What is Fate? (Percy Jackson and the Olympians Quest)

So, we need to hang out with mortals, act like everything is normal, try and get Dad to train us (I'm personally in favor of martial skills and such, we know we'll need them, and it's a decidedly un-Demeter like activity so it might help conceal us), either conceal what we can do with plants or train it well (it's concealment vs. getting better at it w/ scent probably increasing).

Anyone else have ideas?

To be fair, being a genius aka super intelligent for the age we're at isn't necessarily a demigod thing so not keeping that secret shouldn't have impacted the Mist... now trying to point out plant growth and such because of us definitely should have hit that nail.

In terms of training, endurance training and martial arts alongside survival skills will be our best bet for age and body along with the potentially short time we have to learn them. If we're planning on turning our house into a fortress for Plants vs Zombies, I'd suggest figuring out where our house is and such before we recreate what canon Demeter kids did to that one tunnel.

In trying to cover up our scent, the only real thing we can do is stick around mortals more and when in public act like them (I'd have us focus on perception and stuff while doing that, trying to notice any potential threats and pretty much figure out ways to get out and to safety from there) otherwise the only real hope is having Dad act super mortalish, beyond the trash as stink of Gabe or find another wife somewhat like that to help cover it up.
 
I would also point out that mortal friendships never worked out for demigods in series and remarrying worked out even worse for most demigods cause it seemed that most got an innate distaste for the demigod (my running theory was that they subconsciously sense that they are beyond mortals and it causes a sense jealousy either for the former partner or that they know their own children wont measure up to the literal half god.)
 
I would also point out that mortal friendships never worked out for demigods in series and remarrying worked out even worse for most demigods cause it seemed that most got an innate distaste for the demigod (my running theory was that they subconsciously sense that they are beyond mortals and it causes a sense jealousy either for the former partner or that they know their own children wont measure up to the literal half god.)

I mean, Annabeth's stepmother and Paul beg to differ. But the main issue is Annabeth's stepmother in using her as an example since apparently Rick has her designed for one purpose and went the other way with her.

But Paul is a big symbol in showing Demigod Kid getting along with mortal stepparent.

Mortal friendships tend not to work out because demigods have to lie about certain things, but if a kid is clear-sighted then it'll likely be okayish then.
 
I mean, Annabeth's stepmother and Paul beg to differ. But the main issue is Annabeth's stepmother in using her as an example since apparently Rick has her designed for one purpose and went the other way with her.

But Paul is a big symbol in showing Demigod Kid getting along with mortal stepparent.

Mortal friendships tend not to work out because demigods have to lie about certain things, but if a kid is clear-sighted then it'll likely be okayish then.
I politely disagree with the idea that just cause a mortal is clear sighted meaning they could be a actual friend. I find that the literally attracting trouble by even being in the area to be a bit much to ask a mortal to deal with. Also, remember, no phones or anything like that. If we tried to text a friend it would bring monsters down on our head.

That said ill give you those parents but i consider them outliers considering the sheer number of demigods that stay at camp as much as possible to escape their home lives, be around people that understand their issues, and that they can hangout with relatively safely.

edit: i know im being rather negative but really being a demigod is not treated as a particularly good thing in series and for pretty good reason.
 
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I politely disagree with the idea that just cause a mortal is clear sighted meaning they could be a actual friend. I find that the literally attracting trouble by even being in the area to be a bit much to ask a mortal to deal with. Also, remember, no phones or anything like that. If we tried to text a friend it would bring monsters down on our head.

That said ill give you those parents but i consider them outliers considering the sheer number of demigods that stay at camp as much as possible to escape their home lives, be around people that understand their issues, and that they can hangout with relatively safely.

edit: i know im being rather negative but really being a demigod is not treated as a particularly good thing in series and for pretty good reason.


The clearsighted mortal not being a friend is a fair way to view it, also, yeah, we're fucked by the Lamia and her damn curse upon us using the internet and such.

The parents thing is that outside of Clarissa's, Luke's, Thalia's, Piper's, Hazel's, Frank's, Percy's, and Annabeth's, we don't really know all to much about a demigod's home life.

