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LokiQuest: Re-Reshape and Retry (CK2)

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Darkcore41 said:
I don't like the prosthetic idea we are shape shifters and that won't shift with us. Also should ask for cybernetic eyes with all the sensor ranges while your at it. Third point is we shouldn't have PF look for the well it will draw attention and release the info around. Besides Loki thanks to Sigyn already knows where it is so the action is useless.
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I agree with this, its better to go for the eyes.

Sanas22 said:
We stay only in our Asgardian form 24/7 which form do you want to shapeshift into? It's a skill that we barely use.

Cybernetic Eye comes under Cybernetic Prosthetic... You want to add specifications to it... ask QM.

Thank you for pointing that out.
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Asgardian Loki and Jotun Loki dont really have same measures, or are you saying we should fight powerful opponents in our Asgardian/weaker form.

Edit: though if we make it nano based like with Ultron it could sahpeshift together with us.
 
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Star said:
I agree with this, its better to go for the eyes.



Asgardian Loki and Jotun Loki dont really have same measures, or are you saying we should fight powerful opponents in our Asgardian/weaker form.
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I get that. But in Jotun form, what metal would be able to withstand the coldness of our body? They would all jam, and break...
 
[x] I don't want or lose a limb
-[x] Tell Sigyn, to stay safe and don't investigate Amora.
-[x] Ask Osmond to make two prosthetic eyes
-[x] Go to Osmond see if he is interested in creating a brain booster with Loki if he comes to Jotunheim.
 
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[x] I don't want or lose a limb
-[x] Tell Sigyn, to stay safe and don't investigate Amora.
-[x] Ask Osmond to make two prosthetic eyes
-[x] Go to Osmond see if he is interested in creating a brain booster with Loki if he comes to Jotunheim.
 
Darkcore41 said:
Uru would be able to hold, enchanted metal or Loki can use ice constructs.
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If Osmond can mold Uru. I mean does he have a neutron star or something similar in heat level.

MRoy said:
[x] I don't want or lose a limb
-[x] Tell Sigyn, to stay safe and don't investigate Amora.
-[x] Ask Osmond to make two prosthetic eyes
-[x] Go to Osmond see if he is interested in creating a brain booster with Loki if he comes to Jotunheim.
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Star said:
[x] I don't want or lose a limb
-[x] Tell Sigyn, to stay safe and don't investigate Amora.
-[x] Ask Osmond to make two prosthetic eyes
-[x] Go to Osmond see if he is interested in creating a brain booster with Loki if he comes to Jotunheim.

In sense i believe we should had just used our PF action to transfer Osmond lab to Jotunheim, its PFs property, not Asgards. If Osmond agrees that is.
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Comic616 said:
[x] I don't want or lose a limb
-[x] Tell Sigyn, to stay safe and don't investigate Amora.
-[x] Ask Osmond to make two prosthetic eyes
-[x] Go to Osmond see if he is interested in creating a brain booster with Loki if he comes to Jotunheim.
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Thule said:
[x] I don't want or lose a limb
-[x] Tell Sigyn, to stay safe and don't investigate Amora.
-[x] Ask Osmond to make two prosthetic eyes
-[x] Go to Osmond see if he is interested in creating a brain booster with Loki if he comes to Jotunheim.
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I don't know if y'all have been to science classes, but have ya heard of the saying "all alkalis are bases, but all bases are not alkalis."
Prosthetics include eye and every other limb, whereas saying eye only will have you get an eye... It's a whole waste of action...

And for these three actions, you will have a 25 martial Loki go to Jotunhiem and get his ass kicked.
While leaving the exo-suit, which gives a person +5 in martial.
And leaving 5 robots, whose stats are of avg Asgardian Soldier, which would act as Loki's personal guard.

Why don't you have Loki jump of the Bifrost Bridge while you are at it?
 
Sanas22 said:
I don't know if y'all have been to science classes, but have ya heard of the saying "all alkalis are bases, but all bases are not alkalis."
Prosthetics include eye and every other limb, whereas saying eye only will have you get an eye... It's a whole waste of action...

And for these three actions, you will have a 25 martial Loki go to Jotunhiem and get his ass kicked.
While leaving the exo-suit, which gives a person +5 in martial.
And leaving 5 robots, whose stats are of avg Asgardian Soldier, which would act as Loki's personal guard.

Why don't you have Loki jump of the Bifrost Bridge while you are at it?
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I don't want Loki to lose an arm or a leg which I have seen people vote for, also frost giants have an average martial of 20 we have a martial of 27 right now according to our character sheet and we also have all our magic and h2h skill, QM said they have no hero units so there is no one that should be able to really pose a threat to him.
 
