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A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Italy
...I give it three story posts at most.
Or at least I would, but Shadowlord seems to be gaining ground.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
It will always be offered so we can get it next time, basically.
This was originally my stance, but Rihaku has been pretty relentlessly negative on the ring. I think at this point it's likely there will be a contest of primacy and whoever it involves could stomp us at the moment. I still wouldn't mind buying War preeminence though, it might get us more insight and it brings our Rank up enough hopefully people will be swayed to start buying base Rank when it becomes available and we can take advantage of Uttermost's multiplier finally.
- Location
- Pindorama
Shadowlord nullifies sound to the point it nullifies Sound nad Music based attacks, so it's probably bullshit, yeah.
Yes, but if we need to buy a Stance because of insufficient preparation, we would be in the same situation anyway; and given that I'd much prefer Shadowlord since it gives us completely new capabilities and helps with the Infiltration most of all. I know you want to buy All-Defeating Stance so more Stances wouldn't be ad for you, but I want to buy something else with that Arete instead. If we are not planning to but Ruling Ring soon, I see no reason to save.
I don't think any Stance would help with that though. Unless you want to rush Once and Future? I'm not interest in that as I said, so if we need to keep buying 7-Arete options to survive, so be it. We won't likely be able to steal the Ring outright; but sabotage and assassination can still greatly weaken the Inner Ring bit by bit while strengthening us at the same time; until the balance of power falls in our favor and we can take the thing. It's not any less or more long-term than the social approach in this regard, really.
Considering the implications of how important the Starforges are, we even have a very juicy target lined up...
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
- Location
- The Voyaging Realm
I'm aware that we're never going to be purely a mage build. However, I very much want us to have some magic capacity, and my experience with this thread indicates that if I throw everything I have at every Mage option that appears, ever, then I will win a small fraction of the time, and we'll have a warrior-mage build that's weighted heavily towards warrior.
If I stop throwing everything I have at every mage option... Then things may end up even worse. That's my perspective. Effectively, I can't ever support non-mage options because they win too much already.
If Mage-focused options won even a quarter of the time, I'd be much less aggressive about it, and would probably run off after non-mage blurbs that sounded cool.
In conclusion, from my perspective refusing to take any option that isn't more magic does, in fact, make sense. My votes don't exist in a vacuum, they're a response to my experiences in this quest.
And honestly, I wouldn't be terribly sore about losing to Shadowlord. It's a cool power. But a mage option has a chance to win here, and if I give it up it may be a long time before another equally viable chance arrives. I have to seize every opportunity with both hands or I'll never get anything at all.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
The issue is that Hunger is just... more or less the opposite of a mage build. The ring actively makes learning magic significantly harder. We lucked out that surgecrafting doesn't require book knowledge.
I have no objection to learning magic, but we need to get a set up ready first since otherwise learning it will take a prohibitively long time.
Pillars is good because a realm crafted to your desires lets you set up stakes to speed things up with minimal real risk.
I have no objection to learning magic, but we need to get a set up ready first since otherwise learning it will take a prohibitively long time.
Pillars is good because a realm crafted to your desires lets you set up stakes to speed things up with minimal real risk.
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Lealope
Not yet invincible
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Damn, somehow missed that entire page, only noticed when I checked the fanwork index. Good stuff, feeling bad about our boy Nine but perhaps it was inevitable.
[9] The Promises Of A Man
The only way out is through.
Rihaku
The Internet
Looks like I'll have to eliminate all options besides Shadowlord and Edeldross Adept! Surprising, I thought Vigor Incarnate would be very competitive here given its suitability to your strategy... alas! Some things were not meant to be.
It's interesting that SAVEgang has suddenly lost support now that you guys have a lot of Arete. There's been a considerable amount of fanwork since I last reviewed so you're probably not that far off from buying Once and Future during an appropriate Experience spending point, or even snap-buying All-Defeating Stance! Something to consider.
