Ya know what? I give up. There's no point. No amount of omakes, no planning, not even actual good dice.

Everything we do can fall away because the QM allegedly had it all pre-planned. There isn't a way to win. Fucking hell, we have to follow a strict guideline, while Qm just does whatever and changes it last minute. This can't even be called a player vs. QM. This is a Qm repeated rocks falling with the players playing the game of how little can you get hit. Meanwhile other players get a building to hide in.

Glad to hear about if we get OP, then you'll bring in big bad opponents, guess that doesn't apply to the enemy though.

But yes, its so fair, how a body swapping, AI bypassed magic technological and Odinforce defenses, to steal two artifacts, undetected but is also a kick butt robot who has over a 79 bonus basically, and can match prowrestler, Thor, Asgardian royalty, trained all of his life which is centuries, prepped for major battle against Titan for the past two turns, wielder of Mjolnir, Odinson.

This isn't plot armor. Its not even plot castle. This si just a bunch of fancifully colored BS.

So while This OP Ultron hack gets to clear half of our forces with that pathetic roll, Thor plus the few actual succeeding fighters, only manage to keep us up and clear off his portion? At what level is this in any way fair? I can't describe how stupid this is. But because I wanna hope beyond hope, that this is somehow explained I'll continue to play.

Also I say next turn, before Odin retakes the throne I say we just Bifrost Titan and any lifeforms near it so Qm can't just say Thanos used the mind stone to switch bodies, or store his conscious in it. In case he does try to do the latter, I say we also send the mind stone into a star. Then we take any and all actions in rooting out and eradicating Morpheus
Besides the genocide thing, because fuck genocide and please for the love stop advocating it, I do agree with what you said.

@KnowledgeKing I hate to say it but you have a serious issue with keeping things balanced. As people say it feels like rock falls everyone dies. I mean having most of the dwarves freaking die even when they rolled a 90 and the Morpheus rolled an 11? That is just absolutely rage inducing considering that we rolled a freaking Nat 100 for the Dwarf meeting and now it feels pointless since most of them died to one single roll and merc. If only some died and most ended up injured it would still lead to a bit of salt but most dying was just honestly too much.

You also have a serious issue with making characters way too OP. Here is the thing, it's alright to have an OP, it's not when they are handled pretty badly like how you have been doing. I mean this Morpheus guy just seems Mary Sue levels of absurd. He not only survives everything thrown at him but he also ends up sneaking with absurd level of skill like stealing both Heimdalls sword and the scepter right under Loki's nose originally after he got his freaking head cut off but also managed to escape. Not only that but the same guy nearly kills Odin, again, and even sneaks into the vault containing a ton of powerful artifacts after we spent actions boosting defenses to prevent just that and he just fucking bypasses everything and gets away, again. Not helped in that you made it so that he tried it before the magic defenses can be put up. And now he shows up and slaughters most of the freaking dwarfs even when they rolled extremely high and he rolled well.

Dude, that's just Mary Sue levels of villainy where the villains is super special person that succeeds at everything and always gets away. Made way worse in that you aren't rolling for characters anymore and just deciding that they succeed. And it didn't need to be that way. You could have made it so that if you wanted powerful AI villains to have the 'merc' die to Loki during the invasion and Morpheus to be an 'upgraded' version improved on the original merc instead of both being the same exact person pulling off all this bullshit.

Even freaking Ultron wasn't this bullshit.

There is a really good reason that people keep calling your QMing style 'rock falls everyone dies'. It pretty much feels like our opponents have an insane unfair advantage and you are deliberately setting them up to succeed no matter what we do. I know that it would be anti climatic for the villains to just die but them just seemingly succeeding at everything is just really not fun for the players. And it really is an issue if people keep bringing it up all the time.

I think it would really help if you had some other people to bounce off ideas to tell you 'Okay, you should really tone this bit down or do it differently because you are just going to piss off your playerbase due to how unfair this is'.
 
