[X] What do you mean, help us?
[X] Who are you, really?


I feel the 'Why' is relatively clear already.
 
[X] Write-in: Why did you decide there was no better alternative?

We have an fairly decent idea of what drove them to such lengths, but one thing we still don't understand is the thought process that made them decide the current state of affairs was the best possible solution, and we still don't have the full context. I want to hear from them personally why they decided to do a literal 180 on their previous policies.
 
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[X] Who are you, really?
[X] Write-in: Why did you decide there was no better alternative?
[X] Write-in: Explain (our side of things)
 
The War of the Hjivin Sphere - Part 2
Covering the full detail of the Battle of the Burning Line would take historians decades. Suffice to say that it began a full century and a quarter before it was ended, inflicted a cost in lives numbering in the hundreds of millions, and reduced forty of the seventy-three Shiplord border systems to burnt-out shells of their former glory. It was high intensity warfare on a scale that had never been conducted before and has never been matched since, fuelled by dozens of stellar converters on both sides.

It ended with the destruction of the Hjivin's local logistical base, at the hands of a series of strikes by the entire War Fleet strength of the Shiplord-led coalition and the first predecessors to the Lumen class stellar disruptor. The decision to employ these weapons was one that consumed Shiplord society for decades even as the Hjivin pressed hard on their defences, threatening more than once to breach the wall of fortress systems and rampage deeper into the Shiplord core worlds.

Although many would sometimes attempt to argue otherwise, the final word in that decision was a brutal mathematical analysis that outlined the full probable cost to the Shiplords if they attempted to force the Hjivin back using only conventional forces.

It could have been done. Despite all the attempts of the Sphere to level the technological playing field, the Shiplords held a solid edge that would have eventually proven decisive. But it would have cost tens of billions of lives across millennia of war, and faced with such an outcome, a heartsick Shiplord population approved the deployment of these new and terrible weapons. Five cycles later, the Shiplords intensified their defensive operations in a move calculated to provoke a response from the Sphere.

They paid a bloody price to open the door for their counterattack, but it was a sacrifice that had to be made to draw the Hjivin's War Fleets into battle across the Burning Line. With their deployment confirmed, and thousands of Shiplords and their allies dying every minute to keep them there, the Shiplords committed the full strength of their own War Fleets. Not to the Burning Line, but to eight key logistical bases beyond it that allowed the Sphere to swiftly replenish its forces, and maintain the brutal intensity of their assault.

Even with total surprise, the War Fleets of the Shiplords' coalition did not prevail unscathed. War Fleets are impossibly quick to any who do not possess them, and the Hjivin commanders realised what their enemies were attempting very swiftly. They'd never constructed stellar disruptors, but they could recognise the physics involved, and they reacted appropriately. Of the twenty-four stellar disruptors deployed by the Shiplord in this assault, only ten managed to escape, and their War Fleet escorts suffered significant losses to protect them. Yet as terrible as those losses were, the consequences for the Sphere were endlessly worse. Eight stellar shipyards burned across the space of hours, and the Hjivin attacks screeched to a deafening halt as the number of jumps to their nearest source of reinforcements increased by a factor of two.

Faced with the ruin of their supply base, the Sphere withdrew those forces they could from the Burning Line in good order, retreating back into easy logistical range of their next line of converters. And brilliant, pitiless minds turned to the task of replicating the Shiplord weapons.

It would take two centuries more for the Hjivin to be driven from the intermediate space between their initial borders and those of the Shiplords, and more than twenty stars would burn in the process. Some, most even, proved to be Hjivin shipyards or supply bases. Some, however, were not. As the Shiplords pushed back, they were forced to mimic the Hjivin strategic playbook, establishing their own converters to support their advance. And this provided the rapidly developed Hjivin starkillers with targets of their own.

It remains unclear exactly when the Hjivin started experimenting with creating an Uninvolved, but what is known to the Shiplords makes for brief reading. The process likely began as the true nature of the war asserted itself. The Hjivin had believed the Shiplords incapable of matching their industrial strength, and this proved an ultimately terminal error in their strategy. The Shiplords did not just expand their own forces with wild abandon, but once their industry had pivoted, armed their allies with War and Regular Fleet craft of their own, too. It is in the realisation of this miscalculation that many analysts believe the Hjivin's insanity was born.

