As I understand it, a T3 costs 3 Stuff. A T2 costs 2 Stuff.
We currently have 65 Stuff.
*shrugs*
We currently have 65 Stuff.
*shrugs*
Magical Girl Home Base Quest
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Wanting to grind Wands for skill increases isn't bad (though as an exalted player I must warn the d10 is a harsh mistress, I've rolled zero successes on 12d10 before, let alone no tens).
The question is kind of what we think we can do to be best prepared. More firepower isn't bad. More tools aren't bad (and our Trinkets are better tools than our Wands are guns, but only as much as one Tier, and even Tier One stuff isn't bad tbh).
I'm worried that we're going to see not only death, but quite possibly Cutscene Death, or more precisely a type of death that more firepower alone won't suffice to stop. That's why I'm voting Kolobok on the hope of a healing item and possibly raising our medical skills. Also hoping something fsintoy radioactive is less dangerous than a literal cursed sword. Course I've been wrong about a bunch of stuff this week but... surely by odds I'll get something right? 😅
I'd also have more faith in "wait for workshop upgrades" if it didn't seem weirdly hard to push workshop upgrades through. I'd love to upgrade our workshop, but it's only happened once in thirteen weeks.
The question is kind of what we think we can do to be best prepared. More firepower isn't bad. More tools aren't bad (and our Trinkets are better tools than our Wands are guns, but only as much as one Tier, and even Tier One stuff isn't bad tbh).
I'm worried that we're going to see not only death, but quite possibly Cutscene Death, or more precisely a type of death that more firepower alone won't suffice to stop. That's why I'm voting Kolobok on the hope of a healing item and possibly raising our medical skills. Also hoping something fsintoy radioactive is less dangerous than a literal cursed sword. Course I've been wrong about a bunch of stuff this week but... surely by odds I'll get something right? 😅
I'd also have more faith in "wait for workshop upgrades" if it didn't seem weirdly hard to push workshop upgrades through. I'd love to upgrade our workshop, but it's only happened once in thirteen weeks.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
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- USG Ishimura
By that same logic, if the roll goes badly and Medicine Boy is laid up with radiation poisoning, then not only does that same little girl die, but so does perhaps five or six other kids that could've lived without the healing item, and would only have needed his ministrations.
Wrong. It has to be three different material types. Far as crafting go we have four things.
You literally just spelled it out. In thirteen weeks we've only worked on the workshop once. Everything else has gotten so much more attention, it is badly lagging behind. Give it some attention, make working there and researching there get more out of it. It's not fine as it is, it could be doing so much more if we just fucking worked on it for the second fucking time ever.
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- Outside the Box
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- She/Her
Check it:
This section from the infopost indicates that there are two ways to build a higher tier item: A better equipped workshop or a high enough skill level. Logically the only way to build an item of a tier that we don't have the skill level for is if the workshop has the tools to do so, and we know that upgrading the workshop improves our tools. If you've decided that this is no longer the case then the infopost should be updated.
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I mean, I get the logic, but with so many "don't craft anything" voters, the "craft something" voters have reason to stick together (say, because they think we need the income stream).
I guess. The problem is that at this point it looks like we craft a T3 Trinket or we don't craft, because of how the vote split and how many people want to do something else entirely...
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I will promise to put my vote towards the workshop next turn if that helps. Maybe it would help if you tried making a good argument for why doing the workshop now in the middle of the crisis is overall beneficial to us. Because I think a lot of people(not all) feel doing the workshop now is taking focus away from the more immediate problems and since the workshop is functioning fine and doing what we needed it to do,(even if it's not perfect)they don't feel it's an urgent necessity to do it now. And I don't think I've seen you make an argument that isn't just 'doing the workshop option because we've worked so little on it.' or if you have you might need to be more vocal about it.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Yeah. If we hadn't done the 'work on building' action last turn, we'd have been forced to leave several magical girls out on the street. It's not impossible to make a case for a workshop upgrade (there could be some hellacious benefits locked behind it), but it needs to be made more actively than usual during a time of crisis, when the girls need weapons more than ever, and the hotel needs resources and expansion and fortification more than ever.
One issue is we really don't know how long the crisis will go for. Will next week be the finale, or the start of things going bad? If we, say, unlock something that lets us make a Level 1 Wand with every Wand crafting action, then putting it off turn after turn to craft Wands without that upgrade would be bad.
Icipall
Don't worry, we can fanfix that!
