Okay, so given that, what do you think of []How could we not?, though?
Hm. I guess it degenerates into the same basic thesis as "This is who we are". Both statements take possession of the issue as a statement of Human 2.1 values, rather than claiming it as some sort of self-evident truth that only Humans would know (implying that we haven't even considered not doing it), which I think is an important distinction to make.

I still like my statement better, because it's a strong declaration rather than a rhetorical question, but I'll vote for both:

[x] This is who I am, who we are.
[x] How could we not?
 
@Snowfire , I know we kind of had our chance to ask questions, but what do we know about the Neras IC, and if we know about them IC, can we find out if the Uninvolved know more?

Humanity is aware of them in general terms due to the Contact Fleet. You know that they're intensely curious, a contemporary to the Shiplords that have hung around since then, and (thanks to some Insight work) that they've occasionally traded high level Secret-based tech to very young races in exchange for essentially nothing.

Not all of these races end up surviving the consequences of having this tech, but not all of them don't, either. And you've found with some interest that even when a gift from the Emergence causes massive local destabilisation, the Shiplords have never been moved against the Neras for it. Their relationship with the Shiplords is suspected to make the 'It's Complicated' status feel inadequate as a descriptor.

They're highly advanced, ancient in a way only the Shiplords can match, benevolently (as far as you've seen) curious, and the Starhomes are home to at least 90% of the Uninvolved Remnants.
 
I know this is off topic, but what books are popular in this time? Is Discworld popular and is Dr. Suesse (hope I spelled it right) still loved? What generas are liked the most?
 
I know this is off topic, but what books are popular in this time? Is Discworld popular and is Dr. Suesse (hope I spelled it right) still loved? What generas are liked the most?

Geez that's...a question. I'm not really confident in my ability to fully answer this, but I can do my best! The modern classics have remained largely in fashion, although pre-Sorrows Science Fiction took something off of a tumble off a cliff in the years of recovery. Pratchett, Tolkein, and others whose works lie outside of those sort of things? Yeah, they're still there. The 'old classics' were pretty foundational to the construction of post-Sorrows literature as an art form, as most writers (most any skilled roles, really) died during the Sorrows or had to bury their passions for long enough to keep humanity alive. So when kids started looking, they looked up what had been popular, then branched out from there. Some works didn't really hold on - Star Wars was actually one of these, sadly, as the variant of Science Fiction involved touched too close to home. A New Hope set off a lot of trauma. The series has some cult following (not actually a cult) but it's far less sweeping.

Humanity's understanding of the soul played a big part in the popularity of fantasy works, mainly because humanity accepted that large segments of the genre weren't quite so fantastical anymore, just taking place in different realities. Discworld certainly has a following, as does LotR, I could probably point to a dozen more if I had time to really think about it. Pre-Sorrows romance as a genre died due to the changes in how humanity 2.0 sees those things. Mystery and detective stories remained, but are in a way almost more fantastical than Fantasy, due to how the world of Practice War as it really started to produce literature again had changed so enormously. The idea of actually truly wanting to kill another human, or cause harm in that fashion, was essentially eliminated from humanity's psyche by the Elder First. Un-Othering, as @Shwaggy put it, forgives a multitude of sins.

Military fiction...pass, I'm not really sure. It exists, but I don't know how popular it is. Tragedy? Has had a recovery in the last few decades as humanity got far enough away from the Sorrows. Comedy is certainly present, but in a very different way to what we'd see it as, I think. Literary work is far more empathic and wholesome just in general.

In terms of favourite genres? Fantasy is definitely up there, although the definition of that genre has shifted - as fantasy technically now covers murder-mysteries. Sci-fi has had a recovery of sorts, but it's much more meshed with fantasy than in our literature. Baseline dramas are still big, but they're very different, in this way following a quasi-Oriental model where a lot of the stories don't really have defined conflicts or even a concrete 'the end' point. And I know I'm only surface-skimming here.

