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The Morrsley Village Experiment

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I'm largely ignoring the Day 1/Night 1 Courtesies this game dood!

If we start limiting who can be lynched or killed this game, then there's not enough targets to actually matter dood!
 
Ok I need to go to bed so in the interest of speed I will just respond without all.the quoting.

If I am town, @Shadell I would find it pretty scummy for you to openly out me, wouldn't you?
I'm not going out on a limb for you after that without you meeting me there. Give me a reason to answer and I will.

That said I really appreciate this post:
Shadell said:
In principle, I think it's more important to avoid answering questions of unknown value, as the risks cannot be calculated. Like, someone not knowing the worth of the question doesn't mean that isn't informative to someone else.
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As for you Nictis. Methinks the lady doth protest too much. Honestly. Fine.

[X] lynch Nictis
 
ondine said:
As for you Nictis. Methinks the lady doth protest too much. Honestly. Fine.

[X] lynch Nictis
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I found it strange because you certainly seemed more suspicious of me, and I've been Town Reading Shadell dood!
Plus the reasoning for lynching Shadell seemed to go away pretty quickly, and apply better to me dood!
So it was odd that you were still pushing Shadell instead dood!

[x] Unvote The Bigger Fish
[x] Lynch ondine

Really seems like you're faking your way here, and you don't want anyone to expose the truth dood!
 
ondine said:
If I am town, @Shadell I would find it pretty scummy for you to openly out me, wouldn't you?
I'm not going out on a limb for you after that without you meeting me there. Give me a reason to answer and I will.
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IH has declared that information exists such that town would clearly know that at least one other faction exists. You claim to know what IH is working from that would allow town to see this. In principle, non-town would know that non-town exist, but they wouldn't know why town knows this. In claiming to understand IH's play, you've claimed that you're aware of information that town would know that would specifically serve to help identify town.

I know information that, I believe, would serve this function, though I don't actually know if this is what you identified, what IH identified or what Meso identified or even if they are the same things. In admitting this, I've soft-claimed town to some extent, just as you have in claiming to know the play. This is, yet another, reason why these kinds of gambits aren't great when no one knows anything.
 
Shadell said:
IH has declared that information exists such that town would clearly know that at least one other faction exists. You claim to know what IH is working from that would allow town to see this. In principle, non-town would know that non-town exist, but they wouldn't know why town knows this. In claiming to understand IH's play, you've claimed that you're aware of information that town would know that would specifically serve to help identify town.

I know information that, I believe, would serve this function, though I don't actually know if this is what you identified, what IH identified or what Meso identified or even if they are the same things. In admitting this, I've soft-claimed town to some extent, just as you have in claiming to know the play. This is, yet another, reason why these kinds of gambits aren't great when no one knows anything.
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Mind if I ask whether yours is from the Professor or the GM dood?
 
I'm having trouble figuring out how to ask my question dood. T.T

Tempted to just ask it really bluntly dood!
 
Shadell said:
Before I go any further on this, it occurs to me that we're talking about something with a very low degree of specificity to the extent that everyone who thinks they know might actually be talking about something else. If you're willing to positively claim town, would you mind mentioning whether the sentence everyone is confusing Nictis with specifically calls attention to any scum or 3P groups by name?
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Claiming roles does not seem like a good idea right now. We could be putting the ball in scum's court.
 
OneStopChopShop said:
Claiming roles does not seem like a good idea right now. We could be putting the ball in scum's court.
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I think the point was that a variety of people are claiming that there is something that all Town know, and so are claiming Town because they know it, but it's been so unspecific that anyone at all could say they got it dood!
So if they've already claimed to have the info, then it wouldn't hurt at all to give enough of a hint to confirm it is what people are claiming it to be dood!
But for some reason ondine immediately tries to stamp down on even confirming if the info Town should have is fluff or actual info dood!?
Both of the questions me and Shadell asked could be answered without giving away actual details as to what it is, which is why it's strange to get such a strong denial dood!

Shadell is not asking for a roleclaim, just a confirmation of what's already been hinted at dood!
 
Nictis said:
I think the point was that a variety of people are claiming that there is something that all Town know, and so are claiming Town because they know it, but it's been so unspecific that anyone at all could say they got it dood!
So if they've already claimed to have the info, then it wouldn't hurt at all to give enough of a hint to confirm it is what people are claiming it to be dood!
But for some reason ondine immediately tries to stamp down on even confirming if the info Town should have is fluff or actual info dood!?
Both of the questions me and Shadell asked could be answered without giving away actual details as to what it is, which is why it's strange to get such a strong denial dood!

Shadell is not asking for a roleclaim, just a confirmation of what's already been hinted at dood!
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Oh I see. Just remember, people could be lying.
 
Okay so I was fine with IH's read on Shadell using the idea of the PM as a bait, but now that the same method is being used to read multiple people I'm seeing it as kind of an angleshoot and kinda shitty to use to solve an entire game. I'd rather refrain from using PM info at this point since I feel like it's just gonna make the game boring.
 
