[X] The Plumed Offering
[X] Evening Sky - Pristine Star

I'm pretty content with most of the options here, just tossing a vote in because I really liked Vali's omake.
 
You guys are a tad below 6.2 Arete before +Arete options, so 6.7 with Plumed and 7.2 with Tyrant.

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[ ] Recuperate - Rest for now until the Exhausted and Tired conditions clear, then continue onwards without diverging from the plan. It's likely you'll outscale this particular enemy without any special actions. Don't get distracted and focus on your own Progression.

Bolding is mine. Again, I'm only a little worried about this guy. He cautious, so much so that when he couldn't see our power level he ran. His allies are dead and he'll need to hire new ones. He mentioned leveling up, so given his caution I assume that means going to some zone and grinding, rather than some crazy instant level-up plan where he fights monsters with a 10% chance of killing him. Our fight with him exhausted him.

Eyes on the prize, that being the Once and Future King.

Also, we could make plans. This is the second time an astral portal has opened directly at our location. There's got to be some way to make that stop happening, or at least plan for dealing with it.
 
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No clue how to sort this one so have tallies organized by both both pseudo-plan and line by line.
 
Also, we could make plans. This is the second time an astral portal has opened directly at our location. There's got to be some way to make that stop happening, or at least plan for dealing with it.
Long term with the Apocryphal Curse a bigger fish will always show up who defeats our preparations if they aren't updated
Medium term, we can seek findross production to empower Gisena; she held him off for hours as it is, who knows what she would manage with a Fourth Coalescence.
 
Speaking of ways to buff Gisena, the Tyrant's Rank buff would certainly get you closer to a relevant Rank for Accretion-based findross manipulation... this on top of the Arete and Curse mitigations!

Bolding is mine. Again, I'm only a little worried about this guy. He cautious, so much so that when he couldn't see our power level he ran. His allies are dead and he'll need to hire new ones. He mentioned leveling up, so given his caution I assume that means going to some zone and grinding, rather than some crazy instant level-up plan where he fights monsters with a 10% chance of killing him. Our fight with him exhausted him.

Hunger believes it's likely, yes. But on what time scale will you outpace him? And what does "likely" mean? It could well represent a greater than 10% chance, which the voters already aren't willing to take. A 70% chance could be in the range of "likely."

Long term with the Apocryphal Curse a bigger fish will always show up who defeats our preparations if they aren't updated
Medium term, we can seek findross production to empower Gisena; she held him off for hours as it is, who knows what she would manage with a Fourth Coalescence.

If you grow in power (or ability) above a certain base rate, you will outscale the Apocryphal Curse to a limited degree. Not as easily as one can outscale the Geas, but it's definitely possible to get a noticeable or even near-overwhelming advantage against Apocryphal procs.
 
[X] The Plumed Offering
[X] Evening Sky - Pristine Star

Well, since people are more committed to frugality than I thought, no need to give up yet. Keep Once and Future on sight people.
 
I'm not sure what the mono-Pristine Star plan is... just wait and hope that you'll still be able to outscale Ber after gaining no combat-relevant abilities and taking five+ days off to heal? If he attacks you when you have 17 Arete stored up and kills you (or Gisena / Letrizia, which would be much easier), that Arete won't have helped at all!

If you want to take an incredibly greedy option in exchange for serious risk, the Tyrant Beast offers much better odds!

With Second Stage, you can full heal every day which vastly improves your risk-reward posture. With Pitiless Maw, every battle. With Undying Vanguard, you have much higher stats and your companions can tank and heal. Your speed of Experience gain is faster (or much faster) in all cases. If you'd had Azure Moon on long term planning I could see the logic, but you don't so you're not guaranteed any 7 Arete options with great potential in the next (however many days/weeks before Ber attacks again).
 
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Don't forget to save up while being invaded! Low Arete generation is more reason to use it early, to compound exp gains.
 
[X] The Mire Wolf
[X] Evening Sky - Pristine Star
[X] Forebear's Blade - Second Stage


Fine this seems like a fair trade off that isn't too risky but allows us to take more risks to gain xp while not using up that much Arete.
 
Switching back to my earlier vote, since the fractious milieu of the Mire Wolf voters must be unified under a single banner!

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and we're back to this

[X] The Mire Wolf
[X] Evening Sky - Pristine Star
[X] Forebear's Blade - Second Stage
 
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You know what? Since we want to save Arete; Rank ups are incredibly valuable for us and using Second Stage we'd be fully healed in a day anyway; here's to maximum risk:

[X] The Tyrant Beast
[X] Evening Sky - Pristine Star
[X] Forebear's Blade - Second Stage


This plan aims to save up as much Arete as possible while still healing us; 80% chance of being ahead is good odds and Rank Ups are incredibly valuable, especially since we reserved Once and Future. Won't deny the risk of this plan; but I think resource-wise the gains are commensurate. Just as long as we survive, we'd be fully healed in a day; much better than Undying Strength where if we are wounded we have to keep it for two weeks. All in the aim of getting that EFB. We just need to beat that 10%, and we would be out of the death spiral much farther ahead then when we started. Pretty good, if I say so myself.
 
[X] The Mire Wolf
[X] Evening Sky - Pristine Star
[X] Forebear's Blade - Second Stage

Vanguard isn't getting anywhere, so.
 
Speaking of ways to buff Gisena, the Tyrant's Rank buff would certainly get you closer to a relevant Rank for Accretion-based findross manipulation... this on top of the Arete and Curse mitigations!
Is this a passive affect of a high enough accretion rank or does a high enough rank unlock findross upgrades to purchase? Asking for Gisena.
 
Guys, Tyrant Beast vote is voting for the quest to end. The forum dice roller is evil.
Byzantine threw 10 10-faced dice. Reason: Observe. Total: 51
3 3 9 9 9 9 3 3 10 10 3 3 5 5 3 3 1 1 5 5
 
There's nothing wrong with the forum dice, it's just superstition. It's doubtful that the power Tyrant Beast adds is worth a 10% chance of death though, as has been said many times for a progression type living = power, the only necessary factor is time.
 
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