- Location
- Omniverse #1345
I am despairing that I am so unconvincing that people are voting for a nigh-sucidical action rather than be convinced.
A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Pindorama
I mean, if we take two Echoes we basically offset Paralysis entirely; meaning we benefit from 0.5 Rank and +All Stats. It's still a large jump in power, just not an overwhelming one. But thrifty expenditure now gets us amazing rewards later.
Then we just go home, and try again tomorrow. The perfect plan would be getting the Hunters again for Scent and just grinding safely until we get the required Arete then we use Scent to locate something that drops Passion. Things won't likely be as neat as I make seem, but it's totally viable.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
We don't get to go home. Because we don't get to evade boss interrupts. Did you not read that post at all? I mean I'm just... I have no idea what you are even saying here. Do you think we're going to magically poof back to versch? That entire post was the risk of running into something on the way back. Which was most of the reason people got so terrified of exhausted.
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Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
Hero-Defeating Stance: Am I a joke to you?
Actually, this is fairly compelling. I might vote for Blademight if ring doesn't get through consolidation, I suppose.
Yes, and half of overwhelming (or however much this plus gives us) is also pretty good... the stats and increased Ring potency aren't bad either, and aside from that the goal of this Temple run isn't to get near short term growth but to outscale Ber, which takes more than investing in Protection and Evening Gown given a limited pool. Like, yeah, it's concedable that your option will make us better at clearing the Temple right now, but at the same time, you increase risk to unacceptable levels with Exhausted. You think it's suicidal, some of us don't agree, continuing to say that it is suicidal won't convince us. Form of Rage thus far has reduced the risk of each option by an order of magnitude, and the solution is not to run back out (and risk encountering the Dreadbeast, as you say) without our most powerful contingency. At least our build compensates for the major complication it takes, provides reasonable defense against the beasts in the Temple, and a roadmap to success outside the Temple.
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
ACTIONS. HAVE. CONSEQUENCES.
That's the tag I prefer, really, but I do admire your energy.
DarkSideBard
Flying, without moving on
[X] Lingering Paralysis
[X] The Ring of Power - Dominion
[X] The Ring of Power - Preeminence
[X] Forebear's Blade - Echo of the Forebear x2
K
[X] The Ring of Power - Dominion
[X] The Ring of Power - Preeminence
[X] Forebear's Blade - Echo of the Forebear x2
K
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
At the end of the day, we're still stronger than we were at the start of the day with Ring Build. If it wasn't insane hubris to come to the Inner Temple this morning, it won't be insane hubris to come here again tomorrow - especially if we manage to get some more party members to reduce the risk even further, and play it conservative with enemy choices.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
We are not going to survive the temple run. You are taking our survival as a given. It isn't. We are fucked and you're arguing for an action that will fuck us deeper into the hole.
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
- Location
- The Voyaging Realm
I kinda want "The Not Dying Voter Faction" to be a thread tag now.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Not with the injuries and condition we aren't. You are just... I don't get it.
It's like seeing your character scrape by on 1 hp three times in a row and going "I can totally keep doing this!" You can't. Thinking you can is insane. This was a weak patrol. What do you think a moderate one would do to us?
- Location
- Pindorama
We do have a chance, especially if we don't take Exhausted, especially especially since we are stronger now than we were when they were first presented. We just need to escape.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
No, we aren't. Now we're in wraith form, already injured an unknown amount, suffering a new crippling injury, and are taking the weakest possible build.
If we were starting in full health in our physical form yeah, we would be in a noticeably better position. We aren't.
And we're still in a poorer position than we should be, for all of these purchases.
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- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
We survived the "temple run" today, while weaker than we will be tomorrow with Ring build. What do you think the actual chances of enemies tracking us down as we leave are? I'm estimating it at around, hmm, 20% probably? Enough to require a bad roll.
Meditations on the Sword
Rihaku
The Internet
Meditations on the Sword
What does Hunger plan to do upon returning to the camp site? This presupposes you will survive until then, which is likely for most builds but not entirely guaranteed.
[ ] Study the Blood - Though impaired by the Ring, this is somewhat compensated for by the +Progression of Chief Dominion. There might be valuable insights to be gained from practicing with the Ring of Blood's influence. Though it resists formal analysis, raw experience can produce a type of intuition that grasps at the contours of the ability, giving you a qualitative understanding of its limits and how they might be exceeded.
