If the role of the player is to simply surrender or just give in whenever facing a QM character, there really would be no point to there being a quest as conflict will come to us no matter what- the first invasion came about from an attemot to build a financial branch and an agreement to meet someone.
Okay, but that means it was entirely reasonable to assume we could reason with him because he no longer had his primary form of insanity. Sure, he's still not exactly the most rational around, but if got past his "perfectly balanced" phase, who's to say what else could change?
Insanity and Obsession that likes that he's displayed doesn't go away. It just latches on to something else. Not sure why anyone would think the guy that came to the three conclusions Thanos did, could be reasonable. Remember he:
1. Jumped right to eliminating half of everyone randomly. Which is crazy and incompetent.
2. Because he never got to do it to save Titan, decided to make it his life mission and forcefully do it to other planets.
3. When the universe wasn't grateful towards his efforts and he saw he was killed for it, wanted to wipe out the universe and make a new one.
This is what we know about MCU Thanos. Not sure what else anyone could get from that guy besides mentally unhinged.
There really is little point to trying to surrender to Thanos to "long game" him at this point. The quest mechanics don't reward success nearly as much as they punish mild failures, the opposition (Thanos) will develop at a higher rate no matter what because the Moves that Loki can make are limited by what options are made available by the QM while the QM makes the opposition whatever he imagines, and he will handwave any rolls as he sees fit (note the first invasion).
The fact that the QM sees this as an easy/medium setting says much about his QM style and really should tell all players that they will lose, eventually. The only question is how much salt and how much pain the characters will go through while we the players are told that we are all wrong and have all of our suggestions ignored before the game ends.
So, go all in the attack. At least this way, there will be dice rolls that could (theoretically) lead to victory.
I'm confused. What rolls got handwaved in the first invasion?
And what failures have been punished exactly? What consequences have been felt? What successes have been ignored?
And making the opposition what I imagined was a request from you guys. Can't complain about that now.
Also, it's funny you say the 'you will lose' part, because in other quests/cyoas the exact opposite usually happens. I allow freedom and creativity that fits the setting and do not shackle you to anything. That includes bad decisions. So all you need to do is not make those bad decisions. When you make several in a row and suffer no real (AKA minor) consequences, and still complain...well we get this.
If the role of the player is to simply surrender or just give in whenever facing a QM character, there really would be no point to there being a quest as conflict will come to us no matter what- the first invasion came about from an attemot to build a financial branch and an agreement to meet someone.
Correction: An attempt to build a financial branch...on a known villain's dying homeworld. And an agreement to meet said known villain. And said villain is known as the Mad Titan. Literally.
That's like agreeing to work for Orochimaru in a Naruto quest or meeting the Joker in a DC quest.
Can't we just like, distract Thanos with something (Tyr and someone else maybe), use the personal Teleporters with Amora and Lorelei on watch for anything, directly teleport to where the artifacts are, grab them and possibly kill anyone there and just plain bail out? I could suggest something else but, at this point? Nah. Won't work.
[X] Denial
-[X] Evacuate the Dwarves back to Asgard
--[X] Have the military check for any add-ons.
-- [X] Increase guard on all exits and entrances to the palace and the protection of the king and queen. (No one goes in or out)
- [X] Have Osmond and Elym check the palace computer system for any intrusion s or holes and fix them.
- [X] Have Osmond and Elym block any electronic recording device in the planning room.
-[X] Send the Chitauri to attack Titan
-[X] Relay the locations of Thanos and the artifacts to spies.
-[X] keep to previous plan with changes below.
--[X] Chitari are to attack in order to draw Thanos away from the artifacts.
--[X] Attack production facilities as primary.
--[X] Spies are to use Chitari attacks as a distaction
--[X] Spies prioritize the artifacts and leave as soon as they have it.
--[X] Sif takes command of the army on Titan remotely.
--[X] If they start to lose start kamikaze them.
---[X] whatever I closest and can do the most damage to military. (Soldiers, bases, production facilities)
--[X] Amora and Lorelei keep scrying Thanos and relay his commands to Sif.