[X] Denial

What should we do for the 200 page reward?
I'm thinking re roll just in case QM bullshit happens.

Edit: @Red Bovine I think that Thanos is auto passing his 20 actions. It would make sense if it was only 3 but this is too much. It's either that or Ultron is doing all the actions and auto passing them.

Edit: Also how the hell did he get Ultron, Osmond crited hard on tech and only got basic AI.
 
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I know people are tired of this shit but please let's not make the mistake of last quest and jump the gun without gathering information first before acting. I doubt that Thanos did take precautions in making defenses for his planet or predicted another attack literally right after Thor caused damage on Titan. And we should also consider that Odin may be up after this battle due to the serum even if he would still be weakened. Might want to get his input first.

So how about this? We finish this battle, learn more about what the hell is going on and next turn properly prepare for war including reconnaissance, info gathering and building up our defenses even further and gathering more allies? After this we would have justification for going to war with Titan so might as well prepare properly instead of potentially screwing things up by jumping the gun and underestimating our enemies.
I don't have it in me... bro. Sorry.

Maybe makes sure that Thanos isn't planning to give the Crown to Surtur, check with Nova Corps. for anything, make sure he hasn't hired some mercs, maybe contact him later to confirm this wasn't him. Capture the robot this time probably as well.
Um.. unless Thanos knows about Ragnarok and has history knowledge of the Eternal Flames, he won't send the Flames to Surtur.
Even in OTL Earth found out about Ragnarok in the 13th century. So it is safe to say that Thanos has no knowledge of the connection between Eternal Flame and Surtur.
For all, we know Morpheus has the Sceptre with him now. And would Mind Control us or Thor, if we let him live and just capture him.

Have Sif remotely command the Chitari, her strategy and war would boost them. Also have Amora and Lorelei Scry Thanos so Sif knows what the response is.
You should also have the army prioritize baiting Thanos and the army away from the artifacts to make it easier to steal.
I am not sending Sif on a Kamikaze mission. And when an armada ten times his is attacking him... well he will come out to defend his right.

We should call in the nova corps
And what will they do with such a short response time?

[X] Denial

What should we do for the 200 page reward?
Save it for the future.
[X] Plan: Hit me, baby, one more time.
-[x] Evacuate the remaining Dwarves (with Tyr) back to Asgard.
--[x] No merc body is to go back with them.
--[x] Give the command to fortify Asgard and be ready for war.
-[x] Morpheus's body was re-engineered and he apparently has body jumping capabilities.
--[x] Have Osmond, Elym and Ylva locate if Morpheus is in Asgard's system and purge it/him.
-[x] The Chitauri at Muspelheim are to be called back to Asgard and act as it's defender.
-[x] The 4/5th of the Chitauris are to attack Titan.
--[x] Send a fraction of Asgardian spies to retrieve the artifacts.
---[x] Have Amora and Lorelei relay to them the location of the items so they can retrieve them during the attack.
--[x] The Chitauri's objectives are to attack Titan's production facilities and Military Outposts (turrets, barracks, orbital weapons etc)
---[x] Keep the mothership as far as you can from Titan.
---[x] Kamikaze the shit out of Titan Palace, Production Facilities and Military Outpost if Chitauri are loosing.
-[x] Join Thor in the fight (Loki is down to 23 Martial)
--[x] Cast enchantments of Speed on Loki.
--[x] Play the fight smart, Thor is enraged after knowing what Morpheus did to his parents. Be on the lookout for any trick the bot is going to play.
-[x] After the fight, use the Dyson Sphere and the Neutron Star with Etri to reduce everything that Morpheus came with to ashes. (I don't want this mothertrucker to have any backups left.)

(Like bringing out the Sceptre to mind control Thor.)
@KnowledgeKing Will we get actions after we destroy Morpheus or vice versa?
@Darkcore41 You should check out the last action and the way Loki fights in my plan, and do the same with yours.
 
