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LokiQuest: Re-Reshape and Retry (CK2)

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I really hope this averts a genocide if nothing else.
 
Sena Kumo said:
Me too. But to be honest, this is more us making sure that no one else takes them, and we had good relations with the Dwarfes, so I like to think that they would prefer us having them than the others. Probably.
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Darkcore41 said:
Just realized that our h2h bonus was turned from 30 to 5. The difference in martial was never a mechanic until now. If I am wrong someone correct me.

Edit: Don't waste the reroll, we would need a 42 to tie and above to pass.
Another thing I realized was the QM said that if we copied people's knowledge then op characters would notice us and we wouldn't gain stat points to equal the knowledge. Ultron has gained the stat points somehow on top of the knowledge and it doesn't seem like Thanos is suffering any blow back.
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So taking the dwarf secrets would make Loki more OP enemies on the ultron scale? Yikes

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Red Bovine said:
There are literally billions of worlds in a single galaxy. It makes sense that other worlds aren't stressing every single world going up. Besides that Titan doesn't really seem to have done much to piss of other people besides Asgardians. It would seem like a hamfisted attempt and basically be saying that no matter what anyone does you can never rise up because other people would just squash you, just because.

Which would be seen as extremely unfair if it was the players trying to raise up their world.
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Actually that would be fair and make sense. It's even happening right now where we have to deal with Asgards old enemies. So it wouldn't be a ham fisted attempt. A country is building nukes what do the other superpowers do they slap sanctions and empower rebellions. That remind me what happened to the old rulership? Are they dead because they have done zero to hinder Thanos.

Edit: @Mostlyblue Taking dwarves secrets wouldn't make Loki op because he has to study them and build the stats first. Ultron just took the knowledge last turn built the stats up and studied the magic all on the same half a turn.
 
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Darkcore41 said:
Actually that would be fair and make sense. It's even happening right now where we have to deal with Asgards old enemies. So it wouldn't be a ham fisted attempt. A country is building nukes what do the other superpowers do they slap sanctions and empower rebellions. That remind me what happened to the old rulership? Are they dead because they have done zero to hinder Thanos.
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The thing is that there are situations where a nation would be willing to let another one gain power for political reasons. I mean look at North Korea. By your logic it would also make sense for other potential kingdoms to consider using Titan for their own advantages.
 
... Imhalf tempted to say screw this and use the tesseract to open a space time bridge from titan to the nearest black hole...
Damn the consequences. Since this has officially gotten to the point of bullshit! (We rolled absolutely terribly here and I am getting rather sick and tired of being on the back foot, not helping is that the dwarfs are dead and nidvalir is wrecked).
 
So while I would like to save the dwarfs as well with the reroll I want you guys to consider the following
To have a chance of success we need to win the flat roll by like 50 which is going to hard to do
I would be fine voting to use our reroll here but what are the actual odds we succeed
 
Darkcore41 said:
Just realized that our h2h bonus was turned from 30 to 5. The difference in martial was never a mechanic until now. If I am wrong someone correct me.

Edit: Don't waste the reroll, we would need a 42 to tie and above to pass.
Another thing I realized was the QM said that if we copied people's knowledge then op characters would notice us and we wouldn't gain stat points to equal the knowledge. Ultron has gained the stat points somehow on top of the knowledge and it doesn't seem like Thanos is suffering any blow back.
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I updated it around a week ago and posted such in the thread.

Morpheus didn't copy it directly. He took his knowledge and has been studying it for decades. He didn't gain any stat points he didn't earn through study.

MysteryCPU said:
@KnowledgeKing
The handwave I was speaking of was the stealing money from Phoenix to fund a mercnary group that was done in perfect secret such that Loki's own spies did not have an inkling to the huge planetary invasion.

Also, you are acting like Thanos should have been known to still be insane, but there was no reason to predict that because the event that drove him insane- the destruction of his planet was stopped. It would be like we prevented Joker from entering a life of crime or we socialized Orichimaru enough to ingrain ethical research. At that point in time, the being himself shoild have been changed. After all, in the movie Thanos was called mad because of his methodology of goal, not because he was unable to grasp reality. He understood people getting angry, pain, loss, and temptation- he destroyed the infinity stones because he knew he woild be tempted to undo his own works.

This Thanos cannot understand why Loki woild be salty that he attempted to assasinate Odin. And what, exactly, is this revelation that he has to save the universe? Accumulation of wealth through conquest and genocide?

Also, we are limited by your options you give us: the game is no more "free" than other quests. The philosophy of core trait is different. The balancing is brutal, the rules change to make the game harder, and the player relations are a bit different. But, the game is no more free than any other game.
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He didn't steal from Phoenix. He stole from the customers. And Loki's spies did notice the stealing. Loki's spies didn't notice the mercenary group because Thanos fed them info that stopped them from doing so.

But Thanos wasn't driven insane by his planet's destruction. It's made pretty clear since his suggested plan BEFORE the destruction was insane.

Thanos can understand but assassinating Odin was only in retaliation to Thor and the sanctions. He wants to save everyone like he did Titan.

