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Tohsaka as an Uchiha Quest (Naruto/FSN)

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@Nachtigall
As long as you keep in mind that Orochimaru is there for Karin to begin with, his entry in the Char. Sheet and his tendency to decide things on the fly, it should be fine to write an Omake in his POV.

Edit: there are few votes, so I will give you all more time anyway.
 
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The most subtle possible option is to make the biggest point-blank explosion possible, right in Orochimaru's face.
 
Patch said:
The most subtle possible option is to make the biggest point-blank explosion possible, right in Orochimaru's face.
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Asael said:
If you think we can last however long it takes Toad dude to come back, go ahead and make a vote.
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We could disguise it as trying to cover our retreat. We pretend we're staying to fight him, drop a big and especially loud explosion, and then immediately grab Karin and turn and run. A sufficient explanation is provided, and Orochimaru has no reason to suspect Jiraya is around. Layers behind layers.

In fact:
[X] Plan Subtle Explosion
-[X]Humor him and reply truthfully
-[X] Run away
--[X] Take Karin with you
--[X] While it pains you to leave Kakashi behind, staying would just force him to defend you and fleeing with him would give Orochimaru the chance to pick you off one by one. Additionally, he is your superior and he gave you an order.
-[X] Cover your retreat with the biggest and loudest explosion you think you can safely make (in terms of chakra exhaustion and drawing Orochimaru's interest). Try to alert Jiraya with it without tipping Orochimaru off.
-[X] If you can contact Shisui's spirit, now would be a really good time if he could assist you with his legendary skill at the Body Flicker.
-[X] Try to find Jiraya.
-[X] Assume that while Orochimaru himself will fight Kakashi, he'll send clones after you.
--[X] From what you know about him he's like an amoral magus who would just try harder to catch you for your secrets. Not showing those of our abilities that would most catch his interest is preferred, but you'll do it if the sole other alternative is death or permanent harm of anyone on our side.
--[X] Likely attention-grabbing skills, from least to most important: Seamless Jutsu Fusion, Average One, and Magecraft. That said, we may not get around showing Average One since he knows all five elements too, and we might have difficulty defending against that without using Type Advantage.
--[X] Conserving energy is not a high priority. Take a chakra pill if you need to, but you only need to last long enough for Jiraya to join the fight and for Kakashi to take over protecting you and Karin. Keep your Sharingan active, and unless his clones are entirely undetectable, do the same for your sensor skills.
--[X] Clones by themselves are worthless since he'll immediately see through the ruse and dismiss them as threats, but you might be able to exploit that with the Clone Great Explosion jutsu.
--[X] Our highest combat skill is Genjutsu, but we're not at the point of casting them without hand seals. It's worth a try, but don't expect to catch him in one for very long, especially not if he sees it coming. Instead, try to keep the two of you away from him, and keep him busy with thrown weapons and ranged jutsu.
 
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[X] Plan subtle explosion.

I honestly don't think we can last any amount of time against Orochimaru. This plan is more because doing nothing would end at least as badly as trying to blow him up and running like hell.
 
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I'll vote for that if people don't want to vote for mine where we don't leave bakashi, but people need to consolidate votes already. I'd prefer my vote, not leaving anyone behind because the alternative is contrapruducent to actually catch Orochimaru (the clones relay information and if they find out about Jiraiya and he's far back, they pop and he retreats).

The alternative, the typical rin impudence + a prodigious amount of explosions and a fighting retreat captures his interest, rage or narcissism and the clones if any are not far from the original and thus useless for scouting and group + Jiraiya + (possibly) Tsunade might actually catch the original.

It's possible that Kabuto is around too, though that would be kind of cheap.
 
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SCO said:
There are several problems with that plan. One of them is the weird 'contact shisui spirit thing' but whatever. The other is limiting yourself for no good reason.

Finally the last, is the hiding in the mist jutsu blinds the sharingan. It was used literally for that purpose in the first Kakashi battle in the manga and anime so you're basically lowering Kakashi odds of survival and even if you weren't the bio of Oro in this quest notes he knows powerful variants of great breakthrough (and, you know, the canon chunnin exams)...

