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I've gone back and forth on changing my vote, but I am sticking with -Rosen. They are TurtleDucks both posted in a fairly odd manner, but Rosen's makes some kind of sense from a scum perspective. TD's just doesn't seem especially logical for any role that seems likely to be in play.
 
To be clear on the reasons for my evenstar lynch, @InterstellarHobo brought up something I hadn't really thought about.
InterstellarHobo said:
Synopsis:
Evenstar has so far voted to lynch me, TurtleDucks, and then 1KBestK.
No reasons provided.
When asked for reasons, dodged the questions.
So, voting for lynches without any reasoning seems extremely scum beneficial, but I don't think that's what's happening here? I'm pretty sure these are transparent (and therefore worthless) attempts to pressure people?
I dunno, I don't actually have a read here other than it's annoying and pointless.
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They've given no reasons for their lynch votes. They've not followed up. They have a fair number of posts, but there's a surprising lack of actual content in them. The big thing was them claiming to be in a neighborhood, and that's not even really anything in and of itself. They've been giving short, coy responces and answering questions, talking about mafia, but not really doing anything.
 
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Not wanting to answer a question that doesn't really have that much to do with the game isn't alignment-indicative.

Pushing someone else's posts while I'm the top lynch candidate is not "deflecting the lynch," it's playing the game the way it's supposed to be played.

Can't win with someone on my ass for apparently not scumhunting but then someone else is on my ass for scumhunting.
 
Also on another note where did Nanimani disappear to, I'd like to see what they have to say about my response to them
 
[X] Lynch Turtleducks

So I'm still not sure on this, but right now, while I don't have super strong feelings on anyone Turtleducks strikes me as the most sus, or at least the most blatently evasive and generally refusal to contribute (in comparison to inability, which I'm betting I'm not the only person whom feels that at times), beyond how their post back here has a super bad smell to it to me, and while I don't really have town inclinations at Rosen right now, I also don't have scum type feelings at Rosen so I'm not feeling that wagon.
 
Sorry all, I really meant to be doing more today but I've kinda been going in and out of sleep. I'll do a quick response to new stuff and then give some quick views on who is trustable.

InterstellarHobo said:
Nictis no longer suspects -Rosen.
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Err, no. Sorry, I still pretty heavily believe that Rosen is scum, I'm just also trying to work on a bad habit of getting entirely focused on one thing or one suspect and missing other details. You can note that I'm still voting Rosen.
InterstellarHobo said:
Evenstar is in a neighborhood, apparently with Nictis. This neighborhood maybe has others, maybe has strange properties, and maybe is actually just scumchat.
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Not quite, sorry.
InterstellarHobo said:
For now, I'm going to
[X] NULL
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I'd recommend keeping your null vote outside of spoilers, not sure if the tally program would pick it up like that.
-Rosen said:
Not wanting to answer a question that doesn't really have that much to do with the game isn't alignment-indicative.

Pushing someone else's posts while I'm the top lynch candidate is not "deflecting the lynch," it's playing the game the way it's supposed to be played.

Can't win with someone on my ass for apparently not scumhunting but then someone else is on my ass for scumhunting.
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But... You haven't been Scumhunting. That's kinda been the issue. Your attempt at scumhunting, or 'Setting up the base for a team read' was something that would just create a worthless amount of noise and according to you would actually be pretty much useless because you wouldn't expect anyone to take it seriously, and you ignored the responses that did. The closest thing you've got to scum hunting other than attempting to discredit the votes against you, is your light push on Nani, which you never really take anywhere? (Preview Edit: Sorry, I was misremembering. That was also trying to discredit a vote against you)

Here you're acting like the person that you already called out as doing scummy stuff saying that was what made them suspect you, is someone being on you for scumhunting. Ignoring Hobo's acknowledgment that it was NAI. What?

This just feels like you already know who is Town, and I know you don't know what I know.

And... That's it? I could've sworn there would have been more there to respond to... Ah well, I'll make a quick list on trustable people and maybe give short blurbs on why.
 
Nictis said:
Sorry all, I really meant to be doing more today but I've kinda been going in and out of sleep. I'll do a quick response to new stuff and then give some quick views on who is trustable.


Err, no. Sorry, I still pretty heavily believe that Rosen is scum, I'm just also trying to work on a bad habit of getting entirely focused on one thing or one suspect and missing other details. You can note that I'm still voting Rosen.

Not quite, sorry.

I'd recommend keeping your null vote outside of spoilers, not sure if the tally program would pick it up like that.

But... You haven't been Scumhunting. That's kinda been the issue. Your attempt at scumhunting, or 'Setting up the base for a team read' was something that would just create a worthless amount of noise and according to you would actually be pretty much useless because you wouldn't expect anyone to take it seriously, and you ignored the responses that did. The closest thing you've got to scum hunting other than attempting to discredit the votes against you, is your light push on Nani, which you never really take anywhere? (Preview Edit: Sorry, I was misremembering. That was also trying to discredit a vote against you)

Here you're acting like the person that you already called out as doing scummy stuff saying that was what made them suspect you, is someone being on you for scumhunting. Ignoring Hobo's acknowledgment that it was NAI. What?

This just feels like you already know who is Town, and I know you don't know what I know.

And... That's it? I could've sworn there would have been more there to respond to... Ah well, I'll make a quick list on trustable people and maybe give short blurbs on why.
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Addition: I'm apparently not allowed to push people who are voting me. Got it ._.

May as well not even play at this rate
 
-Rosen said:
Addition: I'm apparently not allowed to push people who are voting me. Got it ._.