--[X] Sif uses these commands to adapt the attack with priority if drawing out Thanos and his army away from the artifacts.
-[X] Join Thor in the fight (Loki is down to 23 Martial)
--[x] Play the fight smart, Thor is enraged after knowing what Morpheus did to his parents. Be on the lookout for any trick the bot is going to play.
--[X] Cast a quick speed enchant on Loki
[X] Plan: Hit me, baby, one more time.
-[x] Evacuate the remaining Dwarves (with Tyr) back to Asgard.
--[x] No merc body is to go back with them.
--[x] Give the command to fortify Asgard and be ready for war.
-[x] Morpheus's body was re-engineered and he apparently has body jumping capabilities.
--[x] Have Osmond, Elym and Ylva locate if Morpheus is in Asgard's system and purge it/him.
-[x] The Chitauri at Muspelheim are to be called back to Asgard and act as it's defender.
-[x] The 4/5th of the Chitauris are to attack Titan (with Sif in command, relay her the basic objectives which are mentioned below).
--[x] Send a fraction of Asgardian spies to retrieve the artifacts.
---[x] Have Amora and Lorelei relay to them the location of the items so they can retrieve them during the attack.
--[x] The Chitauri's objectives are to attack Titan's production facilities and Military Outposts (turrets, barracks, orbital weapons etc)
---[x] Keep the mothership as far as you can from Titan.
---[x] Kamikaze the shit out of Titan Palace, Production Facilities and Military Outpost if Chitauri are loosing.
-[X] Join Thor in the fight (Loki is down to 23 Martial)
--[x] Cast enchantments of Speed on Loki.
--[x] Play the fight smart, Thor is enraged after knowing what Morpheus did to his parents. Be on the lookout for any trick the bot is going to play.
-[x] After the fight, use the Dyson Sphere and the Neutron Star with Etri to reduce everything that Morpheus came with to ashes. (I don't want this mothertrucker to have any backups left.)
[X] Another way
-[X] No
-[X] Cancel the plans for the army near Muspelheim to attack all ships near it and to move join Loki in the current battle
-[x] Morpheus's body was re-engineered and he apparently has body jumping capabilities.
--[x] Have Osmond, Elym and Ylva locate if Morpheus is in Asgard's system and purge it/him.
-[X] Join Thor in the fight (Loki is down to 23 Martial)
--[x] Cast enchantments of Speed on Loki.
--[x] Play the fight smart, Thor is enraged after knowing what Morpheus did to his parents. Be on the lookout for any trick the bot is going to play.
-[X] Call 1/5 of the Chitarui here
-[x] After the fight, use the Dyson Sphere and the Neutron Star with Etri to reduce everything that Morpheus came with to ashes. (I don't want this mothertrucker to have any backups left.)
Winning plan:
-[z] No
-[z] Cancel the plans for the army near Muspelheim to attack all ships near it and to move join Loki in the current battle
-[z] Morpheus's body was re-engineered and he apparently has body jumping capabilities.
--[z] Have Osmond, Elym and Ylva locate if Morpheus is in Asgard's system and purge it/him.
-[z] Join Thor in the fight (Loki is down to 23 Martial)
--[z] Cast enchantments of Speed on Loki.
--[z] Play the fight smart, Thor is enraged after knowing what Morpheus did to his parents. Be on the lookout for any trick the bot is going to play.
-[z] Call 1/5 of the Chitarui here
-[z] After the fight, use the Dyson Sphere and the Neutron Star with Etri to reduce everything that Morpheus came with to ashes. (I don't want this mothertrucker to have any backups left.)
Insanity and Obsession that likes that he's displayed doesn't go away. It just latches on to something else. Not sure why anyone would think the guy that came to the three conclusions Thanos did, could be reasonable. Remember he:
1. Jumped right to eliminating half of everyone randomly. Which is crazy and incompetent.
2. Because he never got to do it to save Titan, decided to make it his life mission and forcefully do it to other planets.
3. When the universe wasn't grateful towards his efforts and he saw he was killed for it, wanted to wipe out the universe and make a new one.
This is what we know about MCU Thanos. Not sure what else anyone could get from that guy besides mentally unhinged.