Also several snakes hunt by vibrations.
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Actually, 'praying' to Shisui can be interpreted as invoking your Luck stat. It was a one-time thing, hearing his voice from the afterlife, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's useless.
 
I'd prefer to appeal to 'offensive' diplomacy. It would be quite a coup to trick Orochimaru into revealing himself to his team-mates by being provoked into summoning Rashoumon or Manda. I'd even suggest it would be work to get another rank into possibly EX.

Since Rashoumon is usually used as a shield, a true magic fulled, wind enhanced series of great fireballs should be 'encouragement' enough prior the retreat (or after and being caught) of the whole party. Jiraiya would investigate even the fireballs, but Tsunade might not care. Rashoumon though? She would come, even if only to see if she can scape together whoever is challenging her old teammate after he's done with them.
 
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Asael said:
Smoke bombs are not subtle at all. Not to mention, unless it trails high in the sky it's not gonna work. The smoke bombs used in the show dissipate way to quickly, usually.
Besides, if we're going THAT far, we might as well say fuck subtle and detonate an exploding tag. Jiraiya would definitely notice that.

The problem is that fighting is a losing proposition. Karin at this point is basically a non-combatant. Kakashi isn't going to be able to shelter both of us.

Edit: Even if it did trail high like signal smoke, Jiraya would have to be looking in the right direction to see it. No guarantee of that.
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Did you actually read my vote? "Hiding in smoke" is a jutsu, it produces chakra-infused smoke that any shinobi of Jiraiya's caliber should notice from miles away.

Yes, fighting isn't a solution, but again, you're ignoring what AoMythology wrote:
AoMythology said:
If it comes to a fight, regardless of who starts it, the plan is-

[]Write-in

(You need to plan for possible scenarios; make sure to specify if you are going to switch off the Sharingan or Omni-Science or take a soldier pill if you run low on Chakra.
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We are explicitly required to include what Rin does if a fight breaks out.


Sorry if this post sounds somewhat aggressive, but I just can't understand why people are ignoring our dear QM's requirements.
 
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Nachtigall said:
Did you actually read my vote? "Hiding in smoke" is a jutsu, it produces chakra-infused smoke that any shinobi of Jiraiya's caliber should notice from miles away.

Yes, fighting isn't a solution, but again, you're ignoring what AoMythology wrote:

We are explicitly required to include what Rin does if a fight breaks out.


Sorry if this post sounds somewhat aggressive, but I just can't understand why people are ignoring our dear QM's requirements.
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I'm really skeptical that it's going to impede orochimaru in any way. Blinds our sharingans which are probably our sides best defense, And frankly, it depends entirely on being able to make is colossal size column with Jiraiya only maybe looking in the right direction.

Also, patronize someone else.
 
Nachtigall said:
My preliminary suggestion:

[X] Plan Retreat towards Jiraiya
-[X] Run away
--[X] Take Karin with you
--[X] While it pains you to leave Kakashi behind, staying would just force him to defend you and fleeing with him would give Orochimaru the chance to pick you off one by one. Additionally, he is your superior and he gave you an order.
-[X] Release a massive smoke cloud (Hiding in Smoke jutsu), seemingly to cover your retreat but actually to alert Jiraiya.
-[X] If you can contact Shisui's spirit, now would be a really good time if he could assist you with his legendary skill at the Body Flicker.
-[X] Assume that while Orochimaru himself will fight Kakashi, he'll send clones after you.
-[X] Don't use magecraft or seamless jutsu fusion, from what you know about him he's like an amoral magus who would just try harder to catch you for your secrets.
-[X] In a fight, unless his clones are entirely undetectable, keep your sensor skills active.
-[X] Clones by themselves are worthless since he'll immediately see through the ruse and dismiss them as threats, but you might be able to exploit that with the Clone Great Explosion jutsu.


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Changed to plan format.
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I agree @AoMythology count my vote this time its what I quoted.
 