MRoy said:
I don't want Loki to lose an arm or a leg which I have seen people vote for, also frost giants have an average martial of 20 we have a martial of 27 right now according to our character sheet and we also have all our magic and h2h skill, QM said they have no hero units so there is no one that should be able to really pose a threat to him.
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Where is Loki losing arm or leg? We are just asking Osmond to prepare any and all prosthetics for Loki?
No sacrifices is being made, this turn or next. I don't know what you are talking about.

And Loki can't tank a squad of Frost Giants himself? Even if he has 7 more in martial.
 
MRoy said:
I don't want Loki to lose an arm or a leg which I have seen people vote for, also frost giants have an average martial of 20 we have a martial of 27 right now according to our character sheet and we also have all our magic and h2h skill, QM said they have no hero units so there is no one that should be able to really pose a threat to him.
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Not to mention how it would look to average Jotun when they see us coming surrounded by Asgardian bots.
 
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Sanas22 said:
Where is Loki losing arm or leg? We are just asking Osmond to prepare any and all prosthetics for Loki?
No sacrifices is being made, this turn or next. I don't know what you are talking about.

And Loki can't tank a squad of Frost Giants himself? Even if he has 7 more in martial.
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I assumed people were voting for prosthetics for what they wanted to sacrifice, having spare prosthetics around just cause we can would be pretty weird
 
Sanas22 said:
If Osmond can mold Uru. I mean does he have a neutron star or something similar in heat level.






I don't know if y'all have been to science classes, but have ya heard of the saying "all alkalis are bases, but all bases are not alkalis."
Prosthetics include eye and every other limb, whereas saying eye only will have you get an eye... It's a whole waste of action...

And for these three actions, you will have a 25 martial Loki go to Jotunhiem and get his ass kicked.
While leaving the exo-suit, which gives a person +5 in martial.
And leaving 5 robots, whose stats are of avg Asgardian Soldier, which would act as Loki's personal guard.

Why don't you have Loki jump of the Bifrost Bridge while you are at it?
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Sanas22 said:
If Osmond can mold Uru. I mean does he have a neutron star or something similar in heat level.






I don't know if y'all have been to science classes, but have ya heard of the saying "all alkalis are bases, but all bases are not alkalis."
Prosthetics include eye and every other limb, whereas saying eye only will have you get an eye... It's a whole waste of action...

And for these three actions, you will have a 25 martial Loki go to Jotunhiem and get his ass kicked.
While leaving the exo-suit, which gives a person +5 in martial.
And leaving 5 robots, whose stats are of avg Asgardian Soldier, which would act as Loki's personal guard.

Why don't you have Loki jump of the Bifrost Bridge while you are at it?
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The reason why eye is specified is that focus development of one thing is better then scattered development of every prosthetic. Also Loki won't get his ass kicked currently. The average soldier is 22 martial and if Asgardians skill is the same 3/5 in a weapon, even if hero units have 5/5 which Jotunheim has none still won't be able to defeat Loki. Loki is 25 +60(h2h)+ other traits while normal soldier is 25 + 25(max 5/5 in a weapon)-25 from nerve srrikes.
 
Star said:
Not to mention how it would look to Frost giants when they see us coming surrounded by Asgardian bots.
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Bots are fking Bots. They don't have Asgardian written on them.
And the same could be said about Loki coming alone. They would rip him apart for what his brother, Thor did to their King.

MRoy said:
I assumed people were voting for prosthetics for what they wanted to sacrifice, having spare prosthetics around just cause we can would be pretty weird
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No. Having Prosthetic is a back-up for what if Thor comes up and cut our arms off. It's called planning ahead.
Thor is no longer the brother of Loki. The familial ties between them don't exist. Thor could with his Dark Magic keep an eye on us. And any move that doesn't sit well with him... well he would come to us to have a chat.

Darkcore41 said:
The reason why eye is specified is that focus development of one thing is better then scattered development of every prosthetic. Also Loki won't get his ass kicked currently. The average soldier is 22 martial and if Asgardians skill is the same 3/5 in a weapon, even if hero units have 5/5 which Jotunheim has none still won't be able to defeat Loki. Loki is 25 +60(h2h)+ other traits while normal soldier is 25 + 25(max 5/5 in a weapon)-25 from nerve srrikes.
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Then add it as a sub-vote to Prosthetics and say what functions you want the eye to have.
 
Sanas22 said:
Bots are fking Bots. They don't have Asgardian written on them.
And the same could be said about Loki coming alone. They would rip him apart for what his brother, Thor did to their King.
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Expect they dont really have idea that Loki is Jotun with most of the people who had access to such info dead, its not Like Laufey had said it to everyone, or else the fact that we are Jotun would be out far earlier.
 
