improved. In fact, we have an option to passively increase the loyalty of all of our vassals every turn in this vote. and there are options to activly increase loyalty, like we did with the strokes.
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    Trying to leverage unique vassal specialties clashes with the new vassals being much more independent. The option explicitly gives them nominal autonomy in return for their treasures. Building up their loyalty and obligation enough to contribute their strength would require multiple turns, and that's valuable time spent relatively unproductively.

    Contrast that with Coloneia, it compounds our previous choice for long-term growth. Increased population scales with Blood of Silver and Oasis Formation.

    Gore17 said:
    Needs a [. X] at the front. Like this:

    [X] Plan Vassal Synergies
    -[X] The Ma Clan
    -[X] The Scorpion Trade Palace
    -[X] Unification
    -[X] Rebuild the Bandit Kingdoms

    I much prefer this. We get the Ma, reward our allies, form a stronger vassal and grow our ties with our vassals. All good in my books, and has some long-time growth to go with the immediate growth as well.
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    Just keep in mind taking in the Ma Clan will be a diplomatic clusterfuck to navigate. They aren't going to give up their Righteous Path identity/connections and will be unruly vassals to integrate since they still plan on returning to the Plains. Not to mention the risk of Blood Path outbreaks if they prove unable to clean up the bandit-infested Southlands.
    It also creates a vector for Righteous Path manipulation & espionage with the Ma Clan as an direct intermediary.
     
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    ROTH963 said:
    Say, I started reading recently and noticed a few that go 13th heavenstage and than single piller path, I am curious if someone is trying for Emperor's Pillar, as I didn't notice anyone trying for it (admittedly I started reading very recently and didn't see all good seeds yet).
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    13th heavenstage and SP is quicker to reach than emperor's pillar.
    9th Prince is going for it for sure, and iirc Katha as well?
    Currently Minervina is the closest, reaching the 8th pillar around.... next trial, i think? barring really bad rolls.
     
    Resonant said:
    Just keep in mind taking in the Ma Clan will be a diplomatic clusterfuck to navigate. They aren't going to give up their Righteous Path identity/connections and will be unruly vassals to integrate since they still plan on returning to the Plains. Not to mention the risk of Blood Path outbreaks if they prove unable to clean up the bandit-infested Southlands.
    It also creates a vector for Righteous Path manipulation & espionage with the Ma Clan as an direct intermediary.
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    So further diplomacy with the RP, where if we fail to win their loyalty sufficiently they clear out and leave the land to us?

    And I can't find where the espionage thing is stated, but even then, we know where to look.
     
    Resonant said:
    Trying to leverage unique vassal specialties clashes with the new vassals being much more independent. The option explicitly gives them nominal autonomy in return for their treasures. Building up their loyalty and obligation enough to contribute their strength would require multiple turns, and that's valuable time spent relatively unproductively.
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    The various options are taken on their independent merit.

    Colonia gives little returns within game time. Ma Clan comes with tangled loyalties. The ability to have access to 10 purchase of unique treasures is worth a pick.

    The Scorpion Sect in military strength tops out at a static two legions equivalent whereas the Trade Palace provides a consistent buff to vassal loyalty which will be synergistic with Casia as Nascent.

    Unification makes a vassal more useful particularly when we have buffs to loyalty on the background.
     
    Another synergy to consider is that in terms of the big picture, there was almost unanimous support for the goal of saving up for the technique palace, which will have us committed to economic actions for two more turns.

    Combined with Scorpion Trading, this could supercharge the development of The Coloneia and have a few of those theoretical 12 homegrown legions ready for the Cannibal deadline.

    Then again, in the interest of fairness, there's also synergy going the other way. The Storks used to be part of Gemstone Justice, which bordered on the Ma Clan. Seeing their former neighbours thrive might convince them to stay . . . and form a power bloc large enough to make demands at an inconvenient time. >_>

    Edit: Jinx. Haha . . . *nervously looks around* . . .
     
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    @occipitallobe if we were to adopt the Ma clan, what else would we get from the population and the 10 legion worth of forces at the Great battlefield?
    Like, would they share some of their cavalry stuff with us?
     
    Gore17 said:
    So further diplomacy with the RP, where if we fail to win their loyalty sufficiently they clear out and leave the land to us?

    And I can't find where the espionage thing is stated, but even then, we know where to look.
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    Further diplomatic entanglements with the RP as the Ma Clan will remain a Righteous-aligned vassal. That's an important distinction, because unlike the Stork Clans, they'll refuse to fully integrate with us since that means turning Demonic.

    Their long-term plan of returning to the Plains means they'll be temporary guests at best, and we won't have as much authority/jurisdiction over them. Espionage isn't directly stated but it's rather obvious that Ma Clan will maintain their Righteous connections, which provides the RP another avenue for collecting intel on us.

    Insane-Not-Crazy said:
    The various options are taken on their independent merit.

    Colonia gives little returns within game time. Ma Clan comes with tangled loyalties. The ability to have access to 10 purchase of unique treasures is worth a pick.

    The Scorpion Sect in military strength tops out at a static two legions equivalent whereas the Trade Palace provides a consistent buff to vassal loyalty which will be synergistic with Casia as Nascent.

    Unification makes a vassal more useful particularly when we have buffs to loyalty on the background.
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    Coloneia boosts our Cultivator Growth Rate because that scales with the capacity increase. The Southlands aren't particularly rich but it's still a substantial chunk of income, increasing the Clan's revenue. That's great synergy when paired with Underground Devil Fortress + Oasis Formation + Silver Blood!

    A greater replacement rate means stronger insurance against the upcoming Trials, greater flexibility for potential military operations, greater chance of seeing Silver Core Elders, etc...

    The one issue is that Unifying the Sixty Kingdoms is probably not a good idea. Their position in the middle of Clan territory means there's not much threat from Blood Path rebellions. Unifying makes them less loyal to the Clan since they've got less incentives to depend on us.

    It's better to Scatter the Sixty Kingdoms, so the Clan can slowly assimilate, integrate and engender loyalty from our new vassals.
     
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