Does anyone actually have a plan that doesn't involve plunging headfirst into battle? Because I'm seeing a lot of people objecting to the current plans, but not offering any counter plans.
Yeah I know what you mean. It seems like people are just going to ignore the whole 'the QM is strongly implying that there is more going on and that attacking Titan may not be a good idea' thing. Seriously, when someone asked the QM about attacking Titan they were surprised and the way they worded it seems like that it might not be a good idea. It's also telling that before the plan would continue that we got hints that there was more going on and that they asked to confirm if we really wanted to go with the plan.

Seriously, this seems like the Amora situation from last quest where people jumped the gun and made a very unwise decision before getting more information which screwed us over. And yet it doesn't seem like people learned a thing last time.

I mean we don't need to attack and the reasons behind attacking comes with a lot of assumptions. Hell, we can literally come to a decision after we stop the attack against the dwarfs and get more information.
 
And they were supposed to move if Thanos was attacking... so they waved Morpheus's forces bye-bye and just bypassed them... Okay.

Attack Titan...Titan's not near Nidavellir to my knowledge.

Ya know what? I give up. There's no point. No amount of omakes, no planning, not even actual good dice.

Everything we do can fall away because the QM allegedly had it all pre-planned. There isn't a way to win. Fucking hell, we have to follow a strict guideline, while Qm just does whatever and changes it last minute. This can't even be called a player vs. QM. This is a Qm repeated rocks falling with the players playing the game of how little can you get hit. Meanwhile other players get a building to hide in.

Glad to hear about if we get OP, then you'll bring in big bad opponents, guess that doesn't apply to the enemy though.

But yes, its so fair, how a body swapping, AI bypassed magic technological and Odinforce defenses, to steal two artifacts, undetected but is also a kick butt robot who has over a 79 bonus basically, and can match prowrestler, Thor, Asgardian royalty, trained all of his life which is centuries, prepped for major battle against Titan for the past two turns, wielder of Mjolnir, Odinson.

This isn't plot armor. Its not even plot castle. This si just a bunch of fancifully colored BS.

So while This OP Ultron hack gets to clear half of our forces with that pathetic roll, Thor plus the few actual succeeding fighters, only manage to keep us up and clear off his portion? At what level is this in any way fair? I can't describe how stupid this is. But because I wanna hope beyond hope, that this is somehow explained I'll continue to play.

Also I say next turn, before Odin retakes the throne I say we just Bifrost Titan and any lifeforms near it so Qm can't just say Thanos used the mind stone to switch bodies, or store his conscious in it. In case he does try to do the latter, I say we also send the mind stone into a star. Then we take any and all actions in rooting out and eradicating Morpheus

Right...

Maybe I should give you a what if of when I take the baby gloves off. Because right now...you're complaining about medium when you essentially chose Extreme mode. People are alive despite being swarmed in battle and losing their martial rolls by a lot.

Morpheus likely has stealth capabilities and should have OP weapons that add bonuses to his roll...I scrapped that. Hell he should probably be made of w/e Thanos' sword was made of, but I decided not to. Because I'm trying to help you guys while maintaining logic.

I'm literally doing all I can to help you guys out, you just make really really bad choices. I can only do so much.

And no, Morpheus didn't cut half of your forces in half on his own. It was the giant robot army that outnumbered you. They had a part in it as well.

And no he doesn't have 79 bonus. Read. It was the minus from his skill. Same one Loki gets all the time to his opponents.

And matching Thor...Ultron matches Thor with like 3 days of life. Morpheus is the same thing but with decades of life and experience fighting Asgardians PLUS a smarter father with better tech. Yeah he should match Thor.

And I never said stronger opponents would come if you got OP. I said the already OP people would notice you because that makes sense.

And their opponents are getting stronger. Thor's getting more and more OP every turn. So is Asgard. Not sure what else you want.