One is the bad guy, whose mom fucked up by trying to become Oracle. One is screwed because Dad broke an important oath. The other three play a role in the second GP and one's mother was screwed over by her desires and turned evil. Piper's dad was a super star so somewhat unavailable to be with her but still get along with her. Franks mom died in war I believe, but still managed to get along with Frank. Meanwhile his grandma gave him tough love treatment but cared for him.

Also, a decent amount of campers don't stay over winter or summer breaks. Or at least, there was an amount that didn't which implies there was some form of good parental relationship right there.
 
Also, a decent amount of campers don't stay over winter or summer breaks. Or at least, there was an amount that didn't which implies there was some form of good parental relationship right there.
Yeah thats fair, ive had my mind locked more on the negative stuff so i have trouble imagining amazing things happening to them that isnt undercut by near death.
 
Aren't monsters in PJO hidden from mundane sight? If so, I'm not sure if telling the teacher is going to work if they can't even see the thing.
 
Ok, friendships can be complicated, especially as a demigod in this series. From what I can tell demigods usually have trouble fitting in with mortals because of their demigodness.

They've usually got ADHD and Dyslexia, tendencies from their godly parent, monster trouble from using phones and technology like that, and are usually are labelled as troublemaker by their school. These would probably make it hard to make friends.

For example of godly parental tendencies, Percy is reckless and rebellious resembling Poseidon and the untamed seas, Annabeth inherits her mother's wits and intelligence, Clarisse is very violent and warlike like her father Ares, Jason and Thalia are strict and mature like their father Zeus/Jupiter, Leo is crafty and creative and understands machines more than people like his dad Hephaestus, Nico is very dark and moody like his dad and enjoys spending time with the dead more than the living like his father Hades, and Connor and Travis Stoll are mischievous and cunning and like to play pranks and steal things like their dad Hermes.

Then there's the actually being a demigod. They're in danger from monsters, can't tell their friends what is actually happening and sometimes have to disappear for periods of time to deal with Demigod stuff, worry about the possible danger of them being close to their mortal friends, they have totally different life experiences (one lives an ordinary mortal life and the other fights/kills with monsters for their life), and they're physically different as a Demigod (generally faster, stronger, better reflexes, etc). It's hard to get close to people when you have to spend a lot of time at the Camp and you have so many differences and obstacles to being ordinary friends.


However, we should still try to hang out with people and be social. Being social is an important part of life and even if we don't make close personal friends, we can still train/improve our social skills and be likeable and get along with others, instead of just closing off and not associating with anyone who isn't our father or a plant. Plus, there's always the chance of finding other demigods. I mean, on one hand it's unlikely because what are the chances of us happening to be in similar age range and location to other demigods who then end up going to our specific school, but on the other hand we're a demigod and shouldn't be surprised if that sort of thing happens.



Now, onto a less social focus: what other powers that we might have a child of Demeter! There's the obvious Chlorokinesis. But, reading through the series have sort of shown that while the demigods generally get a powers/ability from their godly parent, there are also other powers under their parent that they can train/use. Percy originally starts out with Hydrokinesis and ends up with various other powers that fit Poseidon's portfolio. Leo has the skill of builders and craftsmen and a talent as engineers are second to none. As part of this, he can instinctively detect, identify, and operate any piece of machinery. But, as the child of Hephaestus, he also has the ability of pyrokinesis.




Now, the way I look at it, there's several ways that I can see how some demigods have extra powers from their parents.

First off, one way is the demigod in question got lucky and got the right godly genes or such. Basically, they happened to get more or got lucky which godly genes and also got the extra abilities. Whether or not they can actually use it is up to the individual in question. Natural talent might let them break through/realize their ability (like Piper and her Charmspeaking, she just ended up using it with realizing it by just asking for stuff), or they could be pressured until they erupt in the ability, like Percy and his new-found ability to have a personal hurricane when fighting the Titan Hyperion in Central Park in the Battle of Manhattan.

Secondly, another way is that all the demigods have the ability to use those powers, but either lack the training to do so/or the natural talent to realize they can. Basically, most never realize they could do so or don't have talent to naturally end up using it, without being pushed to the limits and making a breakthrough. For example, this way means Piper was basically had a really high natural talent at Charmspeaking, which let her use her instictively use her ability without having to be pushed into a corner and make a breakthough to get it. This also explains how Piper managed to Charmspeak such powerful entities, she was basically really talented at at and since she ended up realize she had the ability when she was younger, she ended training/using it fairly often (espcecially during her adventures with the other demigods). Essentially, all the children of a godly parent have the abilities, but aren't individually talented enough to naturally use it and realize they have the ability. So, since they never realize they could do it, they never try to/never break through in their ability to do so.

