Dammit Magoose! Why do you have to make us pick from so many good options!
Second Life Begin Again (A Naruto Reincarnation Quest)
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Magoose
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Because I'm a good QM.
That Oricimaru option is giving me extremely bad vibes; unless we can somehow play it off that our in-born knowledge and skills are much lesser than they are (not likely), I keep having the image of a starving animal being let into a butcher's shop run through my mind.
[X]To A Laboratory: "Orochimaru, we have our proof to help you." You saw a large man with white hair, reading a book, but he set it down. "Tell him about the hospital."
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- The Temple of the Winds
[x]To the Uchiha Compound: "Meet your new teammate my cute little Genin!"
I floored that his isn't winning by a landslide after all the talk, time and effort sunk in Itachi so far
Proof if ever needed that quest(er)s have no consistency.
Especially to lose to Orochimaru? another borderline suicidal move so soon after the last one? What's next?will we follow Madara when he tells us he has candy in his van???
I floored that his isn't winning by a landslide after all the talk, time and effort sunk in Itachi so far
Proof if ever needed that quest(er)s have no consistency.Especially to lose to Orochimaru? another borderline suicidal move so soon after the last one? What's next?will we follow Madara when he tells us he has candy in his van???
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[X]To His home: "Shiro I need to talk to you about something important."
AoMythology
AoM, Destroyer of Worlds
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[X]To the Uchiha Compound: "Meet your new teammate my cute little Genin!"
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- AR
[X]To A Laboratory: "Orochimaru, we have our proof to help you." You saw a large man with white hair, reading a book, but he set it down. "Tell him about the hospital."
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- Germany
[X]To A Laboratory: "Orochimaru, we have our proof to help you." You saw a large man with white hair, reading a book, but he set it down. "Tell him about the hospital."
Orochimaru needs a therapist and Shiro wants to help people.
Also, from a "good of the village" perspective, a chance however small of reforming Orochimaru and stopping his desertion is worth more than the life of a prodigy.
Orochimaru needs a therapist and Shiro wants to help people.
Also, from a "good of the village" perspective, a chance however small of reforming Orochimaru and stopping his desertion is worth more than the life of a prodigy.
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Honestly I'm more curious about wherever Shiro would end up studying medicine and biology with Orichimaru and learning from him in general. I'm thinking that combining Atlas's and Orochimaru's skill set and knowledge can only end up being good for us...plus the chance he actualy doesn't go of the deep end and remains somewhat loyal to Konoha.
Also the fact that The Snake Sanin apparently needs help from a 4 Year Old is just too funny for me not to pick it. Tho I'm thinking this has something more to do with the Root Ninja we caught then whatever AtlasShiro did..maybe.
Also the fact that The Snake Sanin apparently needs help from a 4 Year Old is just too funny for me not to pick it. Tho I'm thinking this has something more to do with the Root Ninja we caught then whatever AtlasShiro did..maybe.
They already knew who attacked Team 7. Orochimaru even shows up WHILE Kakashi is doing his thing to Sasuke. They 100% knew Orochimaru was in the village. There was a rather lack-luster reaction, but they did, in fact, know.
Either of those wouldn't be too unusual. The Kurama Clan are known for their strongest members having a split personality / demon in them.
Black Zetsu could either take the portal that is in the Land of Fire (that's how Naruto and crew get up there), or he could probably jsut fly up there. Momma could fly, I would think he could do the same.
The Otsutsuki clan were BIG. A few hundred atleast. They were definitely above the limit for long-term viability. Here's a pic of AFTER the war against the Main Family, lots of survivors even if this was literally everyone. They're numbers DID dwindle over time, but they never said why. I blame Zetsu.
There's no reason to believe they WEREN'T reincarnating. Hell, there's no reason to believe that EVERYONE isn't reincarnating. The Asura/Indra cycle actually isn't part of his plan, Zetsu made it sound like they were more pains in his ass than vital pawns, and while they ended up being vital to the plan the plan, on it's own, doesn't require them. Hell, the moment Madara awoken the Rinegan, Zetsu could have finished the plan with Obito alone. Things didn't work out that way, but it was a way things could have gone.
Thing is, without Kaguya or Hagoromo and Hamura coming back, there is nothing that Black Zetsu or ANYONE else could have done against the Uncles coming to visit. There is no mounting any defense of anything, it would have been game over. So if he knew about them he would have worked EVEN HARDER bringing back Momma.