The issue in giving you a proper answer here is channelling the culture of the very different world into a literary style that was formed from an amalgam of what appealed to humanity after the Sorrows happened. And that's pretty difficult. I can do art as a field, kinda, but breaking it down further is hard. I hope this is at least something worth reading, though! Gonna do a vote tally as well, being delayed on closing the vote due to schoolwork. Grr exams.
Adhoc vote count started by Snowfire on Dec 9, 2019 at 2:18 PM, finished with 49 posts and 28 votes.
 
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Geez that's...a question. I'm not really confident in my ability to fully answer this, but I can do my best! The modern classics have remained largely in fashion, although pre-Sorrows Science Fiction took something off of a tumble off a cliff in the years of recovery. Pratchett, Tolkein, and others whose works lie outside of those sort of things? Yeah, they're still there. The 'old classics' were pretty foundational to the construction of post-Sorrows literature as an art form, as most writers (most any skilled roles, really) died during the Sorrows or had to bury their passions for long enough to keep humanity alive. So when kids started looking, they looked up what had been popular, then branched out from there. Some works didn't really hold on - Star Wars was actually one of these, sadly, as the variant of Science Fiction involved touched too close to home. A New Hope set off a lot of trauma. The series has some cult following (not actually a cult) but it's far less sweeping.

Humanity's understanding of the soul played a big part in the popularity of fantasy works, mainly because humanity accepted that large segments of the genre weren't quite so fantastical anymore, just taking place in different realities. Discworld certainly has a following, as does LotR, I could probably point to a dozen more if I had time to really think about it. Pre-Sorrows romance as a genre died due to the changes in how humanity 2.0 sees those things. Mystery and detective stories remained, but are in a way almost more fantastical than Fantasy, due to how the world of Practice War as it really started to produce literature again had changed so enormously. The idea of actually truly wanting to kill another human, or cause harm in that fashion, was essentially eliminated from humanity's psyche by the Elder First. Un-Othering, as @Shwaggy put it, forgives a multitude of sins.

Military fiction...pass. Tragedy? Has had a recovery in the last few decades as humanity got far enough away from the Sorrows. Comedy is certainly present, but in a very different way to what we'd see it as, I think. In general, a lot of work is far more empathic and wholesome.

In terms of favourite genres? Fantasy is definitely up there, although the definition of that genre has shifted - as fantasy technically now covers murder-mysteries. Sci-fi has had a recovery of sorts, but it's much more meshed with fantasy than in our literature. Baseline dramas are still big, but they're very different, in this way following a quasi-Oriental model where a lot of the stories don't really have defined conflicts or even a concrete 'the end' point. And I know I'm only surface-skimming here.

The issue in giving you a proper answer here is channelling the culture of the very different world into a literary style that was formed from an amalgam of what appealed to humanity after the Sorrows happened. And that's pretty difficult. I can do art as a field, kinda, but breaking it down further is hard. I hope this is at least something worth reading, though! Gonna do a vote tally as well, being delayed on closing the vote due to schoolwork. Grr exams.
I'm guessing that Horror, especially Cosmic Horror, didn't really recover its popularity either?
 
I'm guessing that Horror, especially Cosmic Horror, didn't really recover its popularity either?

Horror isn't in as bad a place as you might think, though this is definition based. It takes up a slot in Fantasy to a degree, but only so long as it's low level. Murder mysteries arguably have a side of Horror rating to them now, as do what we'd consider 'modern' Romance novels.

As for Cosmic Horror? There's a sub-genre of wish fulfilment fantasy specifically dedicated to curbstomps of it. It's most of why the material is read anymore.
 
Huh, I did say that. I honestly had to go back and search the last thread to make sure this wasn't a mis-attribution, because I could not remember using that term.

It was a very good way of putting it, to be honest. it cuts to the heart of the matter in a way that most people can process pretty easily, and that's a good thing.

Do people really just not write about the war they've been in for decades, or is it just that those writings look more like Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha than Tom Clancy's Splinter Recon Six and so are attributed to a different genre?

