Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

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First and most important assumption: the person speaking isn't actually your character, but rather a bit player. If it is your character... what I say might all be wrong.
I didn't get this bit? Did you mean is it from the POV of a minor character? The person speaking was actually meant to be my character.😅

I was working with other characters so I went back and read through their omakes to get familiar with their characters. Ended up picking several bits from their previous omakes to add into the fight scene.

Interesting note: The frog character from the secret realm you mentioned is Amaranth. He's faced toads and lightning lizards, so a frog based around lightning would be perfect for him... except I randomly came up with that monster separately and it by some fluke ended up being perfect for his character. I was really looking forward to writing him fight the toads until I realized he was crippled during the time period of the omake.
Basically, it doesn't feel like a conversation that the character is having with me, it feels... more like a conversation he's having with himself and I just happen to be privy to it.
I wonder if this kind of style can be used for showing a character's inner thoughts or some degree of multiple personalities. In the latter case, the lack of normalcy might even be a boon.
But yeah, there's still a part of me that can't help but think that if we wrote out both ends of the conversation and then subtracted one end, the dialogue would end up looking very different from the finished product in both our omakes.
That sounds like an interesting experiment. Might try an actual storytelling scene at some point later. Though to an extent, I figured the repetition to be acceptable creak from reality for this type of story telling.

Overall, this has actually been really helpful. Thanks for the review.:)
 
So in earlier updates it was mentioned that heaven's curse on us has dropped in power a bit, what does that mean mechanically?
 
So in earlier updates it was mentioned that heaven's curse on us has dropped in power a bit, what does that mean mechanically?
From what I understand, Heaven's Curse was a faction who has X points to spend on making us suffer, and used those points on events like the Devil Bee disaster and to push our Core Formation result from being bad to being horrible. Those actions used up all it's 'points', so it's gone.
 
I think it kinda depends on your priorities?

Like fortify is good in that it's a flat buff to the place, but the Defs can't help much if JS tries to pull a stunt via on of their NS with the excuse of "securing" the road so that the stones can flow uninterrupted.

Flood Dragon NS guarding it is more of conveying that the road is already guarded and that any attempts to take it over has to go through the Flood Dragons and Strength Purity. I personally don't agree with the Mercs because of similar points mentioned about making the vassals stronger at our expenses

But my personal choice is on using that money to Gamble for Core because we do need to build up their numbers ASAP and i rather do it when we have another NS around that no one wants to offend for both power and political reasons. It's a gamble yes, but one i think worth taking because any Cores we do get from it will stay with the Clan and contribute.


The option about fortifying the road outright states it lets the Legions up there patrol more widely and more often - less troops tied up in garrisons means more troops on the roads thwarting Jingshen schemes. Sure, it's not a Soul - but unless Jingshen are going to send their Soul onto a slice of the road and dare us to take it back, you don't need a Soul up there to secure the route, just some extra forces to make sure patrolled routes don't end up no mans land or Jingshen-backed bandit country.

Sending the Soul to the Blood Cannibal border catches inflitrators - like Manual did at the start of the quest - and will benefit us in the future war, while if we try to build forts in infiltrated land, they'll cost more and might just fall from inside on the first day.

And on fortifying the border being better than training soldiers - Forts won't be as useful there than against the Devil Bees, because the devil bees were explicitly paid for how many forts get destroyed (and we got good rolls on holding the fort). Instead Blood Path cultivators will push past our forts to slaughter people for power.

Furthermore, we didn't want to push into Devil Bees mountains - we do want to push further into Blood Cannibal deserts. Therefore forts get less useful - theyll end up being forts defending nothing while better troops means we can both defend and attack better.

If you want to gamble more on spending for Core fair enough, but we've gambled enough - and lost enough - so far. Now is not thetime to double down again.
 
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Before I do that (and I probably won't be able to before the weekend) I will reiterate what I think is the most important pieces of writing advice I've come across:

If someone tells you something's wrong, they're almost always right. If that someone then tells you how to fix it, they're almost always wrong.

(I believe you can find the original statement in the author's notes of Gaiman's American Gods.)

