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A Game of Crowns (Mafia)
- Thread starter LostDeviljho
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- Mafia
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Sorry if you're actually getting upset, that isn't my intention. This is a game and I'd hope it's fun for you.
I read your explanation of the two different kinds of reads. I just don't find it convincing. You came up with a bad plan for town, which isn't all that significant alone. But your responses to being questioned about it weren't consistent, and you've been excessively evasive in multiple interactions. And you've posted a lot without significant scum hunting beyond that dubious plan.
You can insist there's no good grounds for a scum read, but do far your approach has gotten you the in lead for lynching in a few hours.
Rather than rail against people's reads, you'd be better served to do something to act like town.
Nictis
Best Sidekick
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Town of Salem role that can adopt the role and win condition of someone who has died.
InterstellarHobo
Cosmic Vagrant
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Ok. Hm. That makes sense re:infolynching.
I might have to try using social deduction in this game of social deduction.
I might have to try using social deduction in this game of social deduction.
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Good luck. Hope you're better at it than I am
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While this is true, being up for lynch tends to take up your attention and -Rosen did do something wrt InterstellarHobo so I think you're being too dismissive here. Even if we ignore everything earlier in the Day just that one thing already puts -Rosen above a bunch of other people in terms of scum hunting after all.
And now I should go reread -Rosen explanations for the apparent contradictions because I didn't actually properly consider them the first time around.
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
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*Notes Absum's reply*
Gonna get to that, honestly liking it. My scumread for absum is def dropping. I still believe TD is a good lynch even if nani says I'm biting a fluffy cloud...GIVE ME THE SPRINKLES...right anyway I also believe Rosen lynch really isn't good, I'm just not seeing the reasons for it especially since it was started on meta-data of previous play but we honestly haven't seen enough of -Rosen's play to really justify. There's a bit I can...maybe agree with, but honestly it's...minor? Idk here. I'm still looking at TD here but I think I've let myself get to narrowed. Day ends tomorrow I think so I have less than 24 hours to look things through...urg...
I wouldn't say they've been evasive and the last point is rather abrasive. It's day 1, we have no flip, mechanical or otherwise major information to work of, meaning we either have to generate it, strawpull it, or run off gut reads at worst. Frankly telling someone "Act Town" instead of defending themselves when there really isn't a lot to push towards isn't going to be recieved well by the person your telling that on principle.
Gonna get to that, honestly liking it. My scumread for absum is def dropping. I still believe TD is a good lynch even if nani says I'm biting a fluffy cloud...GIVE ME THE SPRINKLES...right anyway I also believe Rosen lynch really isn't good, I'm just not seeing the reasons for it especially since it was started on meta-data of previous play but we honestly haven't seen enough of -Rosen's play to really justify. There's a bit I can...maybe agree with, but honestly it's...minor? Idk here. I'm still looking at TD here but I think I've let myself get to narrowed. Day ends tomorrow I think so I have less than 24 hours to look things through...urg...
I wouldn't say they've been evasive and the last point is rather abrasive. It's day 1, we have no flip, mechanical or otherwise major information to work of, meaning we either have to generate it, strawpull it, or run off gut reads at worst. Frankly telling someone "Act Town" instead of defending themselves when there really isn't a lot to push towards isn't going to be recieved well by the person your telling that on principle.
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Sorry. I didn't mean it to be insulting or abrasive. I am on my phone which leads to me being shorter than I should.
I didn't mean act town like "git gud". I meant if they had something they could do to help town that would go a lot further to changing my mind about my vote to lunch than arguing the read is wrong.