Just steal the test papers!Shadowcord isn't a bad influence on Letrizia at all
Yup, I'm a bit nostalgic for those gritty earlier fights, where Hunger had to be actually careful to avoid injury... now he just kills himself willy-nilly!
That's what he said though?
It's interesting that SAVEgang has suddenly lost support now that you guys have a lot of Arete. There's been a considerable amount of fanwork since I last reviewed so you're probably not that far off from buying Once and Future during an appropriate Experience spending point, or even snap-buying All-Defeating Stance! Something to consider.
Just steal the test papers!
Yup, I'm a bit nostalgic for those gritty earlier fights, where Hunger had to be actually careful to avoid injury... now he just kills himself willy-nilly!
That's what he said though?
TwistedJester
Tired Lurker King
- Location
- Hell
Some might say it's a problem to keep trying to kill yourself, but I say it's a smart play!
Isn't this why we were going after the ring in the first place? To somewhat nullify the penalty with ++progression? Before Rihaku scared us off of it anyways, something I'm not convinced is necessarily to our benefit, because while there very well might be a ruling ring in the hands of someone stronger than us, there also very well may not or may be in the hands of someone weaker than us. Waiting on this until we know for sure, or until we feel more confident, or until we finally set around to grinding up ranks only takes time making it that much more likely someone else of whatever strength they may be will get a ruling ring so there might be benefits to rushing it because of the possible downsides rather than despite them. Of course even with that thought we could still get stomped by someone with a ring vastly stronger than us.
Maragas
Nothing to see here.
- Location
- Tree House
I primarily vote for the Edeldross to stop us spending 7 arete as all other option for saving are too behind. 2 Spending is better than 7 spending.
No mention of final form? I checked, and it wasn't even offered that time you let us vote on two EFB's to be revealed. Or perhaps some other form ability that replaces form of rage?
Enohthree
Hypersane
[X] +1 pick below
[X] Edeldross Adept
Stealth is helpful, yes. But when we're infiltrating we're not, like, sneaking in. We're pretending to be someone we're not in order to betray them.
Also really really think about the time expenditure. We have to spend another day farming money, there's travel time to consider, and then actually gaining information is going to take some time. Probably more than a day! Because, you know, if I was in charge of processing potentially deadly hires I wouldn't trust them faster than I can get certified to scuba dive.
We do not want Apocryphal Curse to trigger while we're literally in the most dangerous part of the whole Temple. And in service of not triggering it there, we're probably going to be offered options to do stupidly risky things that take less time instead of more sensible things that take a whole day because time is a precious currency again. And doing the risky but fast stuff could net us into that same spiral again.
[X] Edeldross Adept
Stealth is helpful, yes. But when we're infiltrating we're not, like, sneaking in. We're pretending to be someone we're not in order to betray them.
Also really really think about the time expenditure. We have to spend another day farming money, there's travel time to consider, and then actually gaining information is going to take some time. Probably more than a day! Because, you know, if I was in charge of processing potentially deadly hires I wouldn't trust them faster than I can get certified to scuba dive.
We do not want Apocryphal Curse to trigger while we're literally in the most dangerous part of the whole Temple. And in service of not triggering it there, we're probably going to be offered options to do stupidly risky things that take less time instead of more sensible things that take a whole day because time is a precious currency again. And doing the risky but fast stuff could net us into that same spiral again.
Rihaku
The Internet
Current vote count?
Don't you think it's a bit early to be unleashing Hunger's Final Form?!
Don't you think it's a bit early to be unleashing Hunger's Final Form?!
- Location
- Italy
Why are people dismissing the benefits from Edeldross Adept as if it didn't give extremely good and comprehensive bonuses for the arete spent...
Just an observation which I hope might sway some people to changing their vote: I think that most of us want to get Stranglethorn right? The bonuses to it fit magnificently with our build after all. Well, consider a 50% Edeldross boost once we'll have doubled our Might and Willpower! Just strenght would jump from a value of 88 (or just 74 if the character sheet already added our willpower) to one of 132 (or a still awesome 111) while using our best buffs!
