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JustGazzer said:
remind me if we start STEAM, it will stick around until its done, yeah?
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Only if you keep picking it every turn. It keeps any progress you made and is more likely to come back, though.
Elder Haman said:
What is our father's opinion on getting a loan, and fast vs slow expansion?
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"I always prefer to think about the long term over the short term, it tends to be more stable. Maybe you shouldn't be giving so much to Shallya if you need more money?"
Elder Haman said:
Can we take him as a bodyguard for now and then switch him to a military advisor later?
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Sure.
Elder Haman said:
Did we find any promising apprentices that we might be able to send up to study with Timothy Greens? Or a new journeyman who would be willing to learn from him in exchange for us setting up a smithy for him?
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You might have found a good blacksmith if the Learning candidate was a bit less exceptional, but instead you got Bravor bloody Tobelli. I believe I put in an action specifically to search for smiths - I'll try to remember that for next turn if not.
 
Elder Haman said:
Yet another reason to hire the inventor.
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The inventor isn't a smith; he is an academic. I don't see him being particularly helpful with physically making things. We need actual craftsmen for that.

Tatbee said:
I think we should finish off Early Cannon/Mortar, as we've already invested into it.

For the second codex, I think either 'Weaving Machines [0/15]' or 'Seed Drill and Reaping Machine [0/15]'.
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We can also put both actions in Early Cannon/Mortar. As it is, we aren't going to finish that project with 1 action anyways unless we roll a nat 100. I'm not quite attached enough to the other options to prioritize putting an action into them to get them from going away; I'd rather have both actions on the Mortar to finish it, and then be able to devote both actions to something new next turn.

Rockeye said:
"I always prefer to think about the long term over the short term, it tends to be more stable. Maybe you shouldn't be giving so much to Shallya if you need more money?"
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Apparently donating to Shallya was an all-or-nothing thing. Weird, that.
 
Yeah, I'm sort of regretting that a bit? But for it to be a meaningful sacrifice, it has to be a meaningful sacrifice.

Don't worry, Word Of QM here that Shallya has taken note of the donation and will be looking out for you, simply because it was an all-or-nothing thing and it's really limiting, a legitimate sacrifice for her ideals.
 
Rockeye said:
Only if you keep picking it every turn. It keeps any progress you made and is more likely to come back, though.
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so poking it might be a good idea in the long term if we didn't already have so many irons in the fire. Its such a rare bit of tech, and so immensely useful I could see advancements in many fields just from understanding how it might function in theory.
 
Rockeye said:
Steam engine showed up again from the technologies deck. That's basically like rolling a nat 100, in terms of luck.

PLAN VOTE for Codex Outlines and Hiring. LINE VOTING for social actions. 4 HOURS MORATORIUM.
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@Rockeye
Question about plan formatting. Do you want Codex and Hiring in one plan? Or two plans?

Basically do you want it like this:

[ ][Codex] Plan Slow And Steady
-[ ] Seed Drill and Reaping Machine [0/15]
-[ ] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15]
-[ ][Tobelli] Do not Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.
-[ ][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[ ][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a highly skilled bodyguard, better than the guards who usually escort you. He would be content with it and you could probably use one of those, you know you're not the best fighter. 1 Profit/turn.

[ ][Social] A distant cousin from your mother's side of the family is coming to visit. Try to get to know them, they are family after all.
[ ][Social] Exchange letters with Timothy Greens to see how things are going in Nesiwald and with his wife and kid.
[ ][Social] Hanna Renns-Abbot, who you met half a year ago, seems to have heard of your work with the Church of Shallya and invited you to some sort of party.
[ ][Social] Discuss whatever comes to mind with the scholar Bravor Tobelli. It's sure to be eclectic.
[ ][Social] You wouldn't presume to try and have a friendly chat with the count of Franzen, but his grandsons or granddaughters, perhaps...?

Or like this:

[ ][Codex] Plan Reaping and Cannons
-[ ] Seed Drill and Reaping Machine [0/15]
-[ ] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15]

[ ] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard
-[ ][Tobelli] Do not Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.
-[ ][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[ ][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a highly skilled bodyguard, better than the guards who usually escort you. He would be content with it and you could probably use one of those, you know you're not the best fighter. 1 Profit/turn.

[ ][Social] A distant cousin from your mother's side of the family is coming to visit. Try to get to know them, they are family after all.
[ ][Social] Exchange letters with Timothy Greens to see how things are going in Nesiwald and with his wife and kid.
[ ][Social] Hanna Renns-Abbot, who you met half a year ago, seems to have heard of your work with the Church of Shallya and invited you to some sort of party.
[ ][Social] Discuss whatever comes to mind with the scholar Bravor Tobelli. It's sure to be eclectic.
[ ][Social] You wouldn't presume to try and have a friendly chat with the count of Franzen, but his grandsons or granddaughters, perhaps...?
 