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So, after reading through both their postings and looking at Cyri's reasoning, I'm mostly in agreeance that they're both suspicious, and that TD is the more suspicious one of the two. Absum's even admitted it looks bad. At this point, I'm more leaning more towards 'looks bad' on Absum's end, although my suspicion on TD has regrown from last night's despondence. I don't like how evasive they've continued to be, and I don't like them giving themselves an excuse to stall for time like they did - people are saying that's evidence of Absum being their scummate, but I actually disagree. I feel like if TD is actually scum, they wouldn't so blatantly make an excuse like that unless they want us to be more suspicious of Absum. In my head, I see a possible scenario: TD's a new player and is scum. They take some heat, Absum (who isn't on their team) defends them. They then (either of their own volition or, more likely, at the suggestion of an experienced scummate) use this as an opportunity to cast suspicion on Absum in the event they go down. However, this is just speculation, and it's not much to go off of. I've also thought Absum's recent posting has been pretty towny. So I still view the two as suspicious, just TD more so than Absum, and I don't think we can safely lynch one if the other flips scum. I struggle with reading Absum though (I usually read them as town) so once again trying to make clear my biases here. Pinging @Nictis because he wanted my thoughts and @TurtleDucks because I'd like to hear from them more before the end of the day.
[x] Lynch TurtleDucks
It's not a great lynch, but it's day one and I'm no longer considering a -Rosen lynch. I'm getting a decent town read off of them. I don't think the arguments presented are really that great, TBH. I can see why people would do this as a D1 lynch, but honestly at this point I'm not going to vote for someone who I don't think is scum. They're probably going to die regardless, as their wagon is indeed the largest atm, but I'm gonna say that I think it will end badly for town.
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TurtleDucks is still number 2 on my list of likely scum. My major reason for prioritizing Rosen is just that I can contextualize what they are doing as clever scum play, but I can't figure out TD at all.
DimensionalGuy
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Nah, I don't really have anything important I've noticed. I can give some thoughts about current matters though. Just like earlier, I'm still eyeing -Rosen a little bit, not sure if that's justified, or a bad first impression staying overdue. However, I'm still not really comfortable voting for them.
Now, regarding Cyricubed's post: I'm really not feeling Absum as scum, and I'm willing to gloss over TurtleDucks posts as, as they called it, excessive memery for now. I mean, if it weren't day 1 and a new guy, then I'd probably be voting for TurtleDuck at the moment, but those factors currently prevent me from doing so.
Also, just to mention it, but I've been rather tired today so I've been skimming through most of the longer posts. It's not only possible, but likely that I missed som good arguments that would've swayed me one way or another. I'd just like to apologize for that, just in case.
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Happerry
Bat out of Hell
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Getting late in the day... I don't feel the Rosen vote very strongly, but then as usual at this point I'm mainly feeling confused. Hmm. It's bad to vote just to vote, but I don't have a strong leaning on anyone in specific (and yesterday wasn't fun in ways that made it hard to keep up with the thread, which didn't help.)
Think I'm going to try to look at Turtleduck's list of posts and see if I can get a more consistent feeling off of them.
Think I'm going to try to look at Turtleduck's list of posts and see if I can get a more consistent feeling off of them.
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- They/Them
Ah before I forget
[X] Null
I'm gonna sleep soon but I'll still be around to check posts tomorrow, though I won't have time to make big posts until an hour before end or so and I'll need some of that time to do a reads post preferably.
Like a bunch of people I'm not super enamoured with the main lynches but think they're ok for D1. I do think I failed a bit wrt scum hunting, should have been a bit more active/pointed stuff out and there might have been more options. Though that's nothing new for me I guess and finding the balance on when the comment and when to hold back is a whole thing.
[X] Null
I'm gonna sleep soon but I'll still be around to check posts tomorrow, though I won't have time to make big posts until an hour before end or so and I'll need some of that time to do a reads post preferably.
Like a bunch of people I'm not super enamoured with the main lynches but think they're ok for D1. I do think I failed a bit wrt scum hunting, should have been a bit more active/pointed stuff out and there might have been more options. Though that's nothing new for me I guess and finding the balance on when the comment and when to hold back is a whole thing.
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I guess with the set start time, the game is going to be basically shutdown for town until next Sunday, right? We can't discuss the game outside the thread and night actions won't be visible, so we just have to wait and see what the results are next week?
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It may slow down the game a bit, but it also makes Mafia more manageable on people with schedules (like myself) so I am entirely in favor of the adoption of this new system.