-Rosen said:
Okay so I was fine with IH's read on Shadell using the idea of the PM as a bait, but now that the same method is being used to read multiple people I'm seeing it as kind of an angleshoot and kinda shitty to use to solve an entire game. I'd rather refrain from using PM info at this point since I feel like it's just gonna make the game boring.
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Are you actually serious?

It's ... The only info we have. What else exactly are we supposed to be using? There's no other solve for the game it's all hidden.

(I will catch up on the rest of the thread and respond. Just saw this and had to say something.)
 
ondine said:
Are you actually serious?

It's ... The only info we have. What else exactly are we supposed to be using? There's no other solve for the game it's all hidden.

(I will catch up on the rest of the thread and respond. Just saw this and had to say something.)
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And it's a shitty method that preys on people for literally not having the right role card. Take some other route.
 
Specifically, the game becomes less about what scum are doing that actually makes them scummy, and more about whether or not they know what Town role cards look like (in most cases they don't, which is why this conversation doesn't come up every game), and that takes away from actual gameplay since you no longer need to rely on it.
 
Look, it's not a like.. a test everyone is subject to. Most people haven't answered any questions at all. But what exactly do you suggest we discuss so that we can determine who is and isn't being scummy?
 
ondine said:
Look, it's not a like.. a test everyone is subject to. Most people haven't answered any questions at all. But what exactly do you suggest we discuss so that we can determine who is and isn't being scummy?
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Discuss interactions between people, discuss the things that people have tried to do to get things rolling. What you're doing isn't a test of whether someone is acting scummy, it's a test of "do you have a Town role card or not"
 
Haven't really found anything interesting or incriminating to get me to say my piece. For now I'm just on the sidelines.
 
Shadell said:
IH has declared that information exists such that town would clearly know that at least one other faction exists. You claim to know what IH is working from that would allow town to see this. In principle, non-town would know that non-town exist, but they wouldn't know why town knows this. In claiming to understand IH's play, you've claimed that you're aware of information that town would know that would specifically serve to help identify town.

I know information that, I believe, would serve this function, though I don't actually know if this is what you identified, what IH identified or what Meso identified or even if they are the same things. In admitting this, I've soft-claimed town to some extent, just as you have in claiming to know the play. This is, yet another, reason why these kinds of gambits aren't great when no one knows anything.
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Saying that you agree with what I said/think you know what I mean but then asking me to clear it up explicitly for you is not actually indicative of you being town. As multiple people have mentioned you could be lying and this could be a very easy lie that you're trying to leverage into more concrete information. So again, unless you want to actually meet me on a limb I will stay in my current precarious place for now.

I have found you suspicious from the very beginning of D1 for reasons other than IH's gambit. I am not ready to divulge that yet.

-Rosen said:
Discuss interactions between people, discuss the things that people have tried to do to get things rolling. What you're doing isn't a test of whether someone is acting scummy, it's a test of "do you have a Town role card or not"
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You mean the things like discuss role cards and ask for ice cream flavors and try to figure out the mechanics of the game based on what they know and what they can guess. Ok. I will continue to do that.

Why don't you show instead of tell. What are some of your reads?

Nictis said:
I'm having trouble figuring out how to ask my question dood. T.T

Tempted to just ask it really bluntly dood!
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Just ask it. I'm not feeling well today and I'd rather you just be blunt with me.
 
-Rosen said:
Discuss interactions between people, discuss the things that people have tried to do to get things rolling. What you're doing isn't a test of whether someone is acting scummy, it's a test of "do you have a Town role card or not"
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No, it is specifically a test of whether someone will make an error while pretending to be town, but jumping on an obviously inaccurate speculation that town has implicit assurance isn't true. That isn't quite the same as "what's the sixth word on your role card" or something like that.

IH pretended to a greater degree of ignorance about the set up than makes sense for a townie. Anybody who goes along with it marks themselves as "not a townie". Not because they lack any information about the set up, but because they are unclear on what town knows about the set up. I think that is pretty damned clever and well within the spirit of things. It doesn't rely on demanding people confirm some bit of information, it lays a trap by pretending to be more ignorant than you are and letting scum reveal themselves by trying to exploit it.

Of course, it isn't bullet proof. Someone might be a survivor instead of scum. They might be a town allied role that got very different information, they might be a VT who didn't think too hard about the implications of their rolecard. But it definitely puts a spotlight on some people as more suspicious than the rest, and suggests they should be pushed further.

Somebody is probably getting lynched today. I think we should do what we can to see it isn't a townie.
 
Bleh. I'm tired...

Fuck it. Feel free to poke me with questions of dubious quality. I don't have anything else to do while I'm awake, and I've found that trying to form the rest of my reads while sick is mildly difficult to do.
 
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