*May unlock further Blood-based Advancements, or modify existing Advancements with Blood-based insight
*Commune with the Ring
[ ] Speak to Letrizia - Evasive before about the grand strategic situation of the Human Sphere, much less any details of her own government and her role in it. Perhaps she'd be willing to clarify such now? It could be good to get Hunger's mind off the Call of the Ring and the situation in the Temple. One cannot only unerringly pursue duty, and if it takes duty of a different kind to enforce that distraction, then so be it. [+Letrizia, +Info]
[ ] Speak to Gisena - Confront Gisena about her statement before. Though they've been through much together in this week, why would she feel such loyalty to Hunger? Perhaps the answer is as simple as this: Hunger would find the death of any companion unacceptable, so naturally she reciprocates. Or perhaps the matter is deeper than that. What are Hunger's own feelings? Perhaps it is time to dredge up old wounds. It has been over three seasons since they died... [+Gisena, +Info]
[ ] Study Verschlengorge - Hunger is pretty sure he can heal Verschlengorge to Rank 5, with all the attendant consequences thereof.
[ ] Something Else - Something riskier, perhaps?
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Alright, let's get this build finished so the story can move on! You're at 12.5 Arete so you can spend up to 14 (if taking 3 picks) without Arete debt.
[ ] Star-Blade Saint - Exhaustion, Echo of the Forebear, Evening Gown (+AGI, +CHA), A Thousand Cuts
*Uses the default ++++AGI, ++++STR, +30% attack speed Pseudo-Grace
*The safest overall option, though not the highest short-term power
*Large stat buffs and Thousand Cuts compensate for Exhaustion in the short term
*Has some noncombat utility with +CHA
*Finally buffs Gisena enough to get her Sorcerous Evolution!
*A very respectable increase in AGI and STR allows for a powerful Thousand Cuts
*Defensively, mostly relies on increased evasion from high +AGI
*Makes you immune to Gisena's Nullity, allowing for increased cooperation in battle
*Wow, Thousand Cuts is so good with increased stats! All builds with high +STR/+AGI and Thousand Cuts can kill a substantially larger range of enemies than before, to a degree varying on the amount of stats gained.
*Not quite as good at using immediate power to seize more power as the Bloodslayer
*Buffs disappear if Evening Sky is dispersed, though this is unlikely except against overwhelming opposition
*A build that can pursue most paths forward in reasonable safety
[ ] Bloodslayer - Lingering Paralysis, Quickening, A Thousand Cuts
*Exploits your +Progression from Chief Dominion and opens up further, even mightier Blood-based Advancements
*Has a small window of relative vulnerability while your ghost form returns to flesh, though you retain Form of Rage availability during such
*Once you return to flesh, you can farm aggressively with the overwhelming strength, speed, and resilience of your new flesh form, with physical parameters over twice as great as your previous baseline (due to increasing value per +).
*Multiplicative increase in your overall combat power due to compounding effects of greater speed, greater strength, higher damage tolerance, tripled regeneration, heightened senses / reaction speed / thinking speed, and halved wound penalties, and further multiplied by access to Thousand Cuts
*Seriously, the option offers 25 +s of stats (7x AGI, STR, CON, 4x WITS), and ++++ to a mental stat. While you don't get these stats in ghost form, as % of your total HP your flesh body would be higher since it has massive durability and regeneration now.
*However, these incredible bonuses are not available outside of flesh form. While your Flesh form now has the strength of a mini-Form of Rage, the anti-synergy may bother many.
*There are, of course, also benefits to pursuing blood-based Advancements, since they are just stronger than the alternatives due to +Progression, offering large amounts of immediate power now, and ways to resolve the Lingering Paralysis debuff in short order.
[ ] Balance - Exhaustion, Quadruple Echo of the Forebear, A Thousand Cuts
*A simple build that attempts to balance greed and immediate power
*Only spends 7 Arete, saving the rest for future prospects
*Fairly powerful in every form, reasonable Thousand Cuts synergy
*Strong Form of Rage
*Don't underestimate this build just because it's uncomplicated!
*While it can probably survive, it's not really suited to ambitious fights
*What are you actually going to spend the saved Arete on? I suppose you could search for another magic system, but since you are already at +Progression in Blood, you may be best off spending that Arete on a future Blood Advancement.
*Hunger feels that this, and stronger builds, can somewhat safely venture into the outskirts of the Middle Temple with varying degrees of success. Enemies much stronger than the Goldenrod Bowman can be felled by the combination of STATS + Thousand Cuts.
[ ] Heedless War - Lingering Paralysis, Double Echo of the Forebear, Preeminence: War
*An aggressive build that goes all-in on the Ruling Ring
*With 2 Echoes and +All Stats from Preeminence, can make a reasonable Balance impression but lacks the foe-slaying might of Thousand Cuts. Does benefit from +Protection, +Wits etc on the defensive end, though.
*While +All Stats is amazing, a lack of focused combat power and no Thousand Cuts makes it the weakest of the builds by a large margin.
