Of Lords and their Legions (A Necron Overlord Quest)

BigFungus26 · Nov 16, 2020

Oof. One way or another this will be a fascinating experience
Are there any precautions we can take to the 'negotiations' so we dont end up blindsided by the imperials again like with the planetary governor?
Also, before i forget, are there any space marines in the battlefleet or are they off fighting Orks?

Valmond · Nov 16, 2020

I'm kinda tempted by talking to the Inquisitor.
It is one hundred percent a trap.
But still tempted.
Probably best to just give them a day and then turn on the Bane.

Azurath · Nov 16, 2020

Look on the bright side, even in the event of a trap we get to play as the heir.

Nicholas Brooks · Nov 16, 2020

Azurath said:
Look on the bright side, even in the event of a trap we get to play as the heir.

True. And at the moment we're so heavily outnumbered that I doubt we could fight them off so we may as well try for the diplomatic route.

Valmond · Nov 16, 2020

Nicholas Brooks said:
True. And at the moment we're so heavily outnumbered that I doubt we could fight them off so we may as well try for the diplomatic route.

Hard to say, the Bane could tilt the scales a lot in our favor.
Presence of an inquisitor is worrying, presence of one who knows us even more so...
I don't really have a firm grasp on how badly we are outnumbered, or how much better our ships are, and how those two things balance out.

Either do diplomacy, wait a day without Bane, or wait a day with Bane active.
We could prbably argue that humans are unworthy of consideration for truce's, but that would go against our previous stances and might come bite us in the back even if succesful, so not really feeling the attack at once option.

Azurath · Nov 16, 2020

Nicholas Brooks said:
True. And at the moment we're so heavily outnumbered that I doubt we could fight them off so we may as well try for the diplomatic route.

Na, Necron ships routinely fight fleets larger then them. We can and should be able to easily destroy this battlefleet. The problem is that we know they know where we live. So they have leverage over us but it's not all bad. Speaking to a rational inquisitor will do wonders for our odds of getting a treaty with the Imperium.

Always Late · Nov 16, 2020

Katana1515 said:
so references to literally dozens of Capital Ships kind of blew my mind.

It's also unhelpful when the "literally can be made by medieval peasants and number in the thousands per sector fleet" Dauntless is also considered as much a capital ship as the "the last remnant of when the Imperium remembered carrier warfare" Emperor Class.

Azurath said:
Speaking to a rational inquisitor will do wonders for our odds of getting a treaty with the Imperium.

Speaking of "Rational", I am surprised we didn't get an option to demand the Inquisitor prove their credentials as a Triarch-sanctioned species.

Nicholas Brooks · Nov 16, 2020

Azurath said:
Na, Necron ships routinely fight fleets larger then them. We can and should be able to easily destroy this battlefleet. The problem is that we know they know where we live. So they have leverage over us but it's not all bad. Speaking to a rational inquisitor will do wonders for our odds of getting a treaty with the Imperium.

I don't think we could do so well against one like this

Lonkas said:
The fleet itself is composed of near a dozen capital ships. Two ships near matching the battleship in size take position at the centre of the formation, while toward the flanks of the fleet near two dozen cruisers of various classes add weight to the enemy formation.

So that's two Battlecruisers/Battleships, 10 or so Heavy Cruisers, 20 to 25 Cruisers, and probably a fair few Escorts. Meanwhile, we have 4 Escorts, 4 Light Cruisers, 2 Scythes, and 1 Cairn plus 1 Imperial Cruiser and Light Cruiser. Now, if we have already received the vessels from the Prince then disregard that, but assuming they aren't here yet we're looking at quite a tough fight.

carterhall · Nov 16, 2020

With phasing, living armor, and other such abilities, I think it's worth the risk to have a meeting. Levnekh is already an iconoclast thanks to the Sirano. If the Imperium wants to offer tribute, or allow itself to be directed to other Xeno targets, sounds like a win-win.