Whatever the truth of the matter might be, the Shiplords and their allies were still in the process of breaching deeper into Hjivin space when the Uninvolved acted. Sensor data shows entire fleets wiped from the skies, worlds cleansed in moments of Hjivin life, along with every other member of their species. The original biomes of those planets were strangely untouched, except in those places where Second Secret manipulation had been applied to elements of it for the Sphere's benefit. In those places, these modifications and the strains resulting from it were also annihilated without a trace.

It is telling that the Shiplords' response to the Uninvolved's action was a silence so absolute that none attempted to breach it. A coalition War Fleet made its way at max drive into the heart of Hjivin space, to be met by an incarnation of the Uninvolved. The entity's explanations were accepted, but the Shiplords are known to have conducted several private interactions with the being before it departed. The content of these discussions are not included within the simulation data.

In the cycles that followed, the Shiplords and their allies would conduct full investigations of all previously inhabited Hjivin worlds. They would disassemble the vast battery of Stellar Convertors that had fuelled their enemy's invasion, and delve deep into the Second Secret to heal the scattered survivors of the Hjivin's conquests. Not all of these attempts would prove successful, but they were pursued nonetheless, and with the full sweep of the Shiplords' mastery of the Secrets.

Their vast, stellar-scale construction ships would be deployed again, to rebuild the shattered star systems of the races that had once called them home. A full third of those species would never return home except aboard burial ships. But they would return to the worlds that they had known, the Shiplords made sure of that.

Finally, the Shiplords embarked on a then-secret development program. Their goal was simple, and inevitably successful: to create weapons capable of attacking and destroying an Uninvolved. If the program was begun on the basis of defence or offence is impossible to determine, but its success is one of the pillars upon which modern Shiplord dominance of the galaxy is built. If escaping the material world isn't enough to outrun the threat of oblivion at Shiplord hands, what could be?
 
Not as in-depth as I could have gone, but going through the blow-by-blow of the Battle of the Burning Line would have taken several thousand words to say the same thing as I did in one paragraph. Just didn't seem sensible.

But there you have it. How the war turned, and how it ended. And with that:

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inflicted a cost in lives numbering in the hundreds of millions, and reduced forty of the seventy-three Shiplord border systems to burnt-out shells of their former glory.
That's a pretty low population density

edit: also, since Secrets seem to be invoked by the soul at some level, I wonder if that is why the attack propagated through everything the Hivjn made with the Second Secret. This soul-deep link possibly also partially explains how the Dragons were able to meddle with humanity's souls to make Practice. Alternatively, it could just be a matter of the Hivjn psuedo-hivemind being a default design addition to things they made with the Second Secret
 
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[X] Who are you, really?

Important to know who we're speaking to and in what capacity before we start talking about what we can do for each other.

Also, really excited that we went from pure stealth and research to interaction. Even if by accident.
 
It is telling that the Shiplords' response to the Uninvolved's action was a silence so absolute that none attempted to breach it. A coalition War Fleet made its way at max drive into the heart of Hjivin space, to be met by an incarnation of the Uninvolved. The entity's explanations were accepted, but the Shiplords are known to have conducted several private interactions with the being before it departed. The content of these discussions are not included within the simulation data.

Finally, the Shiplords embarked on a then-secret development program. Their goal was simple, and inevitably successful: to create weapons capable of attacking and destroying an Uninvolved. If the program was begun on the basis of defence or offence is impossible to determine, but its success is one of the pillars upon which modern Shiplord dominance of the galaxy is built. If escaping the material world isn't enough to outrun the threat of oblivion at Shiplord hands, what could be?
The slippery slope is not a moment, but a process. The myriad of choices slowly warping someone into someone who they weren't and would have been disgusted by, before.

I do not believe that the weapons were built to punish the Uninvolved. Rather, they were built so that there would not be a need for another Involvement. Where before, Hjivin ascending would have spelled end of the Shiplords, after the weapons development they had the means to fight off the Deviant Uninvolved on their own.