Where is it noted that ONLY her sons do that? Not in the episode where Naruto meets Hagoromo, they also don't say anything about selecting their reincarnations. Those are the ones we SEE, but that doesn't mean those are the ones there ARE.
They can reincarnate into off-shoot clans. Naruto reincarnated into the Uzumaki, which is an off-shoot of the Senju.
The MS is very easy to get. I imagine MOST Uchicha, who are alive during War Time, get it. People are dying left and right after all, everyone is losing friends and brothers.
In Worm there are a lot of capes that teleport, there are ALSO a lot of capes who deal with Dimensions. They are equally common. Don't see why they wouldn't be here.
Ninja can't have 100% information security. They are good, but they aren't perfect, and that's before considering the only way to feasibly get 100% is to NEVER use it. Plus, as we see OFTEN throughout the series, Ninja kinda like to monologue about their techniques. You can say a lot about a technique, like it's name (everyone always says the name) and the basics what of what it does ("This brings people back to life as immortal zombies! You'll never win!") without giving people any information needed to recreate it.
What proof is there that obito couldn't do anything on his own, and could only stick around for a very short period? For all we know, he could have just stayed, indefinitely. All he says is that his gift of the sharingan was temporary.
There's no record that they were there, there's no record that they weren't there.
They didn't have any countermeasures, but they didn't have any countermeasures against MOST of the absurd things that Konoha regularly pulls out of it's ass. Konoha, from all the canon evidence, should have just stomped ALL the other villages anytime War came up, for dozens of reasons. But they somehow don't. Kishimoto is not that good at world building.
Suna didn't meet with Orochimaru. Their Kage lead them to war, and they followed. Said Kage probably made assurances that they wouldn't be facing the Immortal Hokage Zombies (because he was gonna be using them himself).
Not only are are the Hokage a lot weaker as Immortal Zombies (still very strong, but not their absurd power levels of life), but supposedly the other villages weren't such jokes back in the day. I mean, they did manage to kill Hashirama and Tobirama in their prime somehow. Those would be good enough reasons to explain why the Zomb-kage didn't just stomp the wars.
They know them, they just think they're legend. And no, the Sage probably didn't, but all the other holders of the RInnegan probably did. Again, Madara wasn't the only one, just hte most recent.
The one that doesn't kill you probably wasn't forbidden, since it covered up the part that makes it forbidden. And, well, summoning Death Itself is kinda eye-catching. If the enemy had ANY survivors from a battle where it was used, word would spread quick that they summoned the fucking Shinigami.
"Dude, look at this footprint on my chest. That's Hashirama's shoe. No one else wears shoes like that!"
Proof would be easy to come by, unless Commanding Officers just refuse to believe there their subordinates.
Itachi was also a Pacifist. Just look at what he did to pretty much everyone he was related to. In Naruto, Pacifism doesn't mean "I don't kill people", it means "I kill people only when I need to", which as a Ninja, comes up fairly often.
A LOT of shit isn't noted anywhere in canon. Like, pretty much ANY of the details about the previous wars. Or what the Uzumaki were up to, it was some serious shit, but beyond the stuff surrounding the personification of Death, we know nothing.
[X]To the Uchiha Compound: "Meet your new teammate my cute little Genin!"
It hurts me to choose, but since I have to I CAN'T leave probably-Itachi behind.
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[X]To the Uchiha Compound: "Meet your new teammate my cute little Genin!"
I hate Danzo and I hate ROOT!! Minato should have gotten his ass out of the counsil already!
I hate Danzo and I hate ROOT!! Minato should have gotten his ass out of the counsil already!
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Shapeless Phobos
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Wait...did we, somewhat unintentionally or at least unknowingly, do enough good during the crisis that we're officially a ninja?!
(Though this could just be him talking about the other person he wants us to meet. If so then it really makes me think it's Shisui and not Itachi.)
[X]To A Laboratory: "Orochimaru, we have our proof to help you." You saw a large man with white hair, reading a book, but he set it down. "Tell him about the hospital."
Kakashi and I'm assuming Jiraiya are there so hopefully nothing...untoward...will occur. I still want robot arms, fully functional pair be damned! I'll settle for biologically stretchy limbs in the short term though.
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[x]To the Uchiha Compound: "Meet your new teammate my cute little Genin!"