Besides the genocide thing, because fuck genocide and please for the love stop advocating it, I do agree with what you said.

@KnowledgeKing I hate to say it but you have a serious issue with keeping things balanced. As people say it feels like rock falls everyone dies. I mean having most of the dwarves freaking die even when they rolled a 90 and the Morpheus rolled an 11? That is just absolutely rage inducing considering that we rolled a freaking Nat 100 for the Dwarf meeting and now it feels pointless since most of them died to one single roll and merc. If only some died and most ended up injured it would still lead to a bit of salt but most dying was just honestly too much.

You also have a serious issue with making characters way too OP. Here is the thing, it's alright to have an OP, it's not when they are handled pretty badly like how you have been doing. I mean this Morpheus guy just seems Mary Sue levels of absurd. He not only survives everything thrown at him but he also ends up sneaking with absurd level of skill like stealing both Heimdalls sword and the scepter right under Loki's nose originally after he got his freaking head cut off but also managed to escape. Not only that but the same guy nearly kills Odin, again, and even sneaks into the vault containing a ton of powerful artifacts after we spent actions boosting defenses to prevent just that and he just fucking bypasses everything and gets away, again. Not helped in that you made it so that he tried it before the magic defenses can be put up. And now he shows up and slaughters most of the freaking dwarfs even when they rolled extremely high and he rolled well.

Dude, that's just Mary Sue levels of villainy where the villains is super special person that succeeds at everything and always gets away. Made way worse in that you aren't rolling for characters anymore and just deciding that they succeed. And it didn't need to be that way. You could have made it so that if you wanted powerful AI villains to have the 'merc' die to Loki during the invasion and Morpheus to be an 'upgraded' version improved on the original merc instead of both being the same exact person pulling off all this bullshit.

Even freaking Ultron wasn't this bullshit.

There is a really good reason that people keep calling your QMing style 'rock falls everyone dies'. It pretty much feels like our opponents have an insane unfair advantage and you are deliberately setting them up to succeed no matter what we do. I know that it would be anti climatic for the villains to just die but them just seemingly succeeding at everything is just really not fun for the players. And it really is an issue if people keep bringing it up all the time.

I think it would really help if you had some other people to bounce off ideas to tell you 'Okay, you should really tone this bit down or do it differently because you are just going to piss off your playerbase due to how unfair this is'.

So...do you want to ignore dice or what? Because the dice is how he snuck up on Loki and took the sword. Surviving Decap's because it's an AI controlling a body from far away. Decap doesn't matter.

Uh...Morpheus is the upgraded merc. That's literally the same thing. Ultron...was about to destroy Earth and beat Thor in a fight. He needed an infinity stone+Thor+Iron Man+Vision's hax abilities to beat him. That was within 3 days of life. So nah. That's wrong.

Succeed at what? Loki got Gungnir back. Got Hofund back. No one died in the invasion except Heimdall. Despite the sneak advantage. Nothing was taken from the vault in the invasion either. The only success was killing Heimdall and placing Loki on the throne...which benefits you. And YOU WERE GIVEN A REDO.

You just rejected it.

I have other people to bounce ideas off of. They want me to do so much worse. But I hold back to help you guys out.

Right now it seems like whining that villains get to do anything.

Let's look at the quest right now:

  • Loki is KING.
  • Asgard has improved tremendously
  • The first attack did literally nothing besides remove Heimdall and...make Loki KING and give Asgard more tech
  • This attack has killed no one named. And you were allowed an action to respond when in reality, it'd be over too quick to even roll for anything
  • And this is despite facing Thanos and Ultron
Like if anyone, you guys have the plot armor. Asgard should probably be a smoking pile of rubble and Loki should be dead. But you complain about villain success when there has been nothing on screen. How Sway?

And if y'all get pissed off, it's whatever. All I'm going to do is what makes sense and what's fair with a heavy lean to helping you guys out. Like always.
 