Azurath · Nov 16, 2020

Nicholas Brooks said:
I don't think we could do so well against one like this

So that's two Battlecruisers/Battleships, 10 or so Heavy Cruisers, 20 to 25 Cruisers, and probably a fair few Escorts. Meanwhile, we have 4 Escorts, 4 Light Cruisers, 2 Scythes, and 1 Cairn plus 1 Imperial Cruiser and Light Cruiser. Now, if we have already received the vessels from the Prince then disregard that, but assuming they aren't here yet we're looking at quite a tough fight.

No, it's in the update. They are with us as well.

Edit: Furthermore, we hold the strategic initiative. We can disengage and engage at Will with our ftl drives, while the Imperium is forced to move as fast as their slowest ship. That and they would be on a timer (superweapon). We have so much technological advantages as well (regenerating armor, respawning boarders, etc).

Nicholas Brooks · Nov 16, 2020

Azurath said:
No, it's in the update. They are with us as well.

Ah, must've missed that. My bad.

RandomDwarf · Nov 16, 2020

We should demand the credentials, hey may act as a nemesor, but do they REALLY understand the position itself? And where is her pharon then? If he cannot accept a meeting then it is pointless for this exchange to happen.

Also I doubt she has at least 5 different mutal assured destruction devices on her at all times.

So yeah...we push to see her credentials, her dynasty, as well as the sanction rights that the human species has as a necrontyr house. If so this is a trap option because now if she provides them she is intruding on our turf and thus we can demand recompose.

Nicholas Brooks · Nov 16, 2020

RandomDwarf said:
We should demand the credentials, hey may act as a nemesor, but do they REALLY understand the position itself? And where is her pharon then? If he cannot accept a meeting then it is pointless for this exchange to happen.

Also I doubt she has at least 5 different mutal assured destruction devices on her at all times.

So yeah...we push to see her credentials, her dynasty, as well as the sanction rights that the human species has as a necrontyr house. If so this is a trap option because now if she provides them she is intruding on our turf and thus we can demand recompose.

Also, an Inquisitor's duties make the title "Nemesor" unfitting. Yes they command vast military forces but their purpose is broadly speaking investigation and internal policing. A Lord General or Admiral can command military forces but an Inquisitor finds and roots out Heresy.

Seeker Jk · Nov 16, 2020

Inquisitors are not stupid, she's reasonable too, so why not?

Also we can press for more info during the negotiation.

Lonkas · Nov 16, 2020

Always Late said:
It's also unhelpful when the "literally can be made by medieval peasants and number in the thousands per sector fleet" Dauntless is also considered as much a capital ship as the "the last remnant of when the Imperium remembered carrier warfare" Emperor Class.

Speaking of "Rational", I am surprised we didn't get an option to demand the Inquisitor prove their credentials as a Triarch-sanctioned species.

Yeah by capital ship I am referencing anything from cruiser upward. Light cruisers arn't counted though.

She's also not claiming to be a Triarch sanctioned species. I have been a bit opaque, it is true but what she is claiming to be is an "honorable enemy". Capable of reason as much as the old ones.

Nicholas Brooks said:
Also, an Inquisitor's duties make the title "Nemesor" unfitting. Yes they command vast military forces but their purpose is broadly speaking investigation and internal policing. A Lord General or Admiral can command military forces but an Inquisitor finds and roots out Heresy.

She's using Nemessor here to indicate that she speaks with the authority of a Nemessor. And is empowered highly enough to conduct talks with an overlords. The titles don't map 1-1, but the abilities and powers of each are close enough that it makes sense.

Lonkas · Nov 16, 2020

SideVermin13 said:
Oof. One way or another this will be a fascinating experience
Are there any precautions we can take to the 'negotiations' so we dont end up blindsided by the imperials again like with the planetary governor?
Also, before i forget, are there any space marines in the battlefleet or are they off fighting Orks?