The inventor sounds amazing but he's bound to pick up the iffiness of where our insight comes from and get too close to the Codex Crystal for my liking. Most concerning is this part:
Rockeye said:
He is shockingly rude to you, as a noble heir, saying you have worth only as an inventor, him hearing rumors of mechanical mills, alcohol strengthened by some strange process of yours, and more.
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We're no boss to him, we're no Lord, we're an inventor. Our worth comes from being another apparent genius making inventions. Inventions provided not by us, but by the Codex.

There's a real danger that he might lose interest in us or, worse, try to steal the Crystal. After all, surely it would benefit from a brilliant and learned academic with experience rather than some boorish noble brat stealing credit with things he doesn't understand?
 
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[X][Codex] Plan Reaping and Cannons
-[X] Seed Drill and Reaping Machine [0/15]
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15]

[X] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard
-[X][Tobelli] Do not hire Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.
-[X][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[X][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a highly skilled bodyguard, better than the guards who usually escort you. He would be content with it and you could probably use one of those, you know you're not the best fighter. 1 Profit/turn.

[X][Social] A distant cousin from your mother's side of the family is coming to visit. Try to get to know them, they are family after all.
[X][Social] Exchange letters with Timothy Greens to see how things are going in Nesiwald and with his wife and kid.
[X][Social] Hanna Renns-Abbot, who you met half a year ago, seems to have heard of your work with the Church of Shallya and invited you to some sort of party.
[X][Social] Discuss whatever comes to mind with the scholar Bravor Tobelli. It's sure to be eclectic.
[X][Social] You wouldn't presume to try and have a friendly chat with the count of Franzen, but his grandsons or granddaughters, perhaps...?
 
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Honestly though, I'm a little bit annoyed that we chose to frequently donation to the Church of Shallya. That is gonna put a small dent to our expenses.

But it is a necessary thing, so its alright for now.
 
[X][Codex] Plan MORE Cannons
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15] x2

[X] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard
-[X][Tobelli] Do not hire Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.
-[X][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[X][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a highly skilled bodyguard, better than the guards who usually escort you. He would be content with it and you could probably use one of those, you know you're not the best fighter. 1 Profit/turn.


[X][Social] Discuss whatever comes to mind with the scholar Bravor Tobelli. It's sure to be eclectic.
[X][Social] Exchange letters with Timothy Greens to see how things are going in Nesiwald and with his wife and kid.
[X][Social] Hanna Renns-Abbot, who you met half a year ago, seems to have heard of your work with the Church of Shallya and invited you to some sort of party.
[X][Social] You wouldn't presume to try and have a friendly chat with the count of Franzen, but his grandsons or granddaughters, perhaps...?
[X][Social] The slightly flirtations Miss Johanna is idly trying to compose a song about you, perhaps you can help her.
 
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[x][Social] Your sister Heileen seems to have something of a complex relationship with her teacher. Maybe talk to her about it?
[x][Social] Your brother Grover is paying a bit more attention to his lessons now. You could read the books he chooses with him to grow closer.
[x][Social] Spend some time with the band of journeymen and cripples making your horse-collars.
[x][Social] Hanna Renns-Abbot, who you met half a year ago, seems to have heard of your work with the Church of Shallya and invited you to some sort of party.
[x][Social] A great many merchants and soldiers are passing through your family's lands. Chat with some of them.
 
[X][Codex] Plan Reaping and Cannons
-[X] Seed Drill and Reaping Machine [0/15]
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15]

[X] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard
-[X][Tobelli] Do not hire Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.
-[X][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[X][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a highly skilled bodyguard, better than the guards who usually escort you. He would be content with it and you could probably use one of those, you know you're not the best fighter. 1 Profit/turn.

[X][Social] A distant cousin from your mother's side of the family is coming to visit. Try to get to know them, they are family after all.
[X][Social] Spend some time with the band of journeymen and cripples making your horse-collars.
[X][Social] You wouldn't presume to try and have a friendly chat with the count of Franzen, but his grandsons or granddaughters, perhaps...?
[X][Social] Hanna Renns-Abbot, who you met half a year ago, seems to have heard of your work with the Church of Shallya and invited you to some sort of party.
[X][Social] A great many merchants and soldiers are passing through your family's lands. Chat with some of them.
 
[ ][Social] Your sister Heileen seems to have something of a complex relationship with her teacher. Maybe talk to her about it?
[ ][Social] Your brother Grover is paying a bit more attention to his lessons now. You could read the books he chooses with him to grow closer.
[X][Social] A distant cousin from your mother's side of the family is coming to visit. Try to get to know them, they are family after all.
[X][Social] Exchange letters with Timothy Greens to see how things are going in Nesiwald and with his wife and kid.
[X][Social] You wouldn't presume to try and have a friendly chat with the count of Franzen, but his grandsons or granddaughters, perhaps...?