Attack Titan...Titan's not near Nidavellir to my knowledge.
The 1/5th army was stationed at Nidavellir. And when Morpheus attacked, it was still there.
When we got the confirmation that the attack was from Thanos and his cronies, we asked the Chitauri to move to Muselphiem.
See the huge time gap between these two actions?

@KnowledgeKing Also a curious question. For how long Thanos has been rolling? And is his action plan as King of Titan, somewhat same as Loki's King of Asgard? (20 Kingdom action, and 5 personal action?)

Dude, we are in deep shit right now and you want to wait on it?! My choice was mostly just a joke, but it's still better than not using it!
Use it in the next turn we get. Like the outcome, we receive from this turn.
Suppose, we are 10 amounts away from purging Morpheus from the Asgard system? or Loki dies in this turn.. then we can use the +20 roll or a revive roll.
Using the roll this turn is silly.
 
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Yeah I know what you mean. It seems like people are just going to ignore the whole 'the QM is strongly implying that there is more going on and that attacking Titan may not be a good idea' thing. Seriously, when someone asked the QM about attacking Titan they were surprised and the way they worded it seems like that it might not be a good idea. It's also telling that before the plan would continue that we got hints that there was more going on and that they asked to confirm if we really wanted to go with the plan.

Seriously, this seems like the Amora situation from last quest where people jumped the gun and made a very unwise decision before getting more information which screwed us over. And yet it doesn't seem like people learned a thing last time.

I mean we don't need to attack and the reasons behind attacking comes with a lot of assumptions. Hell, we can literally come to a decision after we stop the attack against the dwarfs and get more information.
When did the QM say it imply that? Also you are missing the point it is a distraction. You wish to give 5 more year s to Thanos to prepare, your crazy. I'm not saying to instantly go to war I'm saying use an asset that doesn't damage Asgard and damage him with it.

@KnowledgeKing when Sif takes command of the Chitari remotely that means from Asgard right?

@Sanas22 Sif isn't going with the Chitari she is commanding from Asgard.
 
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Thanos/NPCs don't roll.
So Thanos's gifted strength, mind, willpower, and well every stat were just there from the start?
And he worked on them for 55 years (assuming he started his learning and everything at 5) to be... well as strong as he is rn.

Also, you should read, Barry Lyga's Thanos: Titan Consumed, at one point it was canon until Marvel made it not. It's a fun read.
 
[X] No reboot
[X] Another way
-[X] No
-[X] Cancel the plans for the army near Muspelheim to attack all ships near it and to move join Loki in the current battle
-[X] Morpheus's body was re-engineered and he apparently has body jumping capabilities.
--[X] Have Osmond, Elym and Ylva locate if Morpheus is in Asgard's system and purge it/him.
-[X] Join Thor in the fight (Loki is down to 23 Martial)
--[X] Cast enchantments of Speed on Loki.
--[X] Play the fight smart, Thor is enraged after knowing what Morpheus did to his parents. Be on the lookout for any trick the bot is going to play.
-[X] Call 1/5 of the Chitarui here
-[X] After the fight, use the Dyson Sphere and the Neutron Star with Etri to reduce everything that Morpheus came with to ashes. (I don't want this mothertrucker to have any backups left.)

Just realized but holy shit the plan that had us move ships to Muspelheim is a horrible idea. Not only would attacking ships to and from there without due cause be grounds for war but look really goddamn bad to everyone else since it would look like it was for no reason. It would also be suspicious as hell and would likely clue in Surtur that the Flames were stolen since why else would an army suddenly show up near his world?

Anyway as mentioned attacking Titan now seems like a really bad idea since we would likely be throwing an army away. We also are likely missing quite a bit of info and considering that the QM mentioned that they are trying to help us and gave us a chance to back off think people should really reconsider that. And yes, it is pretty much going Leeloy Jenkins since people don't really have a plan other than attacking which may not even succeed.