Basically, accept all criticism as useful, but keep in mind I am kiiiinda presenting a remedy which may or may not work for you. I'm trying to keep things very general, but at the end of the day, you gotta write your story, not mine so don't push something in a direction you don't like just because some rando on the internet suggested it. :V

Yeah I know don't worry lmao

And tbh I don't think I'm going to be editing that omake at least any time soon. I kiiiind of hate it for unrelated-to-your-suggestion-but-probably-related-to-your-point reasons, namely that I had inspiration for one (1) sentence but I'd been planning to write it for so long I just spat it out anyway. Maybe one day I'll remember what I wanted to do with it and fix it -_-

RE: CORE FORMATION GAMBLING

That's a terrible idea!!!

It's basically encouraging our cultivators who are almost but not quite ready to break through into Core Formation to try and risk it anyway. Anyone who dies is a permanent loss!
 
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It isn't a good idea to do any of the Manual only plans. It has be noted that they will be inefficient. We should focus on the plans of the person we saved or we saved the wrong one.
 
It isn't a good idea to do any of the Manual only plans. It has be noted that they will be inefficient. We should focus on the plans of the person we saved or we saved the wrong one.

We saved her for the passive benefits - her keeping our internal and external relationships ticking along without collapsing like our internal stuff has - and her friendship with Manual. Not because we needed her diplomacy for the future

My plan does invest in the forts our Milltary advisor suggests, so it's efficent compared to an Manual action.
 
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RE: CORE FORMATION GAMBLING

That's a terrible idea!!!

It's basically encouraging our cultivators who are almost but not quite ready to break through into Core Formation to try and risk it anyway. Anyone who dies is a permanent loss!
Point.

But i feel the dice calling me! More seriously, i just don't like the Merc Idea and how we're paying to make them stronger. I rather throw the money of arming/upgrading the Legions if possible
 
Point.

But i feel the dice calling me! More seriously, i just don't like the Merc Idea and how we're paying to make them stronger. I rather throw the money of arming/upgrading the Legions if possible
We did though take the options that made our vassals like us. We have the benefit of the loyalty bonus. As Alectai (I think) has said, it's exactly at times like this that it pays off.

Anyway, the immediate alternative to Mercs isn't this risky gamble, it's stripping legates.
 
We did though take the options that made our vassals like us. We have the benefit of the loyalty bonus. As Alectai (I think) has said, it's exactly at times like this that it pays off.

Anyway, the immediate alternative to Mercs isn't this risky gamble, it's stripping legates.
i mean that won't really change the fact that we're basically giving our wealth away to get glorified guards. Loyalty is a nebulous concept since if the get strong enough, t'll get Ideas. Investing our Wealth in the Clan at least ensures that the Clan as a whole benefits.

I believed that intact Legions is enough to defend the Clan without the mercs. Pulling in the legates to form the council just allows us to pick from a substandard choice for Elders. 15 wealth is way too much to throw away
 
i mean that won't really change the fact that we're basically giving our wealth away to get glorified guards. Loyalty is a nebulous concept since if the get strong enough, t'll get Ideas. Investing our Wealth in the Clan at least ensures that the Clan as a whole benefits.

I believed that intact Legions is enough to defend the Clan without the mercs. Pulling in the legates to form the council just allows us to pick from a substandard choice for Elders. 15 wealth is way too much to throw away
Eh, as long as we've got a Nascent Soul cultivator I doubt they'll try anything. Even if we're far behind Bhrigu in raw power, he rather effectively proved how big the gap between Nascent Soul and Core Formation cultivators is. Besides, even if we uplift their growth a bit, it's not like they'll be able to sustain that growth once we stop supporting them.
 
i mean that won't really change the fact that we're basically giving our wealth away to get glorified guards. Loyalty is a nebulous concept since if the get strong enough, t'll get Ideas. Investing our Wealth in the Clan at least ensures that the Clan as a whole benefits.

I believed that intact Legions is enough to defend the Clan without the mercs. Pulling in the legates to form the council just allows us to pick from a substandard choice for Elders. 15 wealth is way too much to throw away
This is all valid, and pushing our best Foundation Establishment experts to mass suicide is still the worst option.
 