*Still, if it works and you find a foe that drops Preeminence: Passion, you're only (3 + 6) Arete and 2 picks away from Ruling Ring!
*Form of Rage can still bail you out. A fairly strong Form of Rage due to high Rank, though this doesn't offset the lack of Thousand Cuts
*Do you really want to incite the contest of primacy while taking a build that offers less immediate power? You don't even know what the contest does or if there are any other valid competitors, let alone their potential power levels!
*May be difficult to find an enemy that drops Preeminence: Passion, though if you look hard you can probably find one within a week or so. You may have to risk the Middle Temple again.
*Not a terribly safe build at this juncture
*And yet, if you gamble and win, and if the contest of primacy doesn't introduce any devastating complications beyond your level... think of the benefits! Incredible Progression and causality warping powers are yours! Unconditional ++INT, ++WIS, ++CHA, ++Protection, etc!
What does Hunger plan to do upon returning to the camp site? This presupposes you will survive until then, which is likely for most builds but not entirely guaranteed.
[ ] Study the Blood - Though impaired by the Ring, this is somewhat compensated for by the +Progression of Chief Dominion. There might be valuable insights to be gained from practicing with the Ring of Blood's influence. Though it resists formal analysis, raw experience can produce a type of intuition that grasps at the contours of the ability, giving you a qualitative understanding of its limits and how they might be exceeded.
*May unlock further Blood-based Advancements, or modify existing Advancements with Blood-based insight
*Commune with the Ring
[ ] Speak to Letrizia - Evasive before about the grand strategic situation of the Human Sphere, much less any details of her own government and her role in it. Perhaps she'd be willing to clarify such now? It could be good to get Hunger's mind off the Call of the Ring and the situation in the Temple. One cannot only unerringly pursue duty, and if it takes duty of a different kind to enforce that distraction, then so be it. [+Letrizia, +Info]
[ ] Speak to Gisena - Confront Gisena about her statement before. Though they've been through much together in this week, why would she feel such loyalty to Hunger? Perhaps the answer is as simple as this: Hunger would find the death of any companion unacceptable, so naturally she reciprocates. Or perhaps the matter is deeper than that. What are Hunger's own feelings? Perhaps it is time to dredge up old wounds. It has been over three seasons since they died... [+Gisena, +Info]
[ ] Study Verschlengorge - Hunger is pretty sure he can heal Verschlengorge to Rank 5, with all the attendant consequences thereof.
[ ] Something Else - Something riskier, perhaps?
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Alright, let's get this build finished so the story can move on! You're at 12.5 Arete so you can spend up to 14 (if taking 3 picks) without Arete debt.
[ ] Star-Blade Saint - Exhaustion, Echo of the Forebear, Evening Gown (+AGI, +CHA), A Thousand Cuts
*Uses the default ++++AGI, ++++STR, +30% attack speed Pseudo-Grace
*The safest overall option, though not the highest short-term power
*Large stat buffs and Thousand Cuts compensate for Exhaustion in the short term
*Has some noncombat utility with +CHA
*Finally buffs Gisena enough to get her Sorcerous Evolution!
*A very respectable increase in AGI and STR allows for a powerful Thousand Cuts
*Defensively, mostly relies on increased evasion from high +AGI
*Makes you immune to Gisena's Nullity, allowing for increased cooperation in battle
*Wow, Thousand Cuts is so good with increased stats! All builds with high +STR/+AGI and Thousand Cuts can kill a substantially larger range of enemies than before, to a degree varying on the amount of stats gained.
*Not quite as good at using immediate power to seize more power as the Bloodslayer
*Buffs disappear if Evening Sky is dispersed, though this is unlikely except against overwhelming opposition
*A build that can pursue most paths forward in reasonable safety
[ ] Bloodslayer - Lingering Paralysis, Quickening, A Thousand Cuts
*Exploits your +Progression from Chief Dominion and opens up further, even mightier Blood-based Advancements
*Has a small window of relative vulnerability while your ghost form returns to flesh, though you retain Form of Rage availability during such
*Once you return to flesh, you can farm aggressively with the overwhelming strength, speed, and resilience of your new flesh form, with physical parameters over twice as great as your previous baseline (due to increasing value per +).
*Multiplicative increase in your overall combat power due to compounding effects of greater speed, greater strength, higher damage tolerance, tripled regeneration, heightened senses / reaction speed / thinking speed, and halved wound penalties, and further multiplied by access to Thousand Cuts
*Seriously, the option offers 25 +s of stats (7x AGI, STR, CON, 4x WITS), and ++++ to a mental stat. While you don't get these stats in ghost form, as % of your total HP your flesh body would be higher since it has massive durability and regeneration now.