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Star said:
Expect they dont really have idea that Loki is Jotun with mst of the people who had access to such info dead, its not Like Laufey had said it to everyone or else the fact that we are Frost giant would be out far earlier.
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What does Loki being Jotun has to do with anything?
Loki's brother Thor killed Laufey and several guards, not everyone. They would be wary of him nevertheless.
What is your logic here?
 
[x] I don't want or lose a limb
-[x] Tell Sigyn, to stay safe and don't investigate Amora.
-[x] Ask Osmond to make two prosthetic eyes
-[x] Go to Osmond see if he is interested in creating a brain booster with Loki if he comes to Jotunheim.
 
Sanas22 said:
What does Loki being Jotun has to do with anything?
Loki's brother Thor killed Laufey and several guards, not everyone. They would be wary of him nevertheless.
What is your logic here?
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Fake identity, as you said it yourself being prince of Asgard and Thors brother does us more disfavours than it helps, just spin the story of us being abandoned by Laufey and raised by our mother alone, its far more believable than Odin adopting us given history between Jotenheim and Asgard . We can probably prove our legitimacy via magic ritual.
 
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Star said:
Fake identity, as you said it yourself being prince of Asgard and Thors brother does us more disfavours than it helps, just spin the story of us being abandoned by Laufey and raised by our mother alone, its far more believable than Odin adopting us given history between Jotenheim and Asgard . We can probably prove our legitimacy via magic ritual.
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.......................... I lost a few brain cells here.

You wish the Frost Giants to give the Throne to some unknown guy who claims to be a bastard of Laufey? And who was raised exactly where? Out in the wilderness? And no one has ever seen this guy? How strange? Does he even know Jotanar culture or anything about it?

And no it is not believable.... like at all.
 
[x] I don't want or lose a limb
-[x] Tell Sigyn, to stay safe and don't investigate Amora.
-[x] Ask Osmond to make two prosthetic eyes
-[x] Go to Osmond see if he is interested in creating a brain booster with Loki if he comes to Jotunheim.
 
Sanas22 said:
.......................... I lost a few brain cells here.

You wish the Frost Giants to give the Throne to some unknown guy who claims to be a bastard of Laufey? And who was raised exactly where? Out in the wilderness? And no one has ever seen this guy? How strange? Does he even know Jotanar culture or anything about it?

And no it is not believable.... like at all.
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Im sure that they will give it to Asgardian prince just after their King was j killed by his brother claiming to be Laufeys son and only persons able to confirm that are Odin and Asgardians.

Even pretender is far better than Asgardian puppet.
 
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Star said:
Im sure that they will give it to Asgardian prince just after they King was just killed by his brother claiming to be Laufeys son and only persons able to confirm that are Odin and Asgardians.
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... I can't understand a word after '...his brother'
Isn't that the whole point of us going there?
They fear further retaliation from Asgard, of course, they would agree. There would be some resistance for sure. But at least there won't be a burst of full-blown laughter from them if we follow your path.
 
MRoy said:
[x] I don't want or lose a limb
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[] I don't want or lose a limb
-[] Tell Sigyn, to stay safe and don't investigate Amora.
-[] Ask Osmond to make two prosthetic eyes
-[] Go to Osmond see if he is interested in creating a brain booster with Loki if he comes to Jotunheim.

Sorry if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the prosthetic eyes break too? Loki is a shapeshifter... Everything else looks solid though.

Could you add going there in frost giant form so Loki wont get attacked by the frost giants? Could you also ask Elym to come with so as to build better robots? The QM said they'd come if Osmond can experiment with whatever he wants, and Elym can build whatever they want.
 
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Also, @KnowledgeKing What is the DC for Osmond leaving with us to Jotunhiem? And will he like it or Amora allow it? Also, how much PF's infrastructure is developed there? Only banks/financial institute right? And What would be the DC for us to create a lab, that would be to Osmond liking, during this turn?
 
Mostlyblue said:
Can you add in going in jotun form? Would probably reassure them and make them less likely to attack.
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Plan belongs to @MRoy .

Sanas22 said:
... I can't understand a word after '...his brother'
Isn't that the whole point of us going there?
They fear further retaliation from Asgard, of course, they would agree. There would be some resistance for sure. But at least there won't be a burst of full-blown laughter from them if we follow your path.
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Then your entire point about bringing Asgards bots is baseless given that according to you they fear Asgard and killing us is what would cause retaliation. Not to mention if we have backing of Asgard than we will probably have appropriate escort since i doubt that its in Amoras interest for us to get killed.
 
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