The tragedy of Hjivin Sphere, I think, is that it broke the Shiplords into believing that Secrets need to be controlled.

But the question that is yet not answered is this.

[X] How did your people go from using Contact Fleets for the First Contact, to using Tribute Fleets? We have witnessed the Hjivin and the Zlathbu, but we see no answer just yet.
 
Considering that the Uninvolved had to jump through a few hoops to talk to Amanda without giving off any suspicious energy signals, and Amanda was the only human for whom that was possible, I wonder what it must have felt like to the Shiplords when an Uninvolved spoke to them.
 
Considering that the Uninvolved had to jump through a few hoops to talk to Amanda without giving off any suspicious energy signals, and Amanda was the only human for whom that was possible, I wonder what it must have felt like to the Shiplords when an Uninvolved spoke to them.
In fairness, this was before those monitoring systems and the like were made. But it was definitely an experience.
 
the first predecessors to the Lumen class stellar disruptor. The decision to employ these weapons was one that consumed Shiplord society for decades even as the Hjivin pressed hard on their defences, threatening more than once to breach the wall of fortress systems and rampage deeper into the Shiplord core worlds.

The stellar disruptor is now standard operating procedure.
They invented it to destroy logistical stations that used stars as fuel, an ultimate form of asset denial.
It still horrified them so much they almost didn't use it, against a truly monstrous foe.
This week, they tried to use it on humanity for, functionally, threatening Shiplord hegemony by not suffering enough, despite meeting every expressed demand and law.

Kicha stands watch over a monument to the Shiplord descent into horror, and all she has for comfort is the knowledge that do, in fact, largely feel pretty bad about it. But then go do these horrors anyway.

"You did not believe that we could be so old, and not come in war or treachery. But you are hiding something on the worlds below, and all the rest. We may be ancient, Speaker for the Hjivin, but we are not decrepit."

Sentences layered thick enough with historical irony that there's Shiplords who will probably have nervous breakdowns upon watching the replay of this footage just from this part alone. Mandy's saying this while pretending to be a Shiplord (who these days make a point of only coming in war) while looking into what they (the Shiplords) are hiding on the worlds below and all the rest (in the isolated memorial systems) as she pulls near-solar level diplomatic skills out and talks about her age when she's not even a century old yet. The deeper you go here, the harder the whiplash hits the Shiplord audience.

"I choose the truth." The reply came easily, the meaning behind it even more so. "I choose to know you, as you are, behind the facade. As I must, if we are to ever forge agreements deeper than our greetings."

"I can guess, if you wish. But I would prefer your words, Speaker."

"Our words?" The Speaker spoke in what was nearly a growl, the lines of its face hard. "You would know us? You would think you could? We are the Sphere, we are the worlds, and all upon them serve us."

Conversations tragically reminiscent of every scrap of communication Amanda has had to force the Shiplords to deign to interact with her up until this point.
 
Kicha stands watch over a monument to the Shiplord descent into horror, and all she has for comfort is the knowledge that do, in fact, largely feel pretty bad about it. But then go do these horrors anyway.

Not much of a comfort, really. There's...more to this, mind, which is why she's here making contact. I'm very excited to actually get into that conversation.
 
[JK] Write-in?
- Seduce her. Try and get her in a three-way with you and Mary.
- Humans are known for their irresistible allure and charisma.

[X] How did your people go from using Contact Fleets for the First Contact, to using Tribute Fleets? We have witnessed the Hjivin and the Zlathbu, but we see no answer just yet.
 
[x] Who are you, really?

This has so many levels, all of them good:
* Who is she, personally?
* Who is she, that she's approaching an intruder peacefully instead of with hostility?
* Who is she, that she would swear her life in service to us?
* Who is she, that this kind of thing means so much to her?
 
Yeah... "moral calculus" is the phrase that comes to mind at this point for the Shiplords. Shut up and calculate. There is no room for emotion. Choke down the trauma, block it out, partition it into a separate part of your soul, and make the hard choices that you have to make to save the most lives you can, no matter how much it costs.
 
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