There are some things that are avoidable. For instance this time you will have a 'teleport back to nearby ship' button ready to press at a moment's notice. But for the most part you are reliant on your physical advantages to stay the course. In regards to space marines. You have no idea, at this distance you cant separate mechanicus from imperial, however you havn't identified a battle barge or anything like that

Nicholas Brooks said:
I don't think we could do so well against one like this

So that's two Battlecruisers/Battleships, 10 or so Heavy Cruisers, 20 to 25 Cruisers, and probably a fair few Escorts. Meanwhile, we have 4 Escorts, 4 Light Cruisers, 2 Scythes, and 1 Cairn plus 1 Imperial Cruiser and Light Cruiser. Now, if we have already received the vessels from the Prince then disregard that, but assuming they aren't here yet we're looking at quite a tough fight.

You have approximately half the Princes fleet as the rest are in the repair dock. But for clarity, you have eight escorts, six light cruisers, three Scythes and a great scythe

The imperals have a battleship two grand/battlecruisers, a bit over a dozen cruisers , near twenty light cruisers and a bit over two dozen escorts

Lonkas · Nov 16, 2020

Alright, voting is open

Always Late · Nov 16, 2020

Nicholas Brooks said:
Also, an Inquisitor's duties make the title "Nemesor" unfitting. Yes they command vast military forces but their purpose is broadly speaking investigation and internal policing. A Lord General or Admiral can command military forces but an Inquisitor finds and roots out Heresy.

The Inquisition's ability to act as generals and warlords is nebulous, befitting their role as red-tape-cutters accountable only to those higher in theirs own organization or historically independent and militarily potent organizations like the Admech, Astartes, and Custodes, but I would exercise great caution in giving it a high ceiling or flexibility. They exist because nobody can be trusted, save the Emperor. The Imperium revolves around the idea of utterly hobbling it's military because no single individual can have the power to prosecute extensive campaigns against them in the name of Chaos. So an Inquisitor acting as the field commander of a battle fleet, as opposed to just an intelligence/diplomatic person, is kind of a localized Warmaster, and should be under the same sort of scrutiny the position entails: acceptable, but only in the appropriate situation.

Lonkas said:
She's also not claiming to be a Triarch sanctioned species. I have been a bit opaque, it is true but what she is claiming to be is an "honorable enemy". Capable of reason as much as the old ones.

Ah. That's a bit different. And a weaker position for her to be in, given our past experience with fanatics.

Lonkas · Nov 16, 2020

Always Late said:
The Inquisition's ability to act as generals and warlords is nebulous, befitting their role as red-tape-cutters accountable only to those higher in theirs own organization or historically independent and militarily potent organizations like the Admech, Astartes, and Custodes, but I would exercise great caution in giving it a high ceiling or flexibility. They exist because nobody can be trusted, save the Emperor. The Imperium revolves around the idea of utterly hobbling it's military because no single individual can have the power to prosecute extensive campaigns against them in the name of Chaos. So an Inquisitor acting as the field commander of a battle fleet, as opposed to just an intelligence/diplomatic person, is kind of a localized Warmaster, and should be under the same sort of scrutiny the position entails: acceptable, but only in the appropriate situation.

Ah. That's a bit different. And a weaker position for her to be in, given our past experience with fanatics.

She is presently utilising the title of Nemessor in this moment because it gives her enough diplomatic and political heft for a dynasty to care about who she is. Rather than an inquistior, which to a Necron might sound like she's anything from effectively a Triarch's representative (almost true from an imperial perspective) to a deathmark cult leader (in which case she should be blasted out of the sky) to a cryptek (then why is she talking to you?). But yes this is still a fairly extreme circumstance

Essentially, she has claimed a title that is, 1: true enough, 2:doesnt raise too many questions and 3,: is important enough to make an overlord consider a meeting.

Azurath · Nov 16, 2020