But this isn't MCU Thanos. He stoped being MCU Thanos after he dropped his "perfectly balanced" mentality, aka a core aspect of his character. We had no idea how he was going to act because you took away our basic understanding of the character.
Also, you have yet to say how Thanos is insane currently. Just how he was insane in the past and in Canon. So, could you explain what his current obsession is?
Can't we just like, distract Thanos with something (Tyr and someone else maybe), use the personal Teleporters with Amora and Lorelei on watch for anything, directly teleport to where the artifacts are, grab them and possibly kill anyone there and just plain bail out? I could suggest something else but, at this point? Nah. Won't work.
Distract Thanos with the usurp government option to buy time for Odin to wake. We shouldn't give up, it's too late for that after the dwarves slaughter.
If the role of the player is to simply surrender or just give in whenever facing a QM character, there really would be no point to there being a quest as conflict will come to us no matter what- the first invasion came about from an attemot to build a financial branch and an agreement to meet someone.
I may disagree with the QM on some things but they do have a point in that we were the ones to contact a character who in canon was no only extremely dangerous but also pretty insane. People say things like 'surrender' or 'giving up' when in reality it's just that players have a hard time accepting that fighting isn't always the answer and may be the worst thing they can do. Seriously, if we have hundreds of situations than it kind of makes sense that in some of them fighting is just a bad idea.
Players inability to back off from a fight can seriously bite them in the ass. One good example is in a One Piece quest where a number of players were pointing that a situation where fighting was an option actually fighting seemed like a horrible idea and that there 'crew' wasn't ready for a fight like that. But then some people convinced a good number of the other half to ignore the logical reasoning that fighting was obviously a bad idea and went 'full shounen'/Leeroy Jenkins. It pretty much ended up with a number of loved characters/allies dying and a number of people regretting their choices.
Point is that there is a different between 'always giving up' and 'never backing down from a fight, ever'. Both are bad in their own ways and I really think people need to realize that.
I may disagree with the QM on some things but they do have a point in that we were the ones to contact a character who in canon was no only extremely dangerous but also pretty insane. People say things like 'surrender' or 'giving up' when in reality it's just that players have a hard time accepting that fighting isn't always the answer and may be the worst thing they can do. Seriously, if we have hundreds of situations than it kind of makes sense that in some of them fighting is just a bad idea.
Players inability to back off from a fight can seriously bite them in the ass. One good example is in a One Piece quest where a number of players were pointing that a situation where fighting was an option actually fighting seemed like a horrible idea and that there 'crew' wasn't ready for a fight like that. But then some people convinced a good number of the other half to ignore the logical reasoning that fighting was obviously a bad idea and went 'full shounen'/Leeroy Jenkins. It pretty much ended up with a number of loved characters/allies dying and a number of people regretting their choices.
Point is that there is a different between 'always giving up' and 'never backing down from a fight, ever'. Both are bad in their own ways and I really think people need to realize that.
Everything is a Leroy Jenkins to you, the plan for combat was literally destroy is power base then flood him when the numbers. The QM just broke any kind of balance by auto giving Thanos and OP character an OP stone just because. Then gave him another OP character just because. He also created it because he said so instead of using the stone to save his planet in easier ways. Even if Thanos studies it the first way he would think to use it isn't AI but brain wash people to gather materials. Also if Thanos is smart enough to make Ultron then why couldn't he make a Jarvis without a stone to do the same thing?
Everything is a Leroy Jenkins to you, the plan for combat was literally destroy is power base then flood him when the numbers. The QM just broke any kind of balance by auto giving Thanos and OP character an OP stone just because. Then gave him another OP character just because. He also created it because he said so instead of using the stone to save his planet in easier ways. Even if Thanos studies it the first way he would think to use it isn't AI but brain wash people to gather materials. Also if Thanos is smart enough to make Ultron then why couldn't he make a Jarvis without a stone to do the same thing?