Really, I'm all for retaliton but it seems it's being hinted that Morpheus may be acting without Thanos' knowledge like Thor did meaning that Titan may not be any less defended. If we are going to attack Titan we should plan things properly instead of just throwing away assets that may not even accomplish much in an attack that people haven't even thought through. I mean really, it seems like people didn't consider how realistic it would be for our spies to get anywhere on Titan and how well the attackers we sent will do.
 
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[X] Denial
-[X] Evacuate the Dwarves back to Asgard
--[X] Have the military check for any add-ons.
-- [X] Increase guard on all exits and entrances to the palace and the protection of the king and queen. (No one goes in or out)
- [X] Have Osmond and Elym check the palace computer system for any intrusion s or holes and fix them.
- [X] Have Osmond and Elym block any electronic recording device in the planning room.
-[X] Send the Chitauri to attack Titan
-[X] Relay the locations of Thanos and the artifacts to spies.
-[X] keep to previous plan with changes below.
--[X] Chitari are to attack in order to draw Thanos away from the artifacts.
--[X] Attack production facilities as primary.
--[X] Spies are to use Chitari attacks as a distaction
--[X] Spies prioritize the artifacts and leave as soon as they have it.
--[X] Sif takes command of the army on Titan remotely.
--[X] If they start to lose start kamikaze them.
---[X] whatever I closest and can do the most damage to military. (Soldiers, bases, production facilities)
--[X] Amora and Lorelei keep scrying Thanos and relay his commands to Sif.
--[X] Sif uses these commands to adapt the attack with priority if drawing out Thanos and his army away from the artifacts.
-[X] Join Thor in the fight (Loki is down to 23 Martial)
--[x] Play the fight smart, Thor is enraged after knowing what Morpheus did to his parents. Be on the lookout for any trick the bot is going to play.
--[X] Cast a quick speed enchant on both Loki and Thor

We can't let Thanos study the artifacts, so send the Chitari as a distraction and have the spies do their thing.

Edit: @DreamCWeaver do not bring the Chitari here they are untrustable assissts. We also should attack Titan to stop Thanos from having time to study the artifacts.
[X] Plan: Hit me, baby, one more time.
-[x] Evacuate the remaining Dwarves (with Tyr) back to Asgard.
--[x] No merc body is to go back with them.
--[x] Give the command to fortify Asgard and be ready for war.
-[x] Morpheus's body was re-engineered and he apparently has body jumping capabilities.
--[x] Have Osmond, Elym and Ylva locate if Morpheus is in Asgard's system and purge it/him.
-[x] The Chitauri at Muspelheim are to be called back to Asgard and act as it's defender.
-[x] The 4/5th of the Chitauris are to attack Titan (with Sif in command, relay her the basic objectives which are mentioned below).
--[x] Send a fraction of Asgardian spies to retrieve the artifacts.
---[x] Have Amora and Lorelei relay to them the location of the items so they can retrieve them during the attack.
--[x] The Chitauri's objectives are to attack Titan's production facilities and Military Outposts (turrets, barracks, orbital weapons etc)
---[x] Keep the mothership as far as you can from Titan.
---[x] Kamikaze the shit out of Titan Palace, Production Facilities and Military Outpost if Chitauri are loosing.
-[x] Join Thor in the fight (Loki is down to 23 Martial)
--[x] Cast enchantments of Speed on Loki.
--[x] Play the fight smart, Thor is enraged after knowing what Morpheus did to his parents. Be on the lookout for any trick the bot is going to play.
-[x] After the fight, use the Dyson Sphere and the Neutron Star with Etri to reduce everything that Morpheus came with to ashes. (I don't want this mothertrucker to have any backups left.)

(Like bringing out the Sceptre to mind control Thor.)
@KnowledgeKing Will we get actions after we destroy Morpheus or vice versa?
I would heavily recommend changing some aspects of your plan.
And don't put enchantments on Thor. They could tip off his flow of balance during the battle.