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Oh yeah, not a complaint. Mostly just trying to make sure I wasn't overlooking something townies are expected to do over night. I don't want to mess up my first play through more than I can help.
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If you have the time, you could always try to use the stillness to read back on posts and get an argument together for what you see, though your argument may change depending on the night's results.
If you do prepare an argument, watch yourself so you don't accidentally post it in the middle of the Night Phase. In between the integrity of the "No Night Posting" rule and the "No deleting posts" rule, the "No deleting posts" rule is supreme so anything you say will have to be kept out there.
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Thanks for the advice.
I reflexively edit posts, (sometimes like 3 or 4 times in a couple minutes). So I stuck a post it to my screen to remind me not to.
InterstellarHobo
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It just occured to me Night Phase begins Thursday morning. I was going to put this off until later, but that's not an option.
Here's the list of all the posts from which I could gather something that seemed informative- a few are excluded for being part of a broad pattern, covered elsewhere. To the best of my ability I didn't consider other people's reads when doing this.
It's very very weakly suspicious.
It could be a ballsy 200 IQ fakeout, but if it is then hats off to QTesseract.
It's... I guess it's scum indicative? Slightly?
It's definitely odd behavior but... I don't see it serving any sort of purpose, so I hesitate to even call it informative.
I'm kind of reaching here.
Is this what wine tastes like?
I guess I have a deeply untrustworthy gut feeling that Happerry is town.
I gotta say though, this is some weak-ass reasoning.
This post makes something of a rescue attempt for Rosen, which tells us either 1K is scum, or 1K doesn't believe Rosen is scum.
Other than that, it's largely "Idunno" or "they should post more", both reasonable positions.
But, apparently, he's right that this is bad strategy, so... probably not alignment indicative.
[\SPOILER]
This is the more important thing, where there are enough posts with the same general goals to derive some slightly reliable information from.
For now, I'm going to
[X] NULL
since I don't think there's strong evidence -Rosen is scum.
Right now I'm suspicious of lynching TD since I suspect that's what he wants?
The only other lynch targets are the silent bystanders, which is what I'll default to if I don't make up my mind elsewhere.
This seems like preemtively excusing odd behavior, which might indicate an intent to behave oddly.
It's very very weakly suspicious.
More of the above.
This strikes me as very strongly town indicative. That Merovin might think they're scum is unlikely to occur to scum, and scum attempting to fake this without seeing a town role risk exposing themselves.
It could be a ballsy 200 IQ fakeout, but if it is then hats off to QTesseract.
This is a total nonanswer to a question which should have an answer.
It's... I guess it's scum indicative? Slightly?
It's definitely odd behavior but... I don't see it serving any sort of purpose, so I hesitate to even call it informative.
This could be taken as scum indicative, for failing to grasp the situation with QTesseract?
I'm kind of reaching here.
This reads town to me. It'd be an odd way to fake town, which makes it more likely to be town, which makes it a better way to fake town...
Is this what wine tastes like?
I guess I have a deeply untrustworthy gut feeling that Happerry is town.
So this is the start of some real fun times, covered in the spoiler below.
I gotta say though, this is some weak-ass reasoning.
This seems to indicate that Nictis knows something?
Actual reads! The reads on Meso and me are both wrong, in that I preempted the "wagon" with a memevote and Meso actually started that wagon, but they really don't seem to be maliciously wrong.
This post makes something of a rescue attempt for Rosen, which tells us either 1K is scum, or 1K doesn't believe Rosen is scum.
Other than that, it's largely "Idunno" or "they should post more", both reasonable positions.
Ok so this (and the subsequent lynch vote on me) is the only thing that made me seriously suspect -Rosen, as it read like an attempt to deflect the lynch.
But, apparently, he's right that this is bad strategy, so... probably not alignment indicative.
[\SPOILER]
This is the more important thing, where there are enough posts with the same general goals to derive some slightly reliable information from.
Gonna comment on some broad patterns or known situations that I'm not willing to take the time to source. Call me out if I misrepresent something.
Prior to the last step in this sequence, I had the belief that Nictis had priviledged information that implicated -Rosen, or that Nictis was scum. The amount of certainty was entirely unwarranted otherwise.