Jiang Chrysanthos 3 - Mystery Cultivators Assemble
Mystery Cultivators Assemble

Year 108

Chrys ducked their head back out of the shelter and watched as Lemar and Fin sparred against each other. The training grounds they were currently in resembled the desert outside with an artificial sun blazing above them. They were both more puddle than man at this point, but neither of them was willing to admit defeat to each other or the heat. The entire contest had begun when another member of their group Spyridon had offered to share a talisman recipe they had found. The Talisman would create a sphere of silence around the user, ideal for both Lemar and Fin.

That Spyridon would likely share the recipe with the loser anyway had been ignored when Jamie suggested it. After all, neither Lemar nor Fin could bear to be behind the other ever since about their 3rd training session. Spyridon and Cassandra found it hilarious as the two of them usually trailed behind in anything but their specialities while Chrys and Jamie simply watched on having learnt that nothing they did would hold either of the men back.

Fin was the first to slip in the end, the heat proving too much for them they fell straight into a punch by Lemar. With his opponent on the ground, Lemar stood triumphant for a moment before collapsing himself with the background music of Spyridon and Cassandra's applause. Chrys and Jamie meanwhile dashed over and dragged the idiots out of the sun before they suffered anymore.

After a couple more minutes the clock that Centurion Briána had left Chrys signalled that they were up next. A quick look around revealed four or five other aspirants who were waiting for their next match, although the heat haze made it impossible to identify them. Picking out the closest Chrys made their way over to them and bowed, ignoring the sound of Spyridon offering a bet to the others.

As their opponent bowed back Chrys saw that it was Vaso, a fellow body cultivator. Unlike Chrys, they were strong in the blood of Bronze and vastly superior with the Bronze Fist. On a typical day, Chrys would be consigning themselves to defeat, but with the artificial sun beating down on them both Chrys figured they might be able to outlast Vaso.

As Vaso raised his head back up Chrys took the beginning stance for The Empty Palm of Ascending Turtles and counted Vaso's opening attack. The two Asprients soon lost themselves in the exchange of fists. Chrys using the Empty Palm to negate Vaso's attacks while shifting him into an opening for their own. On the other hand, Vaso took each off Chrys's blows straight on with his bronze body shrugging off any damage as he struck back with stone breaking force.

Locked in a deadlock just like how Lemar and Fin have been earlier Chrys wanted to despair, it was becoming clear that Vaso would not be weakening first after all. As the dual continued it was Chrys who began to fade, the damage from Vaso's blows adding up alongside the heat of the sun. Their own attacks too weak and slow, like always.

With a yell Vaso punched forwards, his fist blasting aside Chrys' counter. The punch slammed into Chrys' sternum and sent them flying backwards through the air. For a while, Chris just looked up into the sky, the light of the artificial sun seeming to be a condemnation of their dreams until a shadow blocked it. With a sigh, Chris accepted the offered hand and let Vaso pull them to their feet.

"Nice spar Chris, I thought I would knock you out in the first minute but you lasted for ages there," Vaso said, an easy grin across his face. "They'll make a juggernaut out of you yet!"

Laughing in return, Chris slapped his hand on Vaso's shoulder and made his way back to his friends, Vaso remaining under the sun waiting for his next challenger.

As difficult as the day was proving to be, it wasn't anything new. For Chrys and the other Aspirants, every day in the Dawn Fortress was to be a challenge.

They sparred against each other to refine their bodies, studied the history of the clan to refine their minds, and practised the Hoppolite Formations to refine their spirits.

The Centurions pushed them in every possible manner, all to create a Warrior strong enough to not only survive the Organ Meat Desert but master themselves as well.

While this had sounded like a great calling when Chrys was younger, it was an endless field of suffering as they stressed the Body, Mind and Spirit to their limits each day. At times it felt like the only things keeping Chrys going were the companions beside him and the tacit knowledge that they would hold each other up without question.