Agility would be the one who'd suffer quite a bit from getting Stranglethorn because of the -30% debuff, but thanks to Praxis adding our (at that point) doubled willpower to it, it still ends buffing it anyway! Because of this though, we should look to improve bonuses that comprehensively boost our stats in my opinion, so that we can benefit from that attribute linkage as much as possible.
Edit: well, people are changing their vote after my post but that's just cause I completely missed what was happening in the thread while writing it
Just an observation which I hope might sway some people to changing their vote: I think that most of us want to get Stranglethorn right? The bonuses to it fit magnificently with our build after all. Well, consider a 50% Edeldross boost once we'll have doubled our Might and Willpower! Just strenght would jump from a value of 88 (or just 74 if the character sheet already added our willpower) to one of 132 (or a still awesome 111) while using our best buffs!
Agility would be the one who'd suffer quite a bit from getting Stranglethorn because of the -30% debuff, but thanks to Praxis adding our (at that point) doubled willpower to it, it still ends buffing it anyway! Because of this though, we should look to improve bonuses that comprehensively boost our stats in my opinion, so that we can benefit from that attribute linkage as much as possible.
Edit: well, people are changing their vote after my post but that's just cause I completely missed what was happening in the thread while writing it
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- Location
- Earth
Oh god damn it we are so close to 24/25
sigh I just want to give Evening Sky love but Edeldross is cheaper
[X] Edeldross Adept
[X] +1 pick below
needs must, and I was okay with either one's effects anyhow
sigh I just want to give Evening Sky love but Edeldross is cheaper
[X] Edeldross Adept
[X] +1 pick below
needs must, and I was okay with either one's effects anyhow
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- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
[X] Edeldross Adept
[X] +1 pick below
With the news that we have almost 25 Arete saved up, here's my entirely expected backstabbing of Shadowlord!
The Ring might be beyond our safe acquisition at the moment, but you know what isn't? Total Eclipse.
It's also a EFB with enormous future potential, much like the Ring, and I expect it to have enormous synergies with Edeldross.
And unlike those filthy scrub-tier picks like Once and Future, it builds towards a balanced build with an EFB for each artifact, instead of putting it all on Red.
[X] +1 pick below
With the news that we have almost 25 Arete saved up, here's my entirely expected backstabbing of Shadowlord!
The Ring might be beyond our safe acquisition at the moment, but you know what isn't? Total Eclipse.
It's also a EFB with enormous future potential, much like the Ring, and I expect it to have enormous synergies with Edeldross.
And unlike those filthy scrub-tier picks like Once and Future, it builds towards a balanced build with an EFB for each artifact, instead of putting it all on Red.
- Location
- US
[X] Edeldross Adept
[X] +1 pick below
SAVE Gang ooh!
[X] +1 pick below
SAVE Gang ooh!
Lealope
Not yet invincible
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I should highlight this. Considering how Rihaku has previously recommended we buy a Power-type EFB, which is exactly what All-Defeating Stance is. This is our best shot at finally beating this place and doing other stuff, why not take it?
If we have to spend for something, why not the options that lets us work towards an EFB? Isn't that the essence of S A V I N G? Regardless of our plan to Infiltrate, we'll likely need significantly more combat ability if we want to do so safely.
The least risky option for infiltration doesn't necessarily correspond to the least risky option for overcoming the Temple entirely!
There's quite a significant difference between being able to purchase two Stances and only purchasing one. I can't really say much regarding preferences but choosing Power-types in such a dangerous circumstance is likely our best chance at surviving.
But that would require yet more time and I'm sure the Apocryphal would rub its hands gleefully at the idea of letting loose while Hunger is still in the Temple. At this point, Bearic has likely outscaled Verschlengorge's current state by quite a bit, which means we can't afford to spend our days engaging in an extended campaign of sabotage or we might come back to find Gisena and Letrzia dead.
We'll be at 16 afterwards and then the next EFB we would likely buy is either Once and Future or the All-Defeating Stance, after which we'll have to follow through to get the Blade Special Advancement. If you're OK with that, then it's good.