AoMythology said:
Actually, 'praying' to Shisui can be interpreted as invoking your Luck stat. It was a one-time thing, hearing his voice from the afterlife, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's useless.
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@Gnarker, with the above info, would you consider including that sub-vote in your plan?

At worst we loose 1 temporary rank up for luck but still fail, at best our brother takes over and we trivially outrun Orochimaru with Shisui's EX rank speed and S++++ rank body flicker (IIRC AoMythology said he comes right after Minato in the list of fastest ninja in history), while Rin is able to observe and learn from his legendary skill being used through her body.

Asael said:
Snakes can see in the infrared spectrum. Just saying.
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I don't see how that's relevant at all? I wrote several times that I don't expect the smoke to noticeably hinder Orochimaru, merely to signal Jiraiya in a way that isn't recognizable as calling for reinforcements.

Unless you have an idea how to exploit his wider spectrum of vision? Feel free to post it, in that case, that would be rather useful.

Asael said:
Also, patronize someone else.
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My plan was first criticised for producing a massive plume of chakra-imbued smoke that might hinder Kakashi, and then criticised because smoke bombs (which I wasn't even suggesting) don't have a chakra signature for Jiraiya to detect.

If you then accuse me twice of unnecessarily planning for a fight after the QM explicitly asks for that - then I have to genuinely wonder how much you read of what I posted.


@AoMythology, could you please clarify whether "run and expect clones" is detailed enough w.r.t. planning for a scenario where we have to fight, or whether you'd prefer actual strategies in how to deal with said clones?
 
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@Nachtigall Orochimaru is such an opponent that even his clones are a threat, so it's preferred, though not necessary.

...Also note that Rin might not expect the exact type of clone Orochimaru will use.
 
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@Patch, @Nachtigall, I expanded Subtle Explosion in light of recent information.

@AoMythology, I think our character sheet is incomplete. It doesn't list what Genjutsu we know, and I'm not sure if not having any Elemental Mastery Earth and Water despite knowing Jutsu of those elements is intentional. Especially the latter would be important since I'd like to add a section which of our elements we should prioritize.


SCO said:
I'd prefer to appeal to 'offensive' diplomacy. It would be quite a coup to trick Orochimaru into revealing himself to his team-mates by being provoked into summoning Rashoumon or Manda. I'd even suggest it would be work to get another rank into possibly EX.

Since Rashoumon is usually used as a shield, a true magic fulled, wind enhanced series of great fireballs should be 'encouragement' enough prior the retreat (or after and being caught) of the whole party. Jiraiya would investigate even the fireballs, but Tsunade might not care. Rashoumon though? She would come, even if only to see if she can scape together whoever is challenging her old teammate after he's done with them.
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Problem with that is that if he needs to pull out Rashoumon or Manda, it's gotten to the point where he's taking us seriously, and if Jiraya isn't already there at that point we've already lost. Better to alert him as early as possible and otherwise play for time.
 
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Gnarker said:
-[X]Humor him and reply truthfully
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Personally, that's the only part of your vote I don't quite understand. Orochimaru asks that question so that he'll know how best to manipulate us should he choose our body as his future host.
Additionally, answering takes time during which Jiraiya will get further away.

Or is your reasoning that giving him part of what he wants makes it more likely that he'll allow us to escape his grasp for now? I doubt that it'll work, but it could be considered a valid tactic...

Gnarker said:
--[X] From what you know about him he's like an amoral magus who would just try harder to catch you for your secrets. Not showing those of our abilities that would most catch his interest is preferred, but you'll do it if the sole other alternative is death or permanent harm of anyone on our side.
---[X] Likely attention-grabbing skills, from least to most important: Seamless Jutsu Fusion, Average One, and Magecraft. That said, we may not get around showing Average One since he knows all five elements too, and we might have difficulty defending against that without using Type Advantage.
--[X] Try to find Jiraya.
--[X] Conserving energy is not a high priority. Take a chakra pill if you need to, but you only need to last long enough for Jiraya to join the fight and for Kakashi to take over protecting you and Karin. Keep your Sharingan active, and unless his clones are entirely undetectable, do the same for your sensor skills.
--[X] Our highest combat skill is Genjutsu, but we're not at the point of casting them without hand seals. It's worth a try, but don't expect to catch him in one for very long, especially not if he sees it coming. Instead, try to keep the two of you away from him, and keep him busy with thrown weapons and ranged jutsu.
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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so I hope you don't mind if I copy these for my plan.