After another seven spars, broken up by two more breaks Centurion Briána's voice echoed across the field, announcing the training session was over. All of the Aspirants made their way over to the Eastern wall where centurion Briána waited for then, a stock of canteens sitting at her feet. Still, as their teachers were often prone to lecture, a golden devil cultivator didn't just pounce on the first sign of respite, and so they all lined up and bowed in unison.

"Thank you for guidance centurion Briána," they shouted as one.

"Good job everyone. your next training session is with Principale Fotis In two hours which gives you plenty of time to meditate on the advice I've left you with your water. Dismissed." She announced before turning her back and exiting the arena; ignoring the almost mad scramble for water which started the moment she finished speaking.

Jaime and Cassandra slipped between the other aspirants while Spyridon and Fin held Chrys and Lemar upwards as they made their way out. The four of them sat down on the nearest bench and luxuriated in the first real shade of the day. Chrys Breathed in deep for a moment before accepting their water from Jaime. Ignoring the scroll tied to the canteen, Chrys cracked open the top and took a large gulp, unable to assist the temptation of cool water. By the sounds around them, Chris wasn't the only one unable to pace themselves right now.

Catching their breath, Chrys looked over to see that Cassandra was already reading her scroll, the only hint that she had touched her water at all the cracked seal. Sensing Chrys' attention, she looked up and smiled. "It's another essay on teamwork and communication," she said, before gesturing to Chrys' scroll.

Holding back a yawn, they pulled open the scroll just enough to read the title. "The Desert Blades. Huh, a sword art?"

At this point, Lemar had finished his water and joined in. "Sounds like a good idea, a sword would help with your damage issue."

"I don't have a damage issue; the clan just has outrageous standards" Chrys huffed, ignoring Spyridon's giggling. "What's your's on?"

"An essay on the hearing of something called a Whale. It looks long as well." He answered before nudging Fin. "How about you Fin?"

"A diagram on the human body. She's annotated it with good stabbing points." Fin sighed, their struggles with Centurion Briána's approach to medicine well known to the group.

"Well I have a manual on hiding" Spyridon added, finally done with their giggling fit. "Which is a bit odd considering the session we just had"

This prompted Jaime to click her tongue and reached past Fin and Lemar to grab Spyridon's scroll "It says occultation, not hiding. Like when you block the view of something. Guess she wants you to practice your faints."

"Oi! My faints are great; I even got Fabiola with one today." Spyridon retorted in mock anger as he caught his scroll just before it hit his face.

"Shouting look behind you isn't a faint, and it only worked because Vaso sent Wen flying at that exact moment," replied Jaime, before rolling her eyes. "Anyway mine is on body language. Think we might be able to compare notes Fin?"

While Fin and Jaime started going over their scrolls together and ignoring Spyridon's continuing whining, tuning out their friends, Chrys returned to their drink and considered the matter of his scroll. They didn't particularly want to learn fencing; they loved the feeling of triumph that mastering their body gave them, even when it hurt.

Probably telling something was wrong Cassandra pattered Chrys head. "The river that bursts its banks is still a river. The weapons of the mind are the weapons of the body" In a tone of complete confidence. Then before Chrys could puzzle out what she meant Cassandra linked their arms and started walking off, pulling Chrys along with them. Used to their friend's odd ways by Chrys let her, waving goodbye to the rest of the group.

"See you in a couple of hours" Lemar called back, huge grins now plastered across the rest of the group's faces.

Soon enough, Chrys worked out that Cassandra was pulling them in the direction of the training armoury. "Really? I was going to follow her advice Cassandra; you didn't need to force me here" Chrys grumbled. Ignoring the traitorous voice that asked really.

"Better the river that flows fast than the river that stagnates" was her only reply, obviously fully into one of her nonsense trances.

Remembering better than to push when she was like this Chrys just sighed and hoped she would be better by the next training session. Instead, Chrys used their free hand to check the scroll in case the technique required specific blades; after all, everyone still remembered when Spyridon first told Cassandra that he wanted to specialise in talismans. She had delivered a damn obelisk to his dorm the next day imbued with an enchantment of weight, where she had found something like that who knew. The Obelisk was still standing there as well; no one had the strength or contribution points to move it.