Thirdly, another way is that it requires a certain strength to use various abilities that they get from their godly parent. For example, Percy managed to manipulate the water in toilet when Clarisse tried to dunk his head in it fairly easy, but years later and much stronger, he still struggled a bit control the personal hurricane he used to fight Hyperion and found it tiring to keep going (from what I remember, so take with a grain of salt).

Forthly, is that they are granted the ability by their parents, though I find this unlikely. In this way, the godly parentslets them have the other abilites. However, I find this unlikely, because I feel they would give the abilties to far more of their children than the few that they do, and they wouldn't know to give certain demigods their ability so early (ie, Piper got her Charmspeaking when she was young, used it to ask for various things vs. Piper getting her Charmspeaking just before her first big quest because Aphrodite thought she would need it).


Fifthly, demigods gain their other abilities by fulfilling their role as the child of their godly parent (I also consider this unlikely, but fun to consider). This mean the more they do fitting their status as a Demigod, as a child of their Parent, and their 'story', the stronger they get/the more abilties. This sound fun and make sense in some parts, but it fails in others.

This is mostly from a novel I read, where individuals, after they died, by fulfilling other's belief in them gained power. It was Norse-based, but using an example of one guy, he claimed he was the son of Thor (in reality he was not), but he kept claiming it and during one fight a lightning bolt struck his weapon as he fought someone and killed his enemy while leaving him unharmed. That made his legend as "Thor's Son" grow and when he died he had some powers similar to Thor (and ended up in Thor's legion fighting monsters) and his legend as Thor's son grew even more and he gained more power.
This fits in some ways because as Percy continually proves himself, his 'legend' as Poseidon's child grows and he gets more powers and stronger. This fails in others, as in Piper being able to Charmspeak, despite no one knowing she's Aphrodite's child and with no legend so to speak.



That being said, whether or not we can get other abilities that Dememer has, is up to the QM.




Anyways, moving on from all that, Demeter's Abilities are here. There's Chlorokinesis( with a subset in Taphokinesis), Geokinesis (possibly even more than Hades and Hera), Fertility Manipulation, Nourishment Manipulation (with a subset in Gluttony Inducement), Thermokinesis (with subsets of Atmokinesis and Season Control) Culinary Art (she's a good cook apparently? May not be relevant here), Cursing (historically, not really used in the series, turned a demigod into a gecko for ratting out Persephone), Transfiguration (she turned abunch of monsters into wheat in the Battle of Manhattan), and Ant Manipulation (historically, helped Psyche by sending ants to sort the seeds that were spilled, but possibility of some sort of animal manipulation or such?).


I think I may have gotten a bit too interested/excited, so take this all with a grain of salt. It's mainly ideas and possibilites, so it's in the QM's court in the end.

TL;DR: We should still be social/train our social prowess. There are multiple ways/reasons we could get/train into some of Demeter's abilites and Demeter does have some cool abilities. However, in the end the abilities are up to the QM whether they are possible or not or such.



Aren't monsters in PJO hidden from mundane sight? If so, I'm not sure if telling the teacher is going to work if they can't even see the thing.
Think they can still kinda be seen but only as odd people. Percy had a similar situation as a kid iirc and Tyson went to school for a while.
Yes, the Mist prevents people from seeing monsters or other stange events as what they are, instead changing to fully fit in with their worldview. So, they won't see him as a monster/rotting man, just an ordinary man. Still, we could just point out the strange man staring at kids to the adults, they should call the police and chase him off like what happened with Percy an the Cyclops at his elementary school.
 
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Aren't monsters in PJO hidden from mundane sight? If so, I'm not sure if telling the teacher is going to work if they can't even see the thing.

Monsters can be seen by people, they just tend to view them as either a mundane person, an animal, or something else through the mist. And as Life said below, Percy as a kid had an incident where a cyclops kinda stalked him at school until some teachers ran it off because it wasn't willing to push harder. Part of what I'm basing my reasoning on for why the telling the teacher and framing it in such a way that the undead comes off as a predator is to inspire the teachers to push harder and respond more within such context.