No, not everything is a Leeroy Jenkins to me. What is a Leeroy Jenkins moment is when people decide to charge head first into a situation while avoiding everything else including proper planning. Hell, you keep ignoring my points about the issues with just relying on numbers and whose plan basically amounts assuming that everything is going to end up well without taking into account other things. I literally suggested actually planning for an actual war next turn instead of just charging in until we got more info from the QM pointing out that further aggression is a bad idea.
And that's the thing I was talking about. People like you always wanting to pick the most aggressive option and never backing down from a potential fight no matter how much more pragmatic it would be to not fight a certain battle. News flash, just because fighting shows up as an option doesn't mean that we should fight every single time it shows up as an option. Because realistically there are going to be times when fighting is just a bad idea.
As for the Ultron thing there is actually precedent in canon with the Scepter so it's not out of left field considering how OP Ultron was. And the issue with saying that 'Thanos wouldn't have done that' seems to be ignoring that there were a number of things that Thanos could have done. Just because he ended up picking something that you don't think he would have doesn't mean that it's true. After all we played Loki in a way that Loki went a different path than canon and Thanos here realized that there were other options.
-[z] No
-[z] Cancel the plans for the army near Muspelheim to attack all ships near it and to move join Loki in the current battle
-[z] Morpheus's body was re-engineered and he apparently has body jumping capabilities.
--[z] Have Osmond, Elym and Ylva locate if Morpheus is in Asgard's system and purge it/him.
-[z] Join Thor in the fight (Loki is down to 23 Martial)
--[z] Cast enchantments of Speed on Loki.
--[z] Play the fight smart, Thor is enraged after knowing what Morpheus did to his parents. Be on the lookout for any trick the bot is going to play.
-[z] Call 1/5 of the Chitarui here
-[z] After the fight, use the Dyson Sphere and the Neutron Star with Etri to reduce everything that Morpheus came with to ashes. (I don't want this mothertrucker to have any backups left.)
Osmond and Elym heed Loki's words, but find no trace of Morpheus or any other entity in Asgard's systems. There does appear to be some trace left behind that shows that he may have been there before, but nothing currently. Regardless efforts are made to strengthen the cyber security.
Morpheus: 12+50 (martial)+10 (strength/durability bonus)+10 (Thor's lightning)-25 (Thor's Hammer skill)-5 (Loki's Hand to Hand bonus due to his martial being so low in comparison)+10 (Binding/Sealing) = 62
Thor: 12+50 (martial) +15 (lightning) -15 (lightning absorbed) +5 (strength)-25 (Morpheus' skill)
Loki: 23+3 (binding) +5 (speed) = 31
Thor+Loki = 12+50 (thor martial)+5 (thor strength) +7 (loki martial comparison) -25 (Morpheus skill) -15 (Defensive Magic) = 34
Loki tries to enchant himself with some extra speed, to make up for his injuries, but it isn't quite successful. Thor however has no patience and instantly jumps in, swinging his hammer like a madman. To his credit, Morpheus manages to match Thor blow for blow, and even overmatch him some due to Thor's hammer not hitting him or moving him quite as far as it moved others. Surprisingly, the machine appears to be physically stronger than Thor, and can overpower him at times. Loki jumps in and attempts to bind the robot's limbs, stopping them from working, but he rips through the magical seal with surprising ease. Loki attacks with a much fervor and speed as he can, but his hits don't do much to the tough shell of Thanos' first son. But still, the distraction allows Thor to get off some key hits, that send the robot back.
Then Thor makes a crucial mistake. He does what he always does, his most effective move, and he summons lightning. Loki can see the bloodlust on his brother's face when he uses his patented move, and he also sees it turn to shock and awe when the lightning does nothing to the robot, and almost seems to empower him.
"What?" Thor questions aloud. "What kind of sorcery is this?"
"That is not sorcery. This is." Morpheus replies as his hands glow and...Loki recognizes it. It's binding/sealing magic. What? How? Quickly Loki and Thor are bound to the floor, and both of the Odinsons struggle to break free. "Courtesy of Odin himself. Matter of fact..." He then...shifts, and changes until his face, his body, his voice matches that of Odin. "I think it pertinent to teach you boys this lesson myself." He says as he walks forward, and grabs a sword from a nearby fallen Asgardian soldier. Slowly the sword transforms into a spear, the All-Father's spear, Gungnir.