Luckily it didn't look like The Desert Blades cared much for the blades used, only that they had two of them, which meant that Chrys probably didn't have to worry about whatever Cassandra was going to pick out. Probably.

Right?

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And now the rest of the gan show up. Spyridon is already a great background character in my heart. Sadly Jaime and Briána didn't get to do much today, although I hope the dynamics of the group are clear enough already.

Also, this chapter was written before I read the update. So Briána wasn't intended to be the Centurion from the council, still, she's a great character who I want to write more of. (checks notes) but she won't be showing up again soon I expect.

Edit: woops, forgot the title.
 
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I suggest wealth generation as a goal of sorts so it is the main thing be reorganized with the legions hopefully aswell and maybe stop the bleeding abit faster or increase by a few each turn.

I think fortifying scorpion road and sending our freindly nascent there seems best . As people have said we can delay blood cannibals a turn or two thanks to the truce we have . And if not that then try to force more core formation clan experts and not the mercs.

The mercs are a 3 turn 15 wealth cost action people , we can basicly do two actions with that instead to be honest.

Also to the author , maybe think up cheaper options and maybe even more expensive ones in the future so there is abit more choice , especially the cheaper ones ?
 
I don't have much time to dedicate to this before work, but I've got to ask why people are forgetting that one of our biggest problems is an inability to have any friends to rely upon when stuff goes bad for us?

We've already got the Flood Dragons pulling their weight (And hopefully guarding the Scorpion Road to hard check the Jiangshen), and if we can get the Strength Purity Sect more in our corner then that means we have the Righteous Power hegemon in the region running herd on half the other factions in play to keep them from screwing with us openly.

That's pretty invaluable once the time comes for us to flex on someone, since it prevents opportunism that lead to us being driven into the desert in the first place.

If we want a long term play, then hitting up the Strength Purity Sect is the way to go, especially if we can change things enough to get them to be a Trade Partner.

Besides, "Generate Wealth" is usually only a one-turn boost. What we need right now are passive increases to wealth income, and if we were rolling high enough to up our passive income, that roll would be better suited to diplomatic efforts instead.

Additionally, burning wealth on hiring Core Formation mercenaries is ideal for our circumstances. Our vassals are loyal, they know that the Golden Devils go to the hilt for their vassals after the Demonic Bee war and the way we deal with the Cannibals, and Manuel is ultimately capable of wiping them all out in an instant should they prove treacherous.

With the Legions and our defensive emplacements to support them, repulsing the Blood Cannibals and Demonic Bees should they go for minor raids is absolutely on the table, and the Seven Divine Saber Palace isn't likely to be in a position to fuck with us after the way each of their three gambits last century went for them.

So yeah, count me in for @Alectai 's plan.

[ ] Plan: Triage Turn
-[ ] Man the Council properly
-[ ] Deploy her to the Scorpion Road
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We cannot afford Jingshen to think they can claim the road, we cannot afford for them to even dream it until we are back on our feet. To that end, it is critical that we ensure the cost for doing so is daunting. Yao Zhihao taking twenty years to stabilize her cultivation in Pleuron? Openly doing... Whatever it is she does while touring the road? It's a statement... Most importantly, it reinforces how our support led to the rise of a new Righteous Nascent Soul, and binds Jingshen from pulling a fast one, lest they be the aggressor in an inter-Righteous clash.
-[ ] Building Bridges (Strength Purity Sect)
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It could be said that you and the Strength Purity Sect have something of an... Understanding. The Golden Devils have done much to contain the threat of the Battle Blood Cannibal Sect, and serve as a valuable pressure release valve against the Devil Bee Sect, preventing them from reaching critical mass and overwhelming the Verdant South. The last thing they would desire right now is to a potential containment breach while their full attention is on the Ninth Demon Annihilation War, and this is a very real risk at the moment. Most importantly, the support of the Golden Devils has returned a Righteous Nascent Soul to the field and provides sanctuary while they acclimated to their new abilities, and that is no small thing given the intensity of the current War. See if something can be worked out with them to help... Massage the current risks into one that maintains stability in an unstable time.
-[ ] Hire Core Formation (5 Wealth per turn for 3 turns)
--[ ] We cannot afford to do less. This is the prime time for banditry to rise--and all the world knows it. Our easy hand on our subordinates is an investment for times of need such as this--and this allows us to maintain internal security while we re-establish our footing. The survival of our Foundation Establishment experts does much to ensure that we ultimately only require occasional intervention.