May as well not even play at this rate
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You know that's not what I'm talking about. You call his post wolfish, drop a vote, and then say that you "Can't win" with some people calling you out for not scum hunting and some people calling you out for scum hunting. That feels like you already know he isn't scum. You push against Nani because they include 'reasons' as a small part on why they're lynching you, but completely ignore that I acknowledge that I also have 'reasons' for doing so as well. You don't do much with the incredible amount of hinting that I know more than others, despite it being a completely fair thing for you to try to push on. It would have been wrong and helped you get more votes, but you could have!
1KBestK said:
Seriously, nictis, the InterstellarHobo lynch was a legit point.
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Shh, I'm posting.

... Shit, I think I lost my train of thought.
 
Nictis said:
You know that's not what I'm talking about. You call his post wolfish, drop a vote, and then say that you "Can't win" with some people calling you out for not scum hunting and some people calling you out for scum hunting. That feels like you already know he isn't scum. You push against Nani because they include 'reasons' as a small part on why they're lynching you, but completely ignore that I acknowledge that I also have 'reasons' for doing so as well. You don't do much with the incredible amount of hinting that I know more than others, despite it being a completely fair thing for you to try to push on. It would have been wrong and helped you get more votes, but you could have!
Shh, I'm posting.

... Shit, I think I lost my train of thought.
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Difference between you and Nani being that you actually have a public progression on your read of me, versus Nani who's made like two posts on the matter (correct me if I'm wrong, but it DEFINITELY is not enough to be called substantial), one being the vote post. I have no reason to push your "reasons" because you actually have something substantial in the conversation.
 
Let me clarify. This:
-Rosen said:
Not wanting to answer a question that doesn't really have that much to do with the game isn't alignment-indicative.

Pushing someone else's posts while I'm the top lynch candidate is not "deflecting the lynch," it's playing the game the way it's supposed to be played.

Can't win with someone on my ass for apparently not scumhunting but then someone else is on my ass for scumhunting.
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Does not feel like someone trying to lynch scum. Particularly since it's responding to someone who already acknowledged what is being said.
 
Nictis said:
You know that's not what I'm talking about. You call his post wolfish, drop a vote, and then say that you "Can't win" with some people calling you out for not scum hunting and some people calling you out for scum hunting. That feels like you already know he isn't scum. You push against Nani because they include 'reasons' as a small part on why they're lynching you, but completely ignore that I acknowledge that I also have 'reasons' for doing so as well. You don't do much with the incredible amount of hinting that I know more than others, despite it being a completely fair thing for you to try to push on. It would have been wrong and helped you get more votes, but you could have!
Shh, I'm posting.

... Shit, I think I lost my train of thought.
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You need to dial it back. You didn't say any of what you just posted up there. How was anyone supposed to know that's what you meant by your one-line dismissal? It's a valid point to make but you jsut didn't make it.
 
-Rosen said:
Difference between you and Nani being that you actually have a public progression on your read of me, versus Nani who's made like two posts on the matter (correct me if I'm wrong, but it DEFINITELY is not enough to be called substantial), one being the vote post. I have no reason to push your "reasons" because you actually have something substantial in the conversation.
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... Okay, yeah. Fair.

I'm gonna go take a look at Nani real quick.
 
Nictis said:
Let me clarify. This:

Does not feel like someone trying to lynch scum. Particularly since it's responding to someone who already acknowledged what is being said.
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What the fuck else am I supposed to do when people keep piling up shitty reasons to lynch me?

This is literally just a "we don't care what Rosen says he needs to die" situation for me and I'm trying to pry my way out of that. How is that much not obvious at this point?
 
1KBestK said:
You need to dial it back. You didn't say any of what you just posted up there. How was anyone supposed to know that's what you meant by your one-line dismissal? It's a valid point to make but you jsut didn't make it.
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'one-line dismissal'
Nictis said:
But... You haven't been Scumhunting. That's kinda been the issue. Your attempt at scumhunting, or 'Setting up the base for a team read' was something that would just create a worthless amount of noise and according to you would actually be pretty much useless because you wouldn't expect anyone to take it seriously, and you ignored the responses that did. The closest thing you've got to scum hunting other than attempting to discredit the votes against you, is your light push on Nani, which you never really take anywhere? (Preview Edit: Sorry, I was misremembering. That was also trying to discredit a vote against you)

Here you're acting like the person that you already called out as doing scummy stuff saying that was what made them suspect you, is someone being on you for scumhunting. Ignoring Hobo's acknowledgment that it was NAI. What?

This just feels like you already know who is Town, and I know you don't know what I know.
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-Rosen said:
What the fuck else am I supposed to do when people keep piling up shitty reasons to lynch me?

This is literally just a "we don't care what Rosen says he needs to die" situation for me and I'm trying to pry my way out of that. How is that much not obvious at this point?
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InterstellarHobo said:
Ok so this (and the subsequent lynch vote on me) is the only thing that made me seriously suspect -Rosen, as it read like an attempt to deflect the lynch.
But, apparently, he's right that this is bad strategy, so... probably not alignment indicative.
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InterstellarHobo said:
For now, I'm going to
[X] NULL
since I don't think there's strong evidence -Rosen is scum.
Right now I'm suspicious of lynching TD since I suspect that's what he wants?
The only other lynch targets are the silent bystanders, which is what I'll default to if I don't make up my mind elsewhere.
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And I just realized that my hidden "Reasons" behind lynching Rosen might not actually be relevant.

... Fuck, time to review.

[x] Null

Probably gonna go back to it, but I need to figure out how much that was coloring my perception.
 
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