"Father--or rather, Thanos is...he holds you in high regard Loki. Always talking about you and his plans for you. How proud he is of you. Well I fail to see what the fuss is about. I am his agent, his son. His true son, and thus I need to save him from himself. " The fake Odin, Morpheus making a mockery of the All-Father, stabs Loki in the stomach with his fake-Gungnir, and twists it deep. "I will savor th--" He stops and furrows his brow. "What? But father, he--" He growls in frustration. "Fine." Morpheus extracts the spear and looks at Loki in disgust. By now Thor had broken out of his bindings, but he only manages to catch a spear through the arm, forcing him to drop his hammer, and hold his appendage in pain. Morpheus stabs him as well, but makes it quick.
"You're lucky father wants to..." He turns, clearly frustrated as he stalks away.
"Don't run you coward! Stay and fight me like a man!" Yells out Thor. Loki really wishes he would shut up for now. He has to make sense of all this. He didn't even know a robot, an artificial being could use magic and...he had to think about how to counter it. And for that, they needed to live.
Morpheus stops, still in Odin's form, and for a moment Loki thinks he'll come back and finish the job. He does come back, but instead of attacking the struggling Thor and the bound Loki, he instead picks up a gun from one of the other fallen robots and guns down the remainder of the Dwarves. Eitri included.
"Thanos sends his regards. Consider this...payment for the sanctions."
And then he's gone. And the bindings dissolve.
The Dwarves are dead. But Asgard is not. And vengeance will come...eventually. Loki doesn't know how or when, but he knows it will come. It is inevitable.
AUTHOR NOTE: That was going to be a surprise, the magic thing, but I decided to reveal it early so you can work to counter it. Also speeds up Thor's development. The Dwarves are dead, Nidavellir is still functional though. And it seems bleak, but this is actually a gift of sorts so you didn't have to figure it out later when you think you've won, or try to figure it out on your own.
Does Loki do anything before returning to Asgard (and starting the turn)?
[] Write-In
[] No
Again I'll ask, for the 200 page reward what do you guys want?
[] 1 Reroll
[] The stats of 1 person
[] +1 to one magic
[] +20 to 1 roll
[] The full traits and skills of a person you have the stats of
[] 1 Life (survive things Loki shouldn't)
Also, you have yet to say how Thanos is insane currently. Just how he was insane in the past and in Canon. So, could you explain what his current obsession is?
No, not everything is a Leeroy Jenkins to me. What is a Leeroy Jenkins moment is when people decide to charge head first into a situation while avoiding everything else including proper planning. Hell, you keep ignoring my points about the issues with just relying on numbers and whose plan basically amounts assuming that everything is going to end up well without taking into account other things. I literally suggested actually planning for an actual war next turn instead of just charging in until we got more info from the QM pointing out that further aggression is a bad idea.
And that's the thing I was talking about. People like you always wanting to pick the most aggressive option and never backing down from a potential fight no matter how much more pragmatic it would be to not fight a certain battle. News flash, just because fighting shows up as an option doesn't mean that we should fight every single time it shows up as an option. Because realistically there are going to be times when fighting is just a bad idea.
As for the Ultron thing there is actually precedent in canon with the Scepter so it's not out of left field considering how OP Ultron was. And the issue with saying that 'Thanos wouldn't have done that' seems to be ignoring that there were a number of things that Thanos could have done. Just because he ended up picking something that you don't think he would have doesn't mean that it's true. After all we played Loki in a way that Loki went a different path than canon and Thanos here realized that there were other options.
You dont read plans I did not assume everything would end well especially with this QM. I literally stated several times that if the plan ended in failure we would still gain info. It was a win win scenerio where Thanos would be the one cleaning up instead of just Loki. You like to over simplify things without reading anything. You keep on saying Thanos is not an idiot and he would see through the mercs but when Ultron attacked you had all the excuses to for him. I try not to point fingers and say people like you but since you have started being rude why not. You are a very passive person that is self righteousness about it like the universe is wrong. In your plan last turn you did nothing to prepare for war in the plan you supported. Yet right now you are saying we should prepare. If we used your definition of prepare we would never go to war.