*However, these incredible bonuses are not available outside of flesh form. While your Flesh form now has the strength of a mini-Form of Rage, the anti-synergy may bother many.
*There are, of course, also benefits to pursuing blood-based Advancements, since they are just stronger than the alternatives due to +Progression, offering large amounts of immediate power now, and ways to resolve the Lingering Paralysis debuff in short order.
[ ] Balance - Exhaustion, Quadruple Echo of the Forebear, A Thousand Cuts
*A simple build that attempts to balance greed and immediate power
*Only spends 7 Arete, saving the rest for future prospects
*Fairly powerful in every form, reasonable Thousand Cuts synergy
*Strong Form of Rage
*Don't underestimate this build just because it's uncomplicated!
*While it can probably survive, it's not really suited to ambitious fights
*What are you actually going to spend the saved Arete on? I suppose you could search for another magic system, but since you are already at +Progression in Blood, you may be best off spending that Arete on a future Blood Advancement.
*Hunger feels that this, and stronger builds, can somewhat safely venture into the outskirts of the Middle Temple with varying degrees of success. Enemies much stronger than the Goldenrod Bowman can be felled by the combination of STATS + Thousand Cuts.
[ ] Heedless War - Lingering Paralysis, Double Echo of the Forebear, Preeminence: War
*An aggressive build that goes all-in on the Ruling Ring
*With 2 Echoes and +All Stats from Preeminence, can make a reasonable Balance impression but lacks the foe-slaying might of Thousand Cuts. Does benefit from +Protection, +Wits etc on the defensive end, though.
*While +All Stats is amazing, a lack of focused combat power and no Thousand Cuts makes it the weakest of the builds by a large margin.
*Still, if it works and you find a foe that drops Preeminence: Passion, you're only (3 + 6) Arete and 2 picks away from Ruling Ring!
*Form of Rage can still bail you out. A fairly strong Form of Rage due to high Rank, though this doesn't offset the lack of Thousand Cuts
*Do you really want to incite the contest of primacy while taking a build that offers less immediate power? You don't even know what the contest does or if there are any other valid competitors, let alone their potential power levels!
*May be difficult to find an enemy that drops Preeminence: Passion, though if you look hard you can probably find one within a week or so. You may have to risk the Middle Temple again.
*Not a terribly safe build at this juncture
*And yet, if you gamble and win, and if the contest of primacy doesn't introduce any devastating complications beyond your level... think of the benefits! Incredible Progression and causality warping powers are yours! Unconditional ++INT, ++WIS, ++CHA, ++Protection, etc!
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
[X] Speak to Letrizia
[X] Star-Blade Saint
I've said my piece here. Bloodslayer is useless in the extreme short term and too reliant on not ever using Wraith form.
Balance is... not actually very balanced. Gives stats and Cuts and not much else. Decent but... vulnerable.
Heedless war... has so many warning attached to it...
[X] Star-Blade Saint
I've said my piece here. Bloodslayer is useless in the extreme short term and too reliant on not ever using Wraith form.
Balance is... not actually very balanced. Gives stats and Cuts and not much else. Decent but... vulnerable.
Heedless war... has so many warning attached to it...
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[X] Star-Blade Saint
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
[X] Study Verschlengorge
[X] Star-Blade Saint
These synergize. Getting the mecha stronger makes us a bit safer while we recuperate outside the temple from Exhaustion.
[X] Star-Blade Saint
These synergize. Getting the mecha stronger makes us a bit safer while we recuperate outside the temple from Exhaustion.
- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Star-Blade Saint
I honestly have no preference/idea as to what to do in the camp.
I do know I really like the themes Evening Sky has, and I want to pursue them further.
I honestly have no preference/idea as to what to do in the camp.
I do know I really like the themes Evening Sky has, and I want to pursue them further.
- Location
- Pindorama
[X] Study the Blood
[X] Heedless War
Let's do this. Who dares wins. We just need to make that final dash; and we already have Form of Rage as a safety net. Strengthens the Ring while relying on it. We can do this.
[X] Heedless War
Let's do this. Who dares wins. We just need to make that final dash; and we already have Form of Rage as a safety net. Strengthens the Ring while relying on it. We can do this.
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Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
I'm reading this as a hint to suck up the antisynergy (dysergy?) and jump on the blood train already. But I don't want to split the Not Dying faction... hm, it's early enough to give it a shot.
[X] Study the Blood
[X] Bloodslayer
[X] Study the Blood
[X] Bloodslayer
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
We need to be careful about potentially summoning stronger astral beasts while Hunger is Exhausted. Do it in a day or two?
