Rihaku
The Internet
ADS + Exalted Spirit is +6 additional Int before Edeldross multipliers, and +6 WIS as well! That's a very notable difference...
A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
- Start date
- Original
ADS + Exalted Spirit is +6 additional Int before Edeldross multipliers, and +6 WIS as well! That's a very notable difference...
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
I have no idea what I want right now but I'm amalgamating the benefits I've currently realized exist for ADS right here along with the knock-on/indirect benefits(I haven't reviewed the Exalted Spirit benefits or mathed how much more competent we'd be with ADS+Exalted Spirit yet)
Blatant/Direct Benefits:
It's a 5x Strength-Linked Esoteric Defense Layer that even protects against enemy Rank.
It quintuples the portion of our attack damage that ignores armor
It protects Forebear's Blade Powers against nullification, including via incompatible metaphysics
It makes us more competent/Luckier(All Stats Minimum Coverage for the Curious: A Simple Transaction I Original)
It provides Curse Mitigation
It makes us even more ridiculous of a memetic hazard against people weaker than us/makes it harder for them to plot against us.
Knock On/Indirect Benefits I've realized:
Broad-Spectrum Cognitive Improvements means longer range Bloodsense is probable(A Simple Transaction I Original)
More Cognitive Capacity to lose means we can use the Outer Shadow longer and have more of our mental faculties when we're using it
More luck opens up the possibility of more Critical Hits from Fall of Night than just 1 in 10 when we fight, and those Critical Hits would have a Power of Ruin of what... 7.5*Strength?
Blatant/Direct Benefits:
It's a 5x Strength-Linked Esoteric Defense Layer that even protects against enemy Rank.
It quintuples the portion of our attack damage that ignores armor
It protects Forebear's Blade Powers against nullification, including via incompatible metaphysics
It makes us more competent/Luckier(All Stats Minimum Coverage for the Curious: A Simple Transaction I Original)
It provides Curse Mitigation
It makes us even more ridiculous of a memetic hazard against people weaker than us/makes it harder for them to plot against us.
Knock On/Indirect Benefits I've realized:
Broad-Spectrum Cognitive Improvements means longer range Bloodsense is probable(A Simple Transaction I Original)
More Cognitive Capacity to lose means we can use the Outer Shadow longer and have more of our mental faculties when we're using it
More luck opens up the possibility of more Critical Hits from Fall of Night than just 1 in 10 when we fight, and those Critical Hits would have a Power of Ruin of what... 7.5*Strength?
Strange9
hdellaverson@gmail.com
- Location
- Los Angeles, CA
[X] All-Defeating Stance + Exalted Spirit
[X] The Lord Protector
[X] Priority Two
Lateral problem solving skills are at a premium when going against a wizard like the Lord Protector. Moreover, the Power of Ruin's defensive omni-applicability gives us some hope of recovery against manifold instant death effects. Finally, giving the wizard time to prepare is a terrible idea.
[X] The Lord Protector
[X] Priority Two
Lateral problem solving skills are at a premium when going against a wizard like the Lord Protector. Moreover, the Power of Ruin's defensive omni-applicability gives us some hope of recovery against manifold instant death effects. Finally, giving the wizard time to prepare is a terrible idea.
[X] Once and Future I
[X] The Lord Protector
[X] Priority Two
Tentative vote, but I find that I don't really mind risking the Decimator. Story wise it would poke a hole in Hunger's overconfidence in a manner which doesn't necessarily cause a Condition/Wound spiral.
On the other hand, leaving Mr. Protector alone lets him have time to learn more about the party, and design a tailored solution. That's pretty bad news all around.
Lastly, Once and futurebecause it's red since we've been tossing this one around since forever and just unlocked an attached mystery box. We're choosing between good and better in strength with this and ADS, so I'm hardly going to be torn up by this one.
[X] The Lord Protector
[X] Priority Two
Tentative vote, but I find that I don't really mind risking the Decimator. Story wise it would poke a hole in Hunger's overconfidence in a manner which doesn't necessarily cause a Condition/Wound spiral.
On the other hand, leaving Mr. Protector alone lets him have time to learn more about the party, and design a tailored solution. That's pretty bad news all around.