Vote ought to be open in ten minutes or so anyway.
 
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While I agree that we need more allies I'm not sure that the Strength Purity Sect are the right target. They're rightious so they're unlikely to straight up ally with us and they're also almost to powerful, we don't have much to offer them. Why not go with the Magic Oak Sect, they're technically demonic but not out and out blood path which is something we share. They also share a border with the Jingshen meaning we share interests and they also share a small amount of border with us meaning they can actually get to us. The magic oak sect also doesn't seem that much more powerful than we are making any alliance more equal. This is an alliance that could benefit both of us and might last.
 
While I agree that we need more allies I'm not sure that the Strength Purity Sect are the right target. They're rightious so they're unlikely to straight up ally with us and they're also almost to powerful, we don't have much to offer them. Why not go with the Magic Oak Sect, they're technically demonic but not out and out blood path which is something we share. They also share a border with the Jingshen meaning we share interests and they also share a small amount of border with us meaning they can actually get to us. The magic oak sect also doesn't seem that much more powerful than we are making any alliance more equal. This is an alliance that could benefit both of us and might last.

Yea - I don't think now is the time to be trying for new alliances regardless when we could spent an action putting out fires, but if we were to do so the Strength Purity Sect are like the worst option, and the idea we can get them onside with a single action is pure fantasy (well, more fantasy than usual).

Go [ ] Plan: Putting out fires instead!
 
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Yea - I don't think now is the time to be trying for new alliances regardless when we could spent an action putting out fires, but if we were to do so the Strength Purity Sect are like the worst option, and the idea we can get them onside with a single action is pure fantasy (well, more fantasy than usual).

Go [ ] Plan: Putting out fires instead!

We picked the diplomacy elder, and geopolitically speaking the last thing the SPS wants us is collapsing and letting the two Blood Path we're bottling up going out of control and open up a new hostile border with them.

We lean into our diplomacy elder still being intact here to maximize our assets. While there is risk involved here, it should be a relatively small risk. We won't get overt support, no--but we might finangle some useful covert support, like hell a group of recovering Core Formations down at the Oasis who are spoiling for a fight and take the Blood Cannibals starting shit as an excuse to get some exercise. Or of course, the everpresent possibility of money.
 
We picked the diplomacy elder, and geopolitically speaking the last thing the SPS wants us is collapsing and letting the two Blood Path we're bottling up going out of control and open up a new hostile border with them.

We lean into our diplomacy elder still being intact here to maximize our assets. While there is risk involved here, it should be a relatively small risk. We won't get overt support, no--but we might finangle some useful covert support, like hell a group of recovering Core Formations down at the Oasis who are spoiling for a fight and take the Blood Cannibals starting shit as an excuse to get some exercise. Or of course, the everpresent possibility of money.

So, you are currently in the middle of a pretty big war with the Demonic Altar sect - and another demonic clan come up to you, talks about how weak they are, and that if you don't help them other demonic sects are going to get stronger. Would you even consider it, or dismiss it as some kind of Demonic Trick or desperate plea? We know we're better than the other demonic sects for the region - but that does'nt mean they believe that. We're just some poor savages out on the plains who have enough strength to stop the Jingshen clan owning the whole road - if we collapse they probably think "oooh, Jingshen get more land and no more tarrifs!"

If you want to leverage having our diplomacy elder alive (not anymore competent than before the Trials, but alive), then use her to charm Jingshen, or get our vassals to cough up extra gifts, or try to talk to someone who actually borders us. Not on some hope that a Righteous Sect in the middle of a great war has resources to give to us because we asked nicely.
 
So, you are currently in the middle of a pretty big war with the Demonic Altar sect - and another demonic clan come up to you, talks about how weak they are, and that if you don't help them other demonic sects are going to get stronger. Would you even consider it, or dismiss it as some kind of Demonic Trick or desperate plea? We know we're better than the other demonic sects for the region - but that does'nt mean they believe that. We're just some poor savages out on the plains who have enough strength to stop the Jingshen clan owning the whole road - if we collapse they probably think "oooh, Jingshen get more land and no more tarrifs!"