Magoose
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Not entirely.
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True, true, though isn't the Kurama clan filler (not that I'm against some of the filler or anything)? Regardless, yeah, that'll also add credence to it simply being a potential bloodline-esque sort of thing that's manifesting that Shiro simply thinks is him being reincarnated or something.
1. Those members were all related to each other still rather closely considering their Otsutsuki heritage and their relative age. The limit for long-term viability doesn't work out if they're already related to one another.Black Zetsu could either take the portal that is in the Land of Fire (that's how Naruto and crew get up there), or he could probably jsut fly up there. Momma could fly, I would think he could do the same.
The Otsutsuki clan were BIG. A few hundred atleast. They were definitely above the limit for long-term viability. Here's a pic of AFTER the war against the Main Family, lots of survivors even if this was literally everyone. They're numbers DID dwindle over time, but they never said why. I blame Zetsu.
There's no reason to believe they WEREN'T reincarnating. Hell, there's no reason to believe that EVERYONE isn't reincarnating. The Asura/Indra cycle actually isn't part of his plan, Zetsu made it sound like they were more pains in his ass than vital pawns, and while they ended up being vital to the plan the plan, on it's own, doesn't require them. Hell, the moment Madara awoken the Rinegan, Zetsu could have finished the plan with Obito alone. Things didn't work out that way, but it was a way things could have gone.
Thing is, without Kaguya or Hagoromo and Hamura coming back, there is nothing that Black Zetsu or ANYONE else could have done against the Uncles coming to visit. There is no mounting any defense of anything, it would have been game over. So if he knew about them he would have worked EVEN HARDER bringing back Momma.
2. It's never shown that Black Zetsu could fly; that's like saying Kurama could fly around by flapping his ears but he never did it on screen. Taking these assumptions and calling them fact simply isn't viable, especially when it concern esoteric and powerful stuff like this.
3. Hagoromo specifically states in canon that Asura/Indra are separate entities that pick out their next incarnations through their traits. I completely disagree that literally everyone else is reincarnating like Asura and Indra are, considering they don't have the power or the Otsutsuki heritage to stick around after death to do shenanigans in the way only Kaguya's very close descendents are capable of.
4. What about Hamura's secret weapon in the Tenseigan? A wielder of the Tenseigan was able to go toe-to-toe with post-4th War Naruto, so it seems to me that they could definitely defend against them to an extent. Black Zetsu also had to be careful not to upset things so much as to draw attention to said other Otsutsuki clan members, which was one of the reasons why he was so covert.
1. I read the manga instead of watching most of the fourth war episodes, so I'm assuming my information is more accurate considering it's the direct source that the anime is taking it's info from. Hagoromo states that Asura and Indra choose their next incarnations based off of a person's traits.
2. I'm aware, since those off-shoot clans are still direct descendents of Asura or Indra.
1. Not most, just a lot. Most died before even reaching a full 3 tomoes, presumably. Child soldiers and all that. Even most who achieved the Mangekyou didn't have much time to experiment before dying anyways, as they were thrown up against even stronger enemies due to their added power. The clan era was rough.
2. There's plenty of capes that deal with dimensions, like you said. There aren't many capes who teleport by messing with dimensions. Teleporters and dimensional teleporters are not anywhere near equally common; Earth Bet's basically only source of dimensional travel is through the device that connects them to Earth Aleph, and the only reliable asset Cauldron has that can aid them with dimensional travel past tinkertech shenanigans is the Doormaker.
Wow. What does that have to do with them telling people about how the afterlife is real, then? Especially if people don't get any true specifics or proof on the techniques in question?
It was specifically noted that Obito was only able to do that while he was in the plane between Life and the Pure World. There's a time limit to when souls move on; Kakashi is told this when he's dead and Nagato tells Naruto this before he kills himself reviving Konoha's inhabitants.
1. Are you saying that there should be a record for everything that hasn't happened in order to prove it hasn't happened? That's absolutely absurd.
2. Okay? That same world building still says that no other village has countermeasures of people revived with the Impure World Reincarnation technique. That's canon. Wouldn't that imply that Konoha wasn't fielding immortal super zombies in their wars?
3. Suna's Kage and Orochimaru made a backroom deal, where Orochimaru killed and took over his body. I'm assuming that Suna's Kage wouldn't meet with a known traitor if he wasn't already planning on possibly attacking Konoha.