Lastly, Once and future
Rihaku
The Internet
You can't deceive me, you just wanted the Triple Red Option!
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
Wait, if this is all a giant amusement park, where are the ( remains of the ) attractions?
Where are signs with height marks with inscriptions "You have to be this tall to die"?
Where is everything? Bloody Forebears, didn't have the wherewithal to build the fucking thing to last, now the whole park is a health hazard!
Before a tycoon to revive it, someone needs to call a universal safety inspector first. Or is that Hunger?
- Location
- US
The reason why a lot of people wanted to get Into the Breach was so that we'd get a pick for OaF.
ADS has no such restrictions. Please keep that in mind when making this choice.
ADS has no such restrictions. Please keep that in mind when making this choice.
Duquette7
I am Fire, and I am Rain
I'm not sure if this makes me want it more, or makes me afraid of it, but it definitely makes me feel something!
- Location
- Pindorama
If we delay Once and Future for another EFB again I'm seriously going to be salty. This literally solves all our problems with immediate power for the foreseeable future and it's been boosted by two other EFBs at this point. Remember Ber? The Armament Fish? The Human Sphere Ring War? All things massively aided by a boost in Rank.
With the way our update schedule has decreased so far along with our activity, plus the fact the it's just 10 days until our Arete doubling ends; it's quite likely we won't be able to get Once and Future at all unless we grab it here, especially when you consider the fact that it requires a pick too. The low-cost of A-DS makes it much more feasible to buy in a low activity period and it would remain available as a panic option due to only needing Arete.
The opportunity cost of not grabbing Once and Future here is just too high; while both A-DS and Exalted Spirit can much more easily be acquired in later circumstances due to not having such a high cost. It's to the point that if we somehow don't manage to get Once and Future here I'd rather not spend at all and save the pick for our Defining Advancement; that's how much spending on other things not Once and Future costs for me right now.
We finally have the opportunity to do it after we have been distracted by so many things along they way; shinies have been on the way of that since arguably the Crown Feat. It's always going to have competition against it or things we'd rather be doing. But we need to actually prioritize and choose this since it's the build we actually voted to focus on and not be distracted by side-stuff. We already got 2 EFBs before it, there's no need to grab a third!
I want you to vote for Once and Future even if would be worse at this exact moment, because this purchase is what our build was aiming towards since we choose Core Panoply. Let's actually go through with our commitments here, then we can pursue side stuff and less core things; and A-DS is definitely that.
With the way our update schedule has decreased so far along with our activity, plus the fact the it's just 10 days until our Arete doubling ends; it's quite likely we won't be able to get Once and Future at all unless we grab it here, especially when you consider the fact that it requires a pick too. The low-cost of A-DS makes it much more feasible to buy in a low activity period and it would remain available as a panic option due to only needing Arete.
The opportunity cost of not grabbing Once and Future here is just too high; while both A-DS and Exalted Spirit can much more easily be acquired in later circumstances due to not having such a high cost. It's to the point that if we somehow don't manage to get Once and Future here I'd rather not spend at all and save the pick for our Defining Advancement; that's how much spending on other things not Once and Future costs for me right now.
We finally have the opportunity to do it after we have been distracted by so many things along they way; shinies have been on the way of that since arguably the Crown Feat. It's always going to have competition against it or things we'd rather be doing. But we need to actually prioritize and choose this since it's the build we actually voted to focus on and not be distracted by side-stuff. We already got 2 EFBs before it, there's no need to grab a third!
I want you to vote for Once and Future even if would be worse at this exact moment, because this purchase is what our build was aiming towards since we choose Core Panoply. Let's actually go through with our commitments here, then we can pursue side stuff and less core things; and A-DS is definitely that.
Last edited:
If you're concerned about the parties safety should Hunger run off, remember that he can now teleport home. In addition, the wife and kids will be relatively secure while they're palling around with the Princess and the rebels, since the kind of military action required to actually wipe out Royalist armed forces would give Hunger lots of time to warp back in.
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- They
Hmm. I feel like most combinations work pretty well in this vote.