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- Cold snow fields of Finland
That's the thing, we're working with upgrade trees we cannot see, so every action we take is us taking a gamble if it will lead to an any kind of overall upgrade, or in case of upgrading building/workshop, what kind of upgrade. Will studying an artifact upgrade our crafting skills or lead to us developing some useful workshop gear, will building an item upgrade our crafting skill, will upgrading our workshop give us the upgrade we want/need, etc.
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- Plato's Cave
That the whims of the dice can decide what (or if) we get doesn't help either. 7734 mentioned somewhere that if we hadn't rolled abysmally on Jocelyn's healing, then she'd have had the option to either be a magical girl or an artificer, both of which are probably more generally useful than what we got (especially since that probably means she'd have a human body with all the advantages that come from that).
Icipall
Don't worry, we can fanfix that!
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- Cold snow fields of Finland
Yeah, also found the info for it. In the quote's spoiler box.
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It also doesn't help that the QM is not very clear on some aspects of of how upgrading works. To use a recent example, because of the way QM worded things,people in the thread were mislead into thinking that upgrading the workshop also upgraded the actual Tier of our MG gear. But no,apparently upgrading the workshop has squat to do with raising the Tier of our products,but it does increase the power of some things like durability. And the only way we're getting skill upgrades on Costumes and Bomb on par with our Trinkets(aside from major research) is if we take the inefficient option and craft them. And most of the thread was under this misconception for a while and the QM just now decided to clarify.
Chaosbrain
The End comes beyond Chaos...
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- Between East and West, North and South.
[x] [WORK] Trinket
-[x] Level 3
-[x] Level 3
7734
Trust and verify.
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- Philmont
No.
To be fair, a lot of this is deliberate since my opinion is that there should be no metaknowledge and equally importantly that there should be an element of uncertainty present in everything. Crafting items has dice-based uncertainty, creating rooms has GM-based uncertainty.
To be more accurate, I ran the numbers, and decided I didn't like the option path y'all could take if the thread managed to collect it's spaghetti long enough to maximize a paperclip. Once you took the real danger of an expected... mmm, call it 20-40 dead magical girls out of the equation, you could just blitz workshop upgrades and shit out high tier gear, at which point this would go from 'crisis' to 'taco tuesday' rather quickly. Since I know SV can hit Maximized Paperclip without too much trouble at higher levels of quest activity. In exchange, I put more Item Duplication in the table (since MG fatalities for normal activities were far lower than planned) so that with the right upgrades you could get Derrivative Wands, which are a copy of what you build but one tier lower.
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- The state of Paranoia
So it sounds like there's some kind of option for increased output of low tier stuff like we have for bombs. The question then becomes how to get that. Maybe we can get it by either upgrading the workshop or by becoming able to make higher tier stuff?
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- Canada
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- He/Him
Is there any possibility we could decrease this uncertainty slightly? I'm not saying directly define our upgrades, but even the ability to distinguish between 'Upgrade Motel Capacity' and 'Upgrade Motel Amenities' would be a huge improvement - this last vote, I went for 'work on the building' in hopes of addressing how far our sanitation and culinary capacity is falling behind our population - instead we've made that ratio worse with a bunk room.
Icipall
Don't worry, we can fanfix that!
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- Cold snow fields of Finland
Now there's something to aim towards.
Remember, we did get an upgrade to the canteen this week, whether it was simply from having Chris here, or her synchronizing with out building upgrade decision.
The quote is in the context of having changed how workshops worked (which explains why some of us were confused) so it seems likely to be from workshop upgrades.
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- Canada
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- He/Him
That was definitely how I read it. I'd been hoping for something like a stove.
7734
Trust and verify.
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- Philmont
It's entirely from Chris. While her magical power is somewhere around a dead battery's, that doesn't stop her from being amazingly useful for the Everything Else that tends to bite you.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
I will admit, the revelation that
aggravates me a bit. But the characters and plot are good enough that I'm willing to ignore how virtually everything in this game is random to the point where it's not really distinguishable from a web serial.
Jocelyn's potential plot arc with the Tyrfing shit apparently has gotten thrown out the window because she had a bad roll despite us throwing the book at salvaging her, and she's potentially now eternally stuck at hired help status
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- Earth
I am honestly tired of trying for this, and I did try my hardest. Better luck to you in the future.
Gave up already myself. We're now in the predicted situation of it being impossible to outfit all the girls effectively because we don't have the workshop and it being impossible to upgrade the workshop because we're stuck cranking out trash items and building upgrades.
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- USA
Maybe we should start charging the magical girls in labor as was done with Calypso. Want trinket/wand/costume X? Pay it off in helping expand the motel.