4. Okay? Once they "kill" said immortal zombie, it revives and kills them when they think they've won. This zombie argument is absolutely stupid, there's no hint and whiff of this being a thing in canon, you're just making assumptions based off of Tobirama's technique when you don't even know if it was even usable in combat yet until Orochimaru got his hands on it and improved upon it to get it up to the standard it was in the Invasion arc (which is canon)
Where in canon does it say that people are aware of the Rinnegan's abilities, even if only through legend? If I recall correctly, Jiraiya has barely a clue on what the Rinnegan could do when he found Nagato initially as a child, only that it was very powerful. And yes, Madara was the only one to get the Rinnegan after the Sage. It's specifically noted by Black Zetsu that Madara is the very first of Asura and Indra's incarnations that had managed to meld together both of the incarnation's DNA in order to manifest the Rinnegan. That was a canonical Zetsu-plot as he manipulated Madara into doing this, so yes Asura and Indra's incarnations were part of his plans for obtaining the Rinnegan in order to summon back his mother's body.
"Oh, that was just an illusion or a Genjutsu." The Uzumakis still revered the Shinigami as a tempermental entity, so they weren't going to summon it willy-nilly like that.
... I don't get this reference, or how it could possibly lend credence to your unsubstantiated claims.
Refer to my "why the whole Konoha using zombies thing is a stupid argument" thing.
1. The Second and Third were still really respectful of their dead forces in general, and wouldn't commit necromancy in order to temporarily revive them from their afterlife of peace and paradise, if the technique was even viably usable until Orochimaru fixed it up in the first place.
2. Absurd claims that immortal zombies were used on the front lines of Konoha's wars is still not at all viable to think as "fact", despite that blank period; same thing with Reincarnation. In both cases there are canonical facts contradicting them being a thing, whereas your arguments for them stem from them theories without canonical backing.
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[X]To A Laboratory: "Orochimaru, we have our proof to help you." You saw a large man with white hair, reading a book, but he set it down. "Tell him about the hospital."
"Good" Orochimaru is fun Orochimaru, as I have experienced Legacy Undone's Orochimaru (Naruto peggy sue into a AU where among other things Jiraiya is dead before Naruto is born.)
"Good" Orochimaru is fun Orochimaru, as I have experienced Legacy Undone's Orochimaru (Naruto peggy sue into a AU where among other things Jiraiya is dead before Naruto is born.)
Noooo, I wanted Gai to be Itachi's teacher. Itachi with the gates would be a beast.
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[X]To A Laboratory: "Orochimaru, we have our proof to help you." You saw a large man with white hair, reading a book, but he set it down. "Tell him about the hospital."
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- USA
[X]To the Uchiha Compound: "Meet your new teammate my cute little Genin!"
More Itachi is better imo. And Shiro will need his friends in the years to come, now that half his family is dead. Also, Orochimaru is creepy, and I have mixed feelings about meeting him.
More Itachi is better imo. And Shiro will need his friends in the years to come, now that half his family is dead. Also, Orochimaru is creepy, and I have mixed feelings about meeting him.
[X]To A Laboratory: "Orochimaru, we have our proof to help you." You saw a large man with white hair, reading a book, but he set it down. "Tell him about the hospital."
Possible danger but has a huge pay off if we manged to succeed. This normally goes against my play style but let's get dangerous.
Possible danger but has a huge pay off if we manged to succeed. This normally goes against my play style but let's get dangerous.
You assume he's going to give us a choice and not just sucker punch us into submission?Especially to lose to Orochimaru? another borderline suicidal move so soon after the last one? What's next?will we follow Madara when he tells us he has candy in his van???
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Good Orochimaru is an illusion.
[edit] Just like the rest of Naruto shit put end. And Boruto. All that shit is part of Infinite Tsukuyomi... True story
if he has spent any time gathering info on protag he'll probably deduce it'll take less effort to show up with a pack of candy.
And Pocky for Itachi.
He could probably kidnap the two greatest young genius of this generation with the equivalent of a couple of dollars...
And now i want to read a SI!Madara...
Or, better yet: a time-looped Madara from the end of canon to the start of it. Going around fixing all the (glaring) issues with "his" canon "masterplan".
Just so he can re-summon Kaguya and sucker punch her.
Or bed her.
Either/or.
Or both.
i'm not picky...
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