Just so I understand - if people think that taking options that enhance our physical form are anti-synergistic, does that mean they don't want to take advantage of the +Progression to blood in this respect? That basically cuts off a whole range of options that buff ourselves.
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Lealope
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Yeah, we'd be a lot better off just taking advantage of this stuff now while keeping an eye to the future to finding something that makes our other Forms count as having blood for a massive boost to our power than to just abandon the idea of using the +Progression at all. That would be a complete and utter waste, especially in a time where we need to maximise our power gains as much as we can.
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If there's indeed any options that make Quickening synergize with the rest of our forms; I'd like to grab them first. Otherwise; we can just devote that +Progression into other avenues of Blood advancement. Such is the priviledge of Progression-type Cursebearer after all; we can just invest in the next best thing rather than be pigeonholed.
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My guy, we're unlikely to get something that makes our other forms count as having Blood unless we actually take the prerequisite that would make that a worthwhile get. We already know that there's even more powerful options gated behind Quickening (which is already pretty ridiculous by itself), why would you assume that those aren't where we get the necessary Advancements from? Especially when Quickening is already confirmed to interact with the Form tree.
Moreover, we've got to specialize to an extent if we want to make it through here. Aren't you tired of constantly almost dying to pretty much everything? Then take something that makes us better at not dying and opens up options for a very smooth power curve to actually start conquering this Temple rather than getting bogged down by hesitation and Conditions. This is a chance to make our playstyle really work for us. Why give that up?
That sounds mighty strange, we would take an option that enhances another before taking that one? Hunger isn't even clear which direction to research to get Quickening to work in all Forms if he takes it, why would not taking it first make that easier?..
And the majority of our combat power so far was swording, with Bloodmagic now being used to make us better at it. It's a subtle art, not something easily used for bloodbending. Of course we can go against the grain and try to put square pegs in round holes, but I'm not sure this is the place for it.
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We didn't need Iron Curtain for Dreadnought's Bearing, for example. There's still no mention of Quickening being required for further upgrades anywhere when usually they are in the option itself; it's been like that with Vanguard, the Martial Stances, Pearlescence, etc. I actually can't think of an example otherwise, even. The evidence we need Quickening for further advancements is low.
Luckily Saint is the safest option, so it is much better at this whole not dying thing I've been hearing so much about! It increases our power too, and makes us better against magic when we are fighting a whole civ whose soldiers rely on their magic soul powers! Isn't it great?
I mean, currently base Bloodmight doesn't enhance our others forms either, so that's already a reason to take it! There's no need to have even more anti-synergy first!
I mean, the Pseudo-Grace makes us better at SORD too; and the likely hood of fighting magic-using enemies remains high. We aren't exactly revolutionizing our style here.
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never wanted to take the Ring of Blood dude, not gonna let it dictate all of our choices. Form of Rage cost just as much to get, you know.
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My dude
And yeah, the option that gives our hypothetical Final Form blood is probably the one that gates the stuff that would give all our other Forms blood. That seems like pretty straightforward logic to me.
Safest for our immediate circumstances, sure. Safest for the Inner Temple? Considering our Form of Rage isn't enough to guarantee victory in that place and even the Knight Commander has a solid chance of beating it, nah fam, we're going to have to really powerlevel, hence we should go with an option that gives +Progression.
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It will take a while till we get rid of that 'anti-synergy', even longer if we don't actually invest in blood magic and are so weakly incentivized to do it. It'll always be more advantageous to get more powers than to shore up that 'weakness' unless Blood enhancements comprise an important part of our power.
All that time is time spent not using +Progression to blood to make us a better murdehobo.
I get that, I really do, but this feels like cutting off our nose to spite ourselves.
Given ++progression is x10 XP, +progression to blood might be two to three times as many picks for the related field. You tell me if that's valuable.
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Sure, but it's not like all Blood Advancements are locked behind it. Study the Ring is proof enough of that. There's no need to see Quickening as a mandatory requirement.
The Inner Temple is far away enough that nothing we choose right now gives us decent odds to beat it. Especially given Paralysis. Why not powerlevel with the option that makes it the safest to do so? Especially given this applies to all our forms and so leverages them maximally. That even Form of Rage might be in trouble is not a reason to make it comparatively weaker, but to strengthen it even more. It can hardly be a panic button in this state!
Again, pure stats doesn't mean more safety given the esoterica available to Soul Evocation. Nullity provides a far more comprehensive defense and so gives far better odds of defeating any Soul Evocation user. That makes it the option that addresses the Inner Temple most safely to me.
I don't think literally every option available is going to have anti-synergy. So we can Progress using Blood for those things; if our use shapes what we can get; surely it can take it into account. That's just how a Progression-type Cursebearer works anyway. We have been offered options that shored up weakness of other options we didn't even take before. There's no need to take Quickening hoping it won't be anti-synergistic. We can just take something else.
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But it's not just about Quickening, that's what my question was about. By the Ring's nature the blood powers work much better for enhancing stuff that has blood. Hunger has Progression so he could probably circumvent that limitation in time, but he doesn't know how long it'll take.
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But, Comrade! Bloodslayer is the SORD option here! Quickening exist mostly to make SORDING better!
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This isn't solved by taking more blood stuff, this is stuff communing with the Ring is for. Because then we'd understand the Ring more and it's limitations. If you are hoping to get blood synergy with our other forms, I suggest voting for it.
I'm of the opinion that actually using the magic heavily will do far more for our understanding of it than any amount of Ring-gazing.
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Sure, but we kind of want that form synergy as soon as possible, and Ring-gazing definitely helps with that. Even if you are voting for Bloodslayer, why not maximize the chances to see the upgrades you want?
The vast majority of our power is in our ability to hit things with our sword and survive the trip doing so involves. Blood options that help doing that are going to be far more valuable than ones that have to make some awkward workaround that leaves them viable in all three forms. There's things the Domain of blood does well, and provide the most value per pick/arete, then there's things it can do but it's going to do less efficiently. The sort of direct buffing quickening is giving us is pretty clearly skimming off the cream of the ability as suited to us. Waiting until we get some sort of enhanced debuffing ability that's always viable is going to cost more for what if offers overall, all the while burning away time we could have been benefiting from the multiplier boost to advancement. Take the low hanging fruit, it tastes good.