Once and Future + Lord Protector might be an good one if we quickly join with Eruntael and than blitz for the Tyrant. Though, if he declines to meet us in the open himself, the conflict might be dragged for an good long while and that will make people suffer from Decimator.
OaF + Decimation on the other hand might give us enough power to quickly overcome the Huntress moon target, if its combat related.
ADS/ES + Lord Protector is very well suited to our previous plan of simply flipping all his minions through raw charisma and intelligence. But that might take time.
ADS/ES + Decimation is also pretty good, if the target isn't combat oriented and even if it is, comprehensive protection through power of ruin is pretty good.
Edit:
Once and Future + Lord Protector might be an good one if we quickly join with Eruntael and than blitz for the Tyrant. Though, if he declines to meet us in the open himself, the conflict might be dragged for an good long while and that will make people suffer from Decimator.
OaF + Decimation on the other hand might give us enough power to quickly overcome the Huntress moon target, if its combat related.
ADS/ES + Lord Protector is very well suited to our previous plan of simply flipping all his minions through raw charisma and intelligence. But that might take time.
ADS/ES + Decimation is also pretty good, if the target isn't combat oriented and even if it is, comprehensive protection through power of ruin is pretty good.
Edit:
Wife? Catherine's dead bruh.
Last edited:
Picture the absurdity of OaF+Lord Protector.
Hunger's a mid-level badass by the standard of these dudes. Imagine a MMA guy who's just barely gone pro wanders into your strategic meeting and claims to be ready to defeat all of Europe if you sell him Big Ben and the Crown Jewels.
Upon taking the deal, he juggles the jewels for a second before passing them back to the queen, shlorps Big Ben into his cape, and goes super-saiyan.
France and Germany capitulate in the morning, with Spain and Italy soon to follow. The news is full of the exploits of your mercenary, smashing entire armored divisions as he goes.
When interviewed, he admits that a month ago he was as weak as a kitten.
What even is Progression?
Hunger's a mid-level badass by the standard of these dudes. Imagine a MMA guy who's just barely gone pro wanders into your strategic meeting and claims to be ready to defeat all of Europe if you sell him Big Ben and the Crown Jewels.
Upon taking the deal, he juggles the jewels for a second before passing them back to the queen, shlorps Big Ben into his cape, and goes super-saiyan.
France and Germany capitulate in the morning, with Spain and Italy soon to follow. The news is full of the exploits of your mercenary, smashing entire armored divisions as he goes.
When interviewed, he admits that a month ago he was as weak as a kitten.
What even is Progression?
- Location
- Pindorama
Once and Future would also substantially boost the power of our Enclosure Summon, from Middle Rank to High Rank; that's a ton of value with any option but especially Decimator since it's the one that mentions using the spell explicitly. But still, if we go Lord Protector it would be nice to pressure him enough for him to lack summons while simultaneously boosting our own, plus all the benefits Once and Future gives to martial confrontations. It would also mean breaking 10+ on our blood stuff; while that has unknown effects I assume breaking the scale leads to some pretty good things. Once and Future boosts us pretty comprehensively too, is all I'm saying.
[X] Once and Future I
[X] The Lord Protector
Sounds like it's time to get out there and kill him, all goes well and we'll be done by dinner. I'm honestly a bit skeptical taking the time to rally the legions will offset the additional summoning time it allows LP to do. On the face of it feels better to just go straight in, the hour for our summon at most.
[X] The Long Voyage
I choose this one because it looks to have a better chance for another crack at the greatest fish of all.
[X] The Lord Protector
Sounds like it's time to get out there and kill him, all goes well and we'll be done by dinner. I'm honestly a bit skeptical taking the time to rally the legions will offset the additional summoning time it allows LP to do. On the face of it feels better to just go straight in, the hour for our summon at most.
[X] The Long Voyage
I choose this one because it looks to have a better chance for another crack at the greatest fish of all.
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
Really, all this "OaF or ADS" nonsense is weaksauce. Just conjure 20 Arete from the ether and grab both! Or, failing that, we'll have to desperately toil in the Arete mines, I suppose.
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- They
Even with OaF, we would merely be favoured in an clash against the Tyrant. I don't think we can singlehandedly best both him and his legions. Eruntael might be needed to have an good chance.