He was clearly obsessed with Stark and his plans. The only reason he did any of what he did was because of Stark's plans to encase the world in armor and to make Ultron, which was to automatically protect the Earth. The base was set for him, his obsessive personality brought it over to boil.
Guess what context isn't here for him to do that? Literally none of it.
It's not them that's kid gloves. It's how they're acting/handling Loki/Asgard that's kid gloves. They're around as a direct result of Loki's actions, but I can choose to play them on medium or Extreme. Right now it's easy or medium.
Was the evolution of the human race, Stark's plan? Huh, I must have missed something.
Ultron was obsessed with his creators? Guess he forgot Daddy Banner then.
Ultron's god-complex stemmed from the Mind Stone. But I guess Morpheus won't have them... coz QM's Plot Armor.
He'd go right to you and kill you. Like he'd show up on Asgard with Morpheus and all of his army and aim for Loki, Odin, Thor, and Frigga. That's one thing.
For two, he has...powers he hasn't used yet, things he learned over time, that would allow him to absolutely stomp you.
Three, when Odin was ambushed, he'd have actually died, purposely to release Hela, but only after killing Frigga, Osmond, Elym, Eir, and taking everything in the vault. Because it'd be Morpheus doing it, and thus he'd have no fear of reprise from Asgard if caught.
Thor would've never been released, but either controlled or killed.
Frigga and Odin would've died from Loki's ten second delay of fighting Morpheus the first time.
Thanos would be looking for and getting Infinity Stones. More of them.
They'd probably also have some Dwarf-level weapons and armor.
Oh and orbital bombardment first to kill as many as possible first. Before attacking at all.
Possibility of Morpheus just destroying Asgard via your vulnerabilities I won't mention.
The Surtur plan might've actually happened.
Just to name a few.
Actually because someone else chose it. But it made logical sense so it works/worked for me.
Logical sense for Thanos to find the Mind Stone and take an encrypted code from the Sceptre to make an AI. While Thanos, the great genius instead of getting an AI a normal way, went this way... coz reasons? I mean there is no logical sense in this for Thanos, and Stark and Banner did it coz they had the whole idea realized and were missing a piece. But Thanos had all the pieces... he deconstructed them (for reason unknown) to implement this one part into the whole puzzle. (See the list of coincides piling up for Morpheus to even happen.)
Besides, are there people who play Extreme Quest? Like not for a week to get the feel and just quit. Like, play till the end? Are there even Extreme Quests? coz I can't see people playing them.... what would be the point?
For fucks sake no, he wasn't asking us to give up our brother. He asked for a freaking apology. After Thor wrecked a good part of Titan and killed a bunch of people. We could have just decided to let it go for now and continue building up our forces. But no, people like you had to act like the only way forward was direct confrontation when it was pointed out that there were other ways and that bull rushing could backfire.
You were wrong.
I'm bolding that as a reminder and an example of why pulling a Leeroy Jenkins and immediately charging into a situation instead of going other routes like playing the long game can and will screw us over. Also to have something to point to whenever you keep acting like you know how things would turn out and treating assumptions as facts.
Red, let's take this scenario.
Person A is a coffee maker. He goes to a new city to start a coffee business. The business is going good, and many people enjoy A's coffee and the service at the place ain't bad. But one day, one of your customer shoots up and kill some of your staff members, coz according to him the staff members were holding A back and making the coffee taste bad by doing stupid stuff like putting the coffee ground in the disposal. Now, scared A decides to close the business, but the customer who killed A's staff says no and says that A has to continue making coffee.
Now imagine you are A for a moment. What will you do, comply with his demands and make coffee for him (and others if they visit your shop) for years and might hold onto a chance that one day you may be able to poison this crazy customer? or will you say 'no' to this customer, and go for the chance to defeat him?
I understand the situation is not exactly the same, but the sentiments are exactly the same.
You say that you consider other options but from what I've seen you come across as extremely unwilling to go a different path than what you originally want and have an extremely hard time budging on things.