Not sure why people are voting for Hanna. Here from Turn 17 Planning
Rockeye said:
Hanna Renns-Abbot is seventeen, rather plain if you are being honest with yourself, and seems to be a fairly stout devotee of Ordnil. You find the whole thing a bit awkward, while she was polite and friendly enough it was clear to all that she was being shown off to you. You make polite small talk about the war and your mutual interests, and she quotes a great deal of scripture. That could make things awkward given your existing history with gods. You don't really feel like you actually got to know her, however.
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She is a cousin to Cpt. Renns who gave us the loan in exchange for meeting our heroic parents. She does not seem to stand out and is very religious and to Ordnil at that. May be asking for funds since we shelled out so much recently.
 
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[X][Codex] Plan MORE Cannons
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15] x2

[X] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard
-[X][Tobelli] Do not hire Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.
-[X][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[X][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a highly skilled bodyguard, better than the guards who usually escort you. He would be content with it and you could probably use one of those, you know you're not the best fighter. 1 Profit/turn.


Let's finish the cannons off and see where they lead before getting stuck in with anything new
 
PrimalShadow said:
[X][Social] Send letters reaching out to the Catalina family, your mother's birth family. Marriage is an alliance, so they ought to be friendly.
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That option has been a constant. Wouldn't it be better to do the time sensitive new option:

[][Social] A distant cousin from your mother's side of the family is coming to visit. Try to get to know them, they are family after all.

Since either way we are talking to our mother's family, I'd think the one that has taken the imitative to visit us will be the more interesting option.

Also, as we are not planning to hire Bravor Tobelli, I feel we really ought to take the social option with him:

[][Social] Discuss whatever comes to mind with the scholar Bravor Tobelli. It's sure to be eclectic.

It might give us more information on things that already exist, and probably increases the chance that he will still be available in a year or two when our finances are better.

Sivantic said:
She is a cousin to Cpt. Renns who gave us the loan in exchange for meeting our heroic parents. She does not seem to stand out and is very religious and to Ordnil at that. May be asking for funds since we shelled out so much recently.
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If she is, then we say no. Rather, since it seems to be related to the big expense we just made donating to Shallya, I'm guessing that a lot of us are picking it thinking that there might be some kind of benefit here.
 
[X][Codex] Plan MORE Cannons

[X][Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Military Advisor
-[x][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[x][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a military advisor. He could come up with uses for gunpowder, work out how to effectively use cannons, or talk to the Army for you, perhaps? Commits a half action to managing him. 1 Profit/turn.
-[x][Tobelli] Do not hire Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.

[X][Social] Discuss whatever comes to mind with the scholar Bravor Tobelli. It's sure to be eclectic.
[X][Social] Exchange letters with Timothy Greens to see how things are going in Nesiwald and with his wife and kid.
[X][Social] You wouldn't presume to try and have a friendly chat with the count of Franzen, but his grandsons or granddaughters, perhaps...?
[X][Social] A distant cousin from your mother's side of the family is coming to visit. Try to get to know them, they are family after all.
[X][Social] Spend some time with the band of journeymen and cripples making your horse-collars.
 
Rockeye said:
Pressure from the Governors? A new petition has been brought forth to King Conrad, our most noble liege, requesting a royal decree of law on several matters of considerably importance. What exactly this petition is is not yet known, but rumor claims it to be a set of laws that will increase taxes, though speculation is rampant about just where the increased taxes would apply. Lord Governor Burke of the eastern region of our country champions this petition most of all - claiming that action needs to be taken. Others, including nobility and merchants, have argued vigorously, and now the King has set a series of hearings regarding the mysterious tax-petition scheduled for this autumn.
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Am I the only one really worried about this? I think we really need our war heros parents to fight this. Any tax that guy endorsed has got to be aimed at us and our windmill


[X][Codex] Plan MORE Cannons
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15] x2

[X] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard
-[X][Tobelli] Do not hire Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.
-[X][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[X][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a highly skilled bodyguard, better than the guards who usually escort you. He would be content with it and you could probably use one of those, you know you're not the best fighter. 1 Profit/turn.
 
Elder Haman said:
If she is, then we say no. Rather, since it seems to be related to the big expense we just made donating to Shallya, I'm guessing that a lot of us are picking it thinking that there might be some kind of benefit here.
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Rather than no, it would just be better to spend time with someone else

Like our baby sister, who may have a crush on a certain mysterious musician from a far off(snrk) land :3
Elder Haman said:
You got a "1st" added on to the line which is making it not added to the vote count properly.
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Fixed. Thank you.
 
LordEdric said:
Am I the only one really worried about this? I think we really need our war heros parents to fight this. Any tax that guy endorsed has got to be aimed at us and our windmill
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Only 1 Windmill exists within Veschwar, a country-wide Windmill tax is unlikely.

It could be a river trade tax, for the River Zal.
Rockeye said:
With access to the sea via the river Zal secured as part of the recent war's peace treaty, there has been a massive amount of excitement and investment among Veschwar's merchant guilds.

... sailing up the river into Veschwar's territory ... all the way to the three-way border between Veschwar, Romanga, and Polecniz, upon which a large fortress is being constructed.
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They might tax trade at that fortress, or tax any trade-vessel entering/exiting the mouth of the River Zal.
 
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