That was me dodging the subject :V
 
Geez that's...a question. I'm not really confident in my ability to fully answer this, but I can do my best! The modern classics have remained largely in fashion, although pre-Sorrows Science Fiction took something off of a tumble off a cliff in the years of recovery. Pratchett, Tolkein, and others whose works lie outside of those sort of things? Yeah, they're still there. The 'old classics' were pretty foundational to the construction of post-Sorrows literature as an art form, as most writers (most any skilled roles, really) died during the Sorrows or had to bury their passions for long enough to keep humanity alive. So when kids started looking, they looked up what had been popular, then branched out from there. Some works didn't really hold on - Star Wars was actually one of these, sadly, as the variant of Science Fiction involved touched too close to home. A New Hope set off a lot of trauma. The series has some cult following (not actually a cult) but it's far less sweeping.

Humanity's understanding of the soul played a big part in the popularity of fantasy works, mainly because humanity accepted that large segments of the genre weren't quite so fantastical anymore, just taking place in different realities. Discworld certainly has a following, as does LotR, I could probably point to a dozen more if I had time to really think about it. Pre-Sorrows romance as a genre died due to the changes in how humanity 2.0 sees those things. Mystery and detective stories remained, but are in a way almost more fantastical than Fantasy, due to how the world of Practice War as it really started to produce literature again had changed so enormously. The idea of actually truly wanting to kill another human, or cause harm in that fashion, was essentially eliminated from humanity's psyche by the Elder First. Un-Othering, as @Shwaggy put it, forgives a multitude of sins.

Military fiction...pass. Tragedy? Has had a recovery in the last few decades as humanity got far enough away from the Sorrows. Comedy is certainly present, but in a very different way to what we'd see it as, I think. Literary work is far more empathic and wholesome just in general.

In terms of favourite genres? Fantasy is definitely up there, although the definition of that genre has shifted - as fantasy technically now covers murder-mysteries. Sci-fi has had a recovery of sorts, but it's much more meshed with fantasy than in our literature. Baseline dramas are still big, but they're very different, in this way following a quasi-Oriental model where a lot of the stories don't really have defined conflicts or even a concrete 'the end' point. And I know I'm only surface-skimming here.
Hey, thanks for the answer (God help me, my spelling is terrible). The reason I asked is because I love history, particularly how people and society change over the years. That and random history facts, but I'm getting off topic.

This quest hooked me because of that reason, so sorry if my questions cause trouble.

Anyway speaking (HA!) of change, how does the fact that the meaning of words change with time (for example fabulous was a word that originally described things that were Fable-like) affect Speaking? In particular doom (original meaning was something along the lines of fate) is one I'm curious about.
 
Anyway speaking (HA!) of change, how does the fact that the meaning of words change with time (for example fabulous was a word that originally described things that were Fable-like) affect Speaking? In particular doom (original meaning was something along the lines of fate) is one I'm curious about.
As far as I understood it, Speaking uses the understanding and intent of the speaker at the moment of speaking. Unfortunately, the whole of the Speaker (ie, including the subconscious parts), which makes Speaking the art of applied psychology put into a conceptual frame.
 
[X] None deserve to be forgotten.

This looks good.

Very interesting perspective on literature @Snowfire. Fascinating that murder mysteries caught on as fantasy, but military fiction did not. One would think that wanting to kill another person for a greater cause would be more comprehensible than the sort of fundamentally selfish motivations that usually lead to murder. Thinking about it isn't something like LOTR military fiction on at least some level? Yes the war is not the core of the story, but it is the major backdrop.
 
Very interesting perspective on literature @Snowfire. Fascinating that murder mysteries caught on as fantasy, but military fiction did not. One would think that wanting to kill another person for a greater cause would be more comprehensible than the sort of fundamentally selfish motivations that usually lead to murder. Thinking about it isn't something like LOTR military fiction on at least some level? Yes the war is not the core of the story, but it is the major backdrop.

Please note that I'm deliberately avoiding the military fiction question, mostly because I don't have a good grasp on it. It still exists, yes, but I think what we'd call military fiction these days is something of a niche field. The changes in how genres are defined doesn't really help me here, either, as in the war that humanity is facing, well...no one's really a civilian. And it's hard to make military fiction fantasy when you are building up towards an all-out war for the fate of your species.
 