Another thing is that you come across as being very unwilling to admit to being wrong on anything. I mean look at the Thanos apology. First you say that we would have been forced to give up our brother when that wasn't the case. Second that there was a promise involved, when there wasn't. And this was not only literally a few posts apat but both points kept getting repeatedly debunked constantly when brought up. And then when Mostly Blue suggest that you just admit that you were wrong you deflected from admitting so.
Throw in things like conveniently ignoring word of QM on Amora which were brought up a number of times and it just seems like you just have a serious problem admitting that you could be wrong.
And before you say anything, yes I admit that can be wrong and have been in a number of situations. And that's fine, it happens. No need to make a big deal out of it.
...That is really not the same thing. Not only were there ways to deal with Thanos in the future but the offer to back off came after Thor did the same exact thing as Thanos except worse in that he ended up killing a number of civilians when Thanos made it a point to avoid civilian casualties. We aren't the freaking Avengers, we are king and we could have gone a more pragmatic choice and had we Odin and Frigga could have been healed by now and we could have worked towards playing the long game.
And you keep missing the point in that my issue isn't with other players having different opinions that differ from mine but your own issues.
No offense but the issue with you is that you seem to have a bad habit of not being able to admit that you may be wrong. Which has a number of issues. I mean I get called out from time to time for my issues and get critique. Nothing wrong with getting some criticism.
Look, both of you are stubborn as a mule. Both of you believe in your convictions and are willing to adjust or make changes to your plans, if a suggestion is made.
There really is little point to trying to surrender to Thanos to "long game" him at this point. The quest mechanics don't reward success nearly as much as they punish mild failures, the opposition (Thanos) will develop at a higher rate no matter what because the Moves that Loki can make are limited by what options are made available by the QM while the QM makes the opposition whatever he imagines, and he will handwave any rolls as he sees fit (note the first invasion).
The fact that the QM sees this as an easy/medium setting says much about his QM style and really should tell all players that they will lose, eventually. The only question is how much salt and how much pain the characters will go through while we the players are told that we are all wrong and have all of our suggestions ignored before the game ends.
So, go all in the attack. At least this way, there will be dice rolls that could (theoretically) lead to victory.
See... the thing is Thanos/NPCs succeed in everything. Thanos making an AI from Mind Stone is just another example. The list of coincidences Thanos had to go through to make Morpheus happen is there, but QM just ignores it.
Can't we just like, distract Thanos with something (Tyr and someone else maybe), use the personal Teleporters with Amora and Lorelei on watch for anything, directly teleport to where the artifacts are, grab them and possibly kill anyone there and just plain bail out? I could suggest something else but, at this point? Nah. Won't work.
But this isn't MCU Thanos. He stoped being MCU Thanos after he dropped his "perfectly balanced" mentality, aka a core aspect of his character. We had no idea how he was going to act because you took away our basic understanding of the character.
Also, you have yet to say how Thanos is insane currently. Just how he was insane in the past and in Canon. So, could you explain what his current obsession is?
[X] Picking up the Pieces
-[X] Bring 1/5 of the retreating Chitari to guard.
-[X] Loki orders the retrieval of every robot to be brought back to Asgard for study.
--[X] Under heavy guard
--[X] Osmond and Elym are to check over the robots and deactivate them.
--[X] See if they can get traces of Ultron on an isolated network.
-[X] See if Loki can find any information or Artifacts have it taken back to Asgard.
-[X] Have the dwarves buried.
-[X] Deliver a speech for the dead with Sigyn
-[X] Relax with wife (Loki is probably going to be stressed after this and he needs someone to talk to)
@KnowledgeKing Is Ultron Amazo now? Is he copying everyone's powers?
Logical sense for Thanos to find the Mind Stone and take an encrypted code from the Sceptre to make an AI. While Thanos, the great genius instead of getting an AI a normal way, went this way... coz reasons? I mean there is no logical sense in this for Thanos, and Stark and Banner did it coz they had the whole idea realized and were missing a piece. But Thanos had all the pieces... he deconstructed them (for reason unknown) to implement this one part into the whole puzzle. (See the list of coincides piling up for Morpheus to even happen.)