I am entirely leaving this to people who have ever played a non-vanilla mafia. I don't have the tools to figure out what's happening.
So, voting for lynches without any reasoning seems extremely scum beneficial, but I don't think that's what's happening here? I'm pretty sure these are transparent (and therefore worthless) attempts to pressure people?
I dunno, I don't actually have a read here other than it's annoying and pointless.
Ok this is... I mostly try to read things and ask "under what circumstances would I act like this?"
The only answers I can come up with are "If I was suicidal, or really bad at playing scum, or really bad at playing town"
I think this is another case where being new means I don't have the background to guess what TurtleDucks' goal might be.
Synopsis:
Mesonexonian suspects -Rosen for dubious reasons.
Nictis presses -Rosen, for dubious reasons.
-Rosen defends themselves poorly, but in a way that
Nictis considers this a further reason to suspect -Rosen. Pressure intensifies.
Further debate, all of it meaningless to me. No visible transmission of information occurs. I start skimming.
Nictis becomes certain -Rosen is scum, on the basis of -Rosen's poor defence.
Nictis takes a nap.
Nictis no longer suspects -Rosen.
Mesonexonian suspects -Rosen for dubious reasons.
Nictis presses -Rosen, for dubious reasons.
-Rosen defends themselves poorly, but in a way that
Nictis considers this a further reason to suspect -Rosen. Pressure intensifies.
Further debate, all of it meaningless to me. No visible transmission of information occurs. I start skimming.
Nictis becomes certain -Rosen is scum, on the basis of -Rosen's poor defence.
Nictis takes a nap.
Nictis no longer suspects -Rosen.
Synopsis:
Evenstar is in a neighborhood, apparently with Nictis. This neighborhood maybe has others, maybe has strange properties, and maybe is actually just scumchat.
Evenstar is in a neighborhood, apparently with Nictis. This neighborhood maybe has others, maybe has strange properties, and maybe is actually just scumchat.
Synopsis:
Evenstar has so far voted to lynch me, TurtleDucks, and then 1KBestK.
No reasons provided.
When asked for reasons, dodged the questions.
Evenstar has so far voted to lynch me, TurtleDucks, and then 1KBestK.
No reasons provided.
When asked for reasons, dodged the questions.
I dunno, I don't actually have a read here other than it's annoying and pointless.
Synopsis:
We have several meme posts, all probably meaningless, followed by several not meme posts, all probably meaningless.
The not memery begins here:
Then there's "And if read by a townie, then I'm a townie. I've been very clear about being everyone's friend until proven otherwise.", which sounds like a third party claim?
Then TD claims to be Town, and also that Absum is Town, and does not give a reason.
We have several meme posts, all probably meaningless, followed by several not meme posts, all probably meaningless.
The not memery begins here:
Where TD essentially says "I wanna be lynched." It's possible TD was only trying to say "I'm not acting like mafia or town so I'm obviously a third party"
Then there's "And if read by a townie, then I'm a townie. I've been very clear about being everyone's friend until proven otherwise.", which sounds like a third party claim?
Then TD claims to be Town, and also that Absum is Town, and does not give a reason.
The only answers I can come up with are "If I was suicidal, or really bad at playing scum, or really bad at playing town"
I think this is another case where being new means I don't have the background to guess what TurtleDucks' goal might be.
For now, I'm going to
[X] NULL
since I don't think there's strong evidence -Rosen is scum.
Right now I'm suspicious of lynching TD since I suspect that's what he wants?
The only other lynch targets are the silent bystanders, which is what I'll default to if I don't make up my mind elsewhere.
InterstellarHobo
Cosmic Vagrant
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Aaah fucked up my spoilers and I can't edit aah
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- Academy City
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I appreciate the townread but you at minimum you shouldn't townread me so strongly off of just that. I was pretty sure Merovin was scum before the game started, so I'd be having at least some of those thoughts as genuine scum. I don't think it would be to the same extent, so you're not wrong about it being town play, but you shouldn't fully townlock me off it.