[] Another way
-[] No
-[] Cancel the plans for the army near Muspelheim to attack all ships near it and to move back to Asgard
-[] Join Thor in the fight (Loki is down to 23 Martial)
-[] Call the Chitarui here

Just realized but holy shit the plan that had us move ships to Muspelheim is a horrible idea. Not only would attacking ships to and from there without due cause be grounds for war but look really goddamn bad to everyone else since it would look like it was for no reason. It would also be suspicious as hell and would likely clue in Surtur that the Flames were stolen since why else would an army suddenly show up near his world?

Anyway as mentioned attacking Titan now seems like a really bad idea since we would likely be throwing an army away. We also are likely missing quite a bit of info and considering that the QM mentioned that they are trying to help us and gave us a chance to back off think people should really reconsider that. And yes, it is pretty much going Leeloy Jenkins since people don't really have a plan other than attacking which may not even succeed.

Really, I'm all for retaliton but it seems it's being hinted that Morpheus may be acting without Thanos' knowledge like Thor did meaning that Titan may not be any less defended. If we are going to attack Titan we should plan things properly instead of just throwing away assets that may not even accomplish much in an attack that people haven't even thought through. I mean really, it seems like people didn't consider how realistic it would be for our spies to get anywhere on Titan and how well the attackers we sent will do.
The Burning Galaxy is an empty wasteland... but sure.
How would some random aliens attacking some ships, will let Surtur know that the Eternal Flames were stolen?
Yes, Morpheus might be attacking without Thanos's knowledge. Use the last line of my plan and add it to your plan and also the Osmond, Elym... action. I am still wary of him having the Mind Stone on him. Also edit the joining Thor in the fight, in a way similar to mine. I don't want Morepheus to Mind Control Thor.
Don't call all the Chitauri here, only bring back the 1/5th/
 
When did the QM say it imply that? Also you are missing the point it is a distraction. You wish to give 5 more year s to Thanos to prepare, your crazy. I'm not saying to instantly go to war I'm saying use an asset that doesn't damage Asgard and damage him with it.
I keep pointing out that realistically your plan has a number of holes in it. I mean does the army even know where anything is on Titan? Or realistically our spies? Or how Titan's defenses may just easily take out the Army we just bought without accomplishing nothing of note?

And the only justification you keep using is 'well Thanos is building up'. Yeah he is but you keep conveniently ignoring that he has been crippled with the sanctions with very few people willing to ally with him and not much resources. Meanwhile Asgard is the strongest nation in the world and we have been boosting it even more. In fact our ability to grow is even more than Titan's and we are not crippled like them and have a number of advantages. Basically we get a lot more from growth then Thanos does including does thanks to all our resources and knowledge including a freaking Infinity Stone of our own.

The main disadvantage I see in attacking in that it doesn't seem like it would accomplish much and just lead to more damage once Titan Retaliates. At least with waiting a turn we could build up, actually prepare for war and mitigate the damage far more from any potential war. Not helped in that people are immediately jumping the gun and not even bothering to wait until the fight is over to reconsider sending a fleet.
 
@Sanas22 what do you want me to change? I already changed the Thor enchant option.

@Red Bovine Let's say that by some miracle you are right. Thanos said that Thor attacking was Loki's responsibility so Ultron attacking is his. Not to mention he is confirmed responsible for the attack on Odin and artifacts. You want to just leave him for 5 years. You do realize that we have to clean this up and won't be able to prepare the best for war. This puts Thanos at equal footing where he has to clean up too.

Edit: @Red Bovine did you miss the part of the plan with the scrying? Also Thanos also didn't know the layout of the palace but somehow keep running in and out of it.

Edit2: Need I remind you we recruited this army in one turn we can do it again.