Darkcore41 said:
What is Thanos's learning? He was able to create Ultron in one turn while Osmond with help barely gets anything out of the tablet and space stone in the same amount of time.
Why haven't any of the other empires intervened yet? Empires don't just let competition rise up, so at least the Kree or someone else would sabotage them.
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It wasn't just one turn but also he has a higher learning than Osmond. About 1.5x.

What other empires? He's in a different galaxy and Kree is in a war. If they attacked other empires while fighting the Skrull, they'd lose. Never fight a war on two fronts.

Sanas22 said:
@KnowledgeKing Where are the Asgardian Soldiers and the Warrior Three at Nidavellir?
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What do yo mean, location?

Sena Kumo said:
Please, tell me what was that option doing there? Wait, let me ask someone else.
@KnowledgeKing, did we in general trully needed the Dwarfes to build the Magical Forge?
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No. They just make it easier.


Darkcore41 said:
@KnowledgeKing If we trick another government or subvert the government will Thanos auto know or will he investigate?
Can we obscure our involvement in it?

Edit: Ultron is basically Odin now so no way we win even if Odin wakes up and those artifacts are now more dangerous. We need to strike back using catspaws that Thanos cannot Trace to us.
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Thanos will have to investigate. The point of it being Intrigue is to obscure your involvement. Morpheus is not Odin yet. He lacks Odinforce and he's not as good as him in any of the magics and certain things he can't do because he's a machine.



Darkcore41 said:
Taking dwarves secrets wouldn't make Loki op because he has to study them and build the stats first. Ultron just took the knowledge last turn built the stats up and studied the magic all on the same half a turn.
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Incorrect. He took them two turns ago in the invasion and still hasn't mastered them in any meaningful way. Odin has waaaay more knowledge than that.
 
b-wolf95 said:
Knowing this Quest, there're more likely to team up on us even though their goals completely oppose each other because the QM says so, shut up.
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We do have the trick option on our list of actions. I'm thinking next turn we have Amora and others trick the Kree in to attacking Titan. All she has to do is use mind magic to give the leaders dreams of Ultron and Thanos breaking their supremacy. Have Osmond fix one of the robots and have it get caught before self destructing and give their intelligence agencies the data on Thanos without them knowing it is Asgard. This war would solve multiple purposes, it would stop them from killing off the shapeshifters, slowing down Thanos on war turns and allowing Loki to save these empires by taking the broker peace option.
 
Darkcore41 said:
We do have the trick option on our list of actions. I'm thinking next turn we have Amora and others trick the Kree in to attacking Titan. All she has to do is use mind magic to give the leaders dreams of Ultron and Thanos breaking their supremacy. Have Osmond fix one of the robots and have it get caught before self destructing and give their intelligence agencies the data on Thanos without them knowing it is Asgard. This war would solve multiple purposes, it would stop them from killing off the shapeshifters, slowing down Thanos on war turns and allowing Loki to save these empires by taking the broker peace option.
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I mean, my comment was just a joke, but that's a way better plan than the Ego one.
 
Sanas22 said:
The 3/4th of the Asgardian force and the warrior 3 who are at Nidavellir. What are they doing? Watching the fight between Thor/Loki and Morpheus? Watching the Dwarves being gunned down?
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Fighting robots probably. And now it's done and they're awaiting orders.

NOTE: I'm doing this so they don't die trying to fight Morpheus.
 
Darkcore41 said:
Actually that would be fair and make sense. It's even happening right now where we have to deal with Asgards old enemies. So it wouldn't be a ham fisted attempt. A country is building nukes what do the other superpowers do they slap sanctions and empower rebellions. That remind me what happened to the old rulership? Are they dead because they have done zero to hinder Thanos.

Edit: @Mostlyblue Taking dwarves secrets wouldn't make Loki op because he has to study them and build the stats first. Ultron just took the knowledge last turn built the stats up and studied the magic all on the same half a turn.
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We're gaining dwarven knowledge, that's OP, and as a result OP enemies will notice us. Just protect the dwarfs, and buy what you need from them. Asgard shouldn't steal a vassal realms knowledge.
 
@KnowledgeKing how did Ultron steal Odin's knowledge aren't they in book? He somehow read all the books before Loki got back?

Please tell me Loki has all his research on a closed drive or books? The reason I asked this is it was a very early concern and the reason why we didn't automate the Bifrost and you stated that this thread is Loki's thoughts.
 
I...the dwarves are dead? All of them?
Three hundred Dwarves armed to the teeth with hero items and one robot "kills the rest" on his way out?
We definitely need to re roll this.
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KnowledgeKing said:
Mind Stone.
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Does mind Stone does that?
IIRC only Soul stone has the power to transfer knowledge to its user.

@KnowledgeKing So... I scrounged the internet, mostly wikias and forums. Nowhere I found that Mind Stone can do transferal of knowledge... or even take someone else knowledge.
The functions, that I was able to find are giving the user telekinesis, telepathy, and domination over other minds and hearts (you can command someone else to do your bidding).
The knowledge transfer is a function of the soul stone, not mind stone.

EDIT: The Mind Stone can transfer someone's mind (in total) into someone else body... if the cartoon Avengers are to be taken into the canon.
 
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