That said, I'd suggest to slightly reorder the sub-votes:
Nachtigall said:
[X] Plan Retreat towards Jiraiya
-[X] Run away
--[X] Take Karin with you
--[X] While it pains you to leave Kakashi behind, staying would just force him to defend you and fleeing with him would give Orochimaru the chance to pick you off one by one. Additionally, he is your superior and he gave you an order.
-[X] Release a massive smoke cloud (Hiding in Smoke jutsu), seemingly to cover your retreat but actually to alert Jiraiya. Try not to cover Kakashi, the chakra might hinder his sharingan-enhanced sight.
-[X] If you can contact Shisui's spirit, now would be a really good time if he could assist you with his legendary skill at the Body Flicker.
-[X] Try to find Jiraya.
-[X] Assume that while Orochimaru himself will fight Kakashi, he'll send clones after you.
--[X] From what you know about him he's like an amoral magus who would just try harder to catch you for your secrets. Not showing those of our abilities that would most catch his interest is preferred, but you'll do it if the sole other alternative is death or permanent harm of anyone on our side.
--[X] Likely attention-grabbing skills, from least to most important: Seamless Jutsu Fusion, Average One, and Magecraft. That said, we may not get around showing Average One since he knows all five elements too, and we might have difficulty defending against that without using Type Advantage.
--[X] Conserving energy is not a high priority. Take a chakra pill if you need to, but you only need to last long enough for Jiraya to join the fight and for Kakashi to take over protecting you and Karin. Keep your Sharingan active, and unless his clones are entirely undetectable, do the same for your sensor skills.
--[X] Clones by themselves are worthless since he'll immediately see through the ruse and dismiss them as threats, but you might be able to exploit that with the Clone Great Explosion jutsu.
--[X] Our highest combat skill is Genjutsu, but we're not at the point of casting them without hand seals. It's worth a try, but don't expect to catch him in one for very long, especially not if he sees it coming. Instead, try to keep the two of you away from him, and keep him busy with thrown weapons and ranged jutsu.
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I still slightly prefer my own plan, but asuming approval voting works for plans, I'll gladly support yours:

[X] Plan Retreat towards Jiraiya

[X] Plan Subtle Explosion


@ndh, @Garrison:
Just a heads-up that both Gnarker and I modified our plans to include each other's ideas, and they're pretty similar now. For the sake of getting enough votes so that one of both plans wins, you might want to vote for both as I do.
 
I'll allow approval voting for this time. (Two plans for one person's vote, no more.)

Though I don't know if the system counts them.
 
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[X] Plan Retreat towards Jiraiya
-[X] Run away
--[X] Take Karin with you
--[X] While it pains you to leave Kakashi behind, staying would just force him to defend you and fleeing with him would give Orochimaru the chance to pick you off one by one. Additionally, he is your superior and he gave you an order.
-[X] Release a massive smoke cloud (Hiding in Smoke jutsu), seemingly to cover your retreat but actually to alert Jiraiya.
-[X] If you can contact Shisui's spirit, now would be a really good time if he could assist you with his legendary skill at the Body Flicker.
-[X] Assume that while Orochimaru himself will fight Kakashi, he'll send clones after you.
-[X] Don't use magecraft or seamless jutsu fusion, from what you know about him he's like an amoral magus who would just try harder to catch you for your secrets.
-[X] In a fight, unless his clones are entirely undetectable, keep your sensor skills active.
-[X] Clones by themselves are worthless since he'll immediately see through the ruse and dismiss them as threats, but you might be able to exploit that with the Clone Great Explosion jutsu.
 
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