Besides, are there people who play Extreme Quest? Like not for a week to get the feel and just quit. Like, play till the end? Are there even Extreme Quests?
1. Thanos wants to get resources and save Titan. Due to seeing PF's success, the plan is simple, take the available resources from its customers.
2. How? It's electronically stored, so hacking works. Works on code.
3. Since he has like...hours in the day, he also looks for Titan's resources that may have been overlooked.
4. Finds the Scepter, reads on how it's supposed to be super important and never touched. Curious, he runs tests on it.
5. It can control people and has code inside of it that can be used for an AI. This synergizes well with his plan to steal resources. This way, if it's good enough, it can adapt and evolve and make sure they get the resources.
6. Morpheus is born.
Extreme Quests? Seem to be a few on this site tbh. That I've seen.
Was the evolution of the human race, Stark's plan? Huh, I must have missed something.
Ultron was obsessed with his creators? Guess he forgot Daddy Banner then.
Ultron's god-complex stemmed from the Mind Stone.
Yes actually. That's the basis of his Ultron plan. For humanity to evolve and protect itself from outside threats. Ultron just took it further.
Yeah he was obsessed with Stark and had his personality. Banner was ignored and isn't seen as the creator for w/e reason.
Don't remember a god complex but like...not seeing how that stops him from working for Thanos who's above most gods and programmed him to be loyal. Like he wouldn't be here if that code didn't exist to make him loyal.
Fuck, the Dwarves are dead, great. Well as painful as that is there is always a blight side to things. Nidaveller is still functional and so is something we can use. Which despite everything is great in that we have a magical forge to finally have access to and thus can get to work on magi tech with the best forge around.
Does Loki do anything before returning to Asgard (and starting the turn)?
[] Set up defenses for Nidaveller. Have 3/5 of Chitauri army on guard duty. Gather all information and schematics that can be found around the station.
Might as well take advantage of this and gain something that we can use against Thanos later.
Fuck, the Dwarves are dead, great. Well as painful as that is there is always a blight side to things. Nidaveller is still functional and so is something we can use. Which despite everything is great in that we have a magical forge to finally have access to and thus can get to work on magi tech with the best forge around.
Does Loki do anything before returning to Asgard (and starting the turn)?
[] Set up defenses for Nidaveller. Have 3/5 of Chitauri army on guard duty. Gather all information and schematics that can be found around the station.
Might as well take advantage of this and gain something that we can use against Thanos later.
Even if we have The Forge we don't have their sheer skill and experience, so yeah, not a big deal especially when making a Forge was easy all things considered.
Even if we have The Forge we don't have their sheer skill and experience, so yeah, not a big deal especially when making a Forge was easy all things considered.
No, we couldn't make a magic forge. The Dwarves have them and the best forge in the universe. So still a big deal even if we don't the sheer skill or experience.
[X] Picking up the Pieces
-[X] Loki orders the retrieval of every robot to be brought back to Asgard for study.
--[X] Under heavy guard
--[X] Osmond and Elym are to check over the robots and deactivate them.
--[X] See if they can get traces of Ultron on an isolated network.
-[X] See if Loki can find any books or Artifacts have it taken back to Asgard.
-[X] Have the dwarves buried.
@KnowledgeKing Is Ultron Amazo now? Is he copying everyone's powers?
Fuck, the Dwarves are dead, great. Well as painful as that is there is always a blight side to things. Nidaveller is still functional and so is something we can use. Which despite everything is great in that we have a magical forge to finally have access to and thus can get to work on magi tech with the best forge around.
Does Loki do anything before returning to Asgard (and starting the turn)?
[] Set up defenses for Nidaveller. Have 3/5 of Chitauri army on guard duty. Gather all information and schematics that can be found around the station.
Might as well take advantage of this and gain something that we can use against Thanos later.
Well... War is imminent, ain't it boys. It may not be started by us. But now that Thor knows that Morpheus and Thanos has Odin's knowledge and magic (i don't know how this works), he or most likely Odin, the big man himself, would be on a warpath.