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Please note that I'm deliberately avoiding the military fiction question, mostly because I don't have a good grasp on it. It still exists, yes, but I think what we'd call military fiction these days is something of a niche field. The changes in how genres are defined doesn't really help me here, either, as in the war that humanity is facing, well...no one's really a civilian.

Ah I see, I thought you meant that it was not popular.

For what it's worth I have always seen military fiction as a sub-genre of historical or alt-historical fiction only where people are to some significant degree trying to kill each other.
 
Ah I see, I thought you meant that it was not popular.

For what it's worth I have always seen military fiction as a sub-genre of historical or alt-historical fiction only where people are to some significant degree trying to kill each other.

Ah, I'll make that clearer. I feel like it's somewhat harder to indulge in that sort of thing given the scenario I've exhibited, and also the way in which humanity empathises with itself. With Othering all but entirely reduced, it's very difficult for humanity to look at battles and wars as anything less than tragedies, and this is coming through a mindset that knows that war against a strictly superior power is inevitable. Hmm. Maybe that's it? Military Fiction could be a general subset of tragedy. Feels right, but I'll keep thinking about it.
 
Do people really just not write about the war they've been in for decades, or is it just that those writings look more like Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha than Tom Clancy's Splinter Recon Six and so are attributed to a different genre?
There is a community dedicated to deep-faking Amanda's face onto Nanoha's body (and Mary onto Fate, etc). :V

There is another splinter community of LiFE that has completely missed where the faked animations are coming from, and is seeking to have Masaki Tsuzuki canonized as a prophet. :D
 
There is a community dedicated to deep-faking Amanda's face onto Nanoha's body (and Mary onto Fate, etc). :V

There is another splinter community of LiFE that has completely missed where the faked animations are coming from, and is seeking to have Masaki Tsuzuki canonized as a prophet. :D

*enraged hissing sounds*

Leaving the joke a moment, I think the Answer 1 segment from Practice War bears reading for those who have not seen Amanda's opinion on this and other, similar, comparison.
 
Humanity is aware of them in general terms due to the Contact Fleet. You know that they're intensely curious, a contemporary to the Shiplords that have hung around since then, and (thanks to some Insight work) that they've occasionally traded high level Secret-based tech to very young races in exchange for essentially nothing.

Not all of these races end up surviving the consequences of having this tech, but not all of them don't, either. And you've found with some interest that even when a gift from the Emergence causes massive local destabilisation, the Shiplords have never been moved against the Neras for it. Their relationship with the Shiplords is suspected to make the 'It's Complicated' status feel inadequate as a descriptor.

They're highly advanced, ancient in a way only the Shiplords can match, benevolently (as far as you've seen) curious, and the Starhomes are home to at least 90% of the Uninvolved Remnants.
So does that represent, broadly speaking, what the Uninvolved know about them? Or just what the Contact Fleet know about them?
 
*enraged hissing sounds*
"That's our GM!"
Laugh track plays with enough force to crack the Earth.
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Fantasy is definitely up there, although the definition of that genre has shifted - as fantasy technically now covers murder-mysteries.
So would that make the Watch sub series (think cop shows, but the Cowboy Cop and the Chief are one character (Sam Vimes)) of Discworld one of the most fantastic (the original meaning of the word described things that were like a fantasy) series out there?
 
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...somehow I missed an update. If there wasn't a tally in Snowfires post I wouldn't even know until the next one.

[X] It's the right thing to do.
[X] How could we not?

Some do deserve to be forgotten. Not saying that the Uninvolved are one of them, but still.

I would prefer the "It's the right thing to do." option, as the other one does not answer why we do this, which is what was asked, only that we can hardly conceive not doing so. But why can we hardly conceive of not doing so?

My preferred option is not gonna win though looks like, so I am approval voting for the one that has a chance of winning too.
 
Thinking about it, if it was me answering:

[] Because that information is extremely valuable, even if it was of no use against the Shiplords.
 
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