If you want to leverage having our diplomacy elder alive (not anymore competent than before the Trials, but alive), then use her to charm Jingshen, or get our vassals to cough up extra gifts, or try to talk to someone who actually borders us. Not on some hope that a Righteous Sect in the middle of a great war has resources to give to us because we asked nicely.

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They don't actually want Jingshen in charge, because Jingshen don't materially contribute to their affairs and also charge them through the nose for a necessary good. "Hey let's give these guys who don't contribute to our conflicts and literally engineer small empires for the sole purpose of dying so they don't have to use effort to suppress their actual blood path opponent a complete monopoly!"

Yeah we're a demonic sect and that means any arrangements are going to be under the table, but we're not the kind that requires them to suppress because our power projection is limited, our focus is nowhere near their territory--and doctrinally speaking we both maintain the highest quality of living for our subordinates and mortals and are the only factions on the table that do that.

If we were a Righteous Power, we would literally be the only one that didn't give them any problems. Even as a Demonic Sect, we don't price gouge, we don't abuse our mortals, and most importantly we keep a lid on a major Blood Path Sect and serve as a useful breakwater for another one.

Them going "Hey let's replace them with guys who'll literally just bunker up the most valuable territories and leave everything else as a sacrifice to appease the Blood Path" is fundamentally against their character as has been established. The Jingshen's reputation is so bad that even in the overall Desert Powers writeup they were dismissed as cowards. Which suggests that they're so annoying to the Righteous Path as a whole that they can't even stomach the idea of making them look better than their neighbours

I could see a low level negotiation unfolding like that maybe, because they don't have the experience or the perspective to see how we're a net asset to their overall crusade. But the ones who'd be in a position to bargain can and do know better. We get badmouthed in public, in private they deal with us because we occasionally have very valuable arrays come out and we're an ideological peer who are only really prevented from open association by our refusal to ban certain methods and tendency to employ them when pressed.
 
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I had a different idea when I was first reading, but tbh after discussion and considering all options I'm with Alectai.
 
[X] Plan: Triage Turn
-[X] Man the Council properly
-[X] Deploy her to the Scorpion Road
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We cannot afford Jingshen to think they can claim the road, we cannot afford for them to even dream it until we are back on our feet. To that end, it is critical that we ensure the cost for doing so is daunting. Yao Zhihao taking twenty years to stabilize her cultivation in Pleuron? Openly doing... Whatever it is she does while touring the road? It's a statement... Most importantly, it reinforces how our support led to the rise of a new Righteous Nascent Soul, and binds Jingshen from pulling a fast one, lest they be the aggressor in an inter-Righteous clash.
-[X] Building Bridges (Strength Purity Sect)
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It could be said that you and the Strength Purity Sect have something of an... Understanding. The Golden Devils have done much to contain the threat of the Battle Blood Cannibal Sect, and serve as a valuable pressure release valve against the Devil Bee Sect, preventing them from reaching critical mass and overwhelming the Verdant South. The last thing they would desire right now is to a potential containment breach while their full attention is on the Ninth Demon Annihilation War, and this is a very real risk at the moment. Most importantly, the support of the Golden Devils has returned a Righteous Nascent Soul to the field and provides sanctuary while they acclimated to their new abilities, and that is no small thing given the intensity of the current War. See if something can be worked out with them to help... Massage the current risks into one that maintains stability in an unstable time.
-[X] Hire Core Formation (5 Wealth per turn for 3 turns)
--[X] We cannot afford to do less. This is the prime time for banditry to rise--and all the world knows it. Our easy hand on our subordinates is an investment for times of need such as this--and this allows us to maintain internal security while we re-establish our footing. The survival of our Foundation Establishment experts does much to ensure that we ultimately only require occasional intervention.
 
[X] Plan: Triage Turn

So many things we need to do, so little time, I can't wait for next turn to see what else crashes and burns
 
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