Edit3: Crippled with sanctions the reports said he is still going strong just without allies. Also just because Asgard is strong right now doesn't mean it will stay that way 5 yrs later. We just lost almost 1/4 of our army to one hero and it's copies. I think it's best to use this army to test Thanos's defenses and get the chance to get our stuff back. We aren't going to war with this action we will still build up for an official war after this.
 
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I would heavily recommend changing some aspects of your plan.
And don't put enchantments on Thor. They could tip off his flow of balance during the battle.


The Burning Galaxy is an empty wasteland... but sure.
How would some random aliens attacking some ships, will let Surtur know that the Eternal Flames were stolen?
Yes, Morpheus might be attacking without Thanos's knowledge. Use the last line of my plan and add it to your plan and also the Osmond, Elym... action. I am still wary of him having the Mind Stone on him. Also edit the joining Thor in the fight, in a way similar to mine. I don't want Morepheus to Mind Control Thor.
Don't call all the Chitauri here, only bring back the 1/5th/
Well we are literally using the same forces on Muselheim as our hired army and with some people also suggesting that we also use said forces to attack Titan seems like it wouldn't take much for Surtur to notice that something is seriously up what with Asgard for some reason deciding to have mercs under them to attack every single ship coming to his planet and those same forces attacking Titan at the same time would probably leave him to coming to certain conclusions. It would especially be bad if Thanos noticed as well and/or reached out to Surtur for an alliance with him and Laufey since they both have grievances against Asgard.

Also how is this?:
[] Another way
-[] No
-[] Cancel the plans for the army near Muspelheim to attack all ships near it and to move back to Asgard
-[] Morpheus's body was re-engineered and he apparently has body jumping capabilities.
--[] Have Osmond, Elym and Ylva locate if Morpheus is in Asgard's system and purge it/him.
-[] Join Thor in the fight (Loki is down to 23 Martial)
-[] Call 1/5 pf the Chitarui here
-[] After the fight, use the Dyson Sphere and the Neutron Star with Etri to reduce everything that Morpheus came with to ashes. (I don't want this mothertrucker to have any backups left.)
This good?
@Sanas22 what do you want me to change? I already changed the Thor enchant option.

@Red Bovine Let's say that by some miracle you are right. Thanos said that Thor attacking was Loki's responsibility so Ultron attacking is his. Not to mention he is confirmed responsible for the attack on Odin and artifacts. You want to just leave him for 5 years. You do realize that we have to clean this up and won't be able to prepare the best for war. This puts Thanos at equal footing where he has to clean up too.

Edit: @Red Bovine did you miss the part of the plan with the scrying? Also Thanos also didn't know the layout of the palace but somehow keep running in and out of it.

Edit2: Need I remind you we recruited this army in one turn we can do it again.

Edit3: Crippled with sanctions the reports said he is still going strong just without allies. Also just because Asgard is strong right now doesn't mean it will stay that way 5 yrs later. We just lost almost 1/4 of our army to one hero and it's copies. I think it's best to use this army to test Thanos's defenses and get the chance to get our stuff back. We aren't going to war with this action we will still build up for an official war after this.
Again, I don't suggest 'just leaving him' but building up our own forces. And no, pretty sure that we could definitely prepare for war and that 'clean up' may not take much considering that we do have 22 actions as King. Also you are making quite a bit of assumptions on things going perfectly well as you assume.

For the Thanos thing, should point out that Thanos is literally one of the top most powerful beings in the universe and not much can really stop him so not a fair comparison. Especially since he likely beefed up defenses after Thor's rampage. Even with Scrying we aren't sure how well we would do since they likely would still need time to gather info on what they are scrying and we aren't sure how well that would go. Even then scrying may not help much if the forces we send our insufficient to deal with Titan's defenses.

And starting shit with Titan before we are ready for war still seems like a pretty horrible idea. Especially if Thanos tries to reach out to Asgards enemies if we officially go to war with him.
 
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