Think they can still kinda be seen but only as odd people. Percy had a similar situation as a kid iirc and Tyson went to school for a while.
 
[X] Undead Situation Write-In: Tell the teachers that during recess you saw some man beyond the fence staring at your class, specifically at the kids in a rather weird manner. Say you'd feel more comfortable if they have the cops investigate and if your parents are called.
 
child of Hephaestus, he also has the ability of pyrokinesis
in this case its not something that happens very often like at all for Hephaestus' kids. And in the case of Percy...well its Percy.

Dudes an absolute beast compared to most demigods and is practically bordering on being made into a god half the time.
 
With your new power of speaking in an understandable fashion
As a human I too emphasize with that notion.
but you yearn for the intellectual stimulation of your peers.
Uhhh, how dense is our MC?

[X] Sneak Attack! Inspired by your father tripping mindlessly over a root, you lead the undead near trees and use your powers to subtly cause roots to grow out and trip it! Continue doing this until people realize the strange man approaching a pre-k kid is not a good thing.
 
So I'm willing to bet that had we chosen to interact with kids more we'd likely be helping them along and encouraging personal growth and development in them making them better then they already were. What a shame at that lost opportunity, I really was hoping to see if that was the case. But people aren't willing to experiment and decide to focus on the plants, when we could obviously do so much more and be so much more.

And how exactly does "Demigod of the Goddes of Agriculture" translate into "life coach/personal trainer for toddlers" for you?
You are grasping at straws. Be glad we are essentially a divine druid and not a child of morpheus more concerned with staying awake then actually surviving.
 
And how exactly does "Demigod of the Goddes of Agriculture" translate into "life coach/personal trainer for toddlers" for you?
You are grasping at straws. Be glad we are essentially a divine druid and not a child of morpheus more concerned with staying awake then actually surviving.

Yes I'm grasping at straws considering we literally selected the concept of Growth and were told it had human applicable functions. Hm, maybe you should back off and take a moment to think before rushing in.

Remember we selected concepts, and the concept gave us a parent we aren't necessarily so limited as to that parents abilities, as seen by the fact that Monk literally stated Growth had an effect on us and could be specifically used by us, on us.
 
And how exactly does "Demigod of the Goddes of Agriculture" translate into "life coach/personal trainer for toddlers" for you?
You are grasping at straws. Be glad we are essentially a divine druid and not a child of morpheus more concerned with staying awake then actually surviving.
Uhh...
Who said it won't apply to yourself. It certainly won't be only yourself, but I do have plans to allow you to direct your focus to yourself, at least to a degree. I'm currently writing up mechanics for how it'll work actually. (They will be revealed when you get to camp)
QM sort of implies we can direct our focus of Growth toward others, so some have taken that to mean 'We can encourage growth in skills in ourselves and others'. They probably wanted us to figure that out sooner rather than later and hanging out with others would probably be the fastest way.
 
So since i want to avoid the stupid conceptual growth bs that always comes up in this stuff whats the long term or even mid term plan right now?

We definitely need to get our ass to camp asap seeing as we are untrained, far too young, and all to vulnerable as of yet. And once there we can actually fulfill the desire for friends with people that wont have their lives made worse by our mere presence to boot!
 
Yes I'm grasping at straws considering we literally selected the concept of Growth and were told it had human applicable functions. Hm, maybe you should back off and take a moment to think before rushing in.

Remember we selected concepts, and the concept gave us a parent we aren't necessarily so limited as to that parents abilities, as seen by the fact that Monk literally stated Growth had an effect on us and could be specifically used by us, on us.
Uhh...

QM sort of implies we can direct our focus of Growth toward others, so some have taken that to mean 'We can encourage growth in skills in ourselves and others'. They probably wanted us to figure that out sooner rather than later and hanging out with others would probably be the fastest way.

I think you are misinterpreting him.
We make plants grow, if we apply that to humans we are just making bigger and stronger humans.
There is no avenue for expanding our powers into "superpowered education". We can stretch our power to the absolute limits of our parents domain and no further, so with Pans death we are one if the few people on earth who can control the forces of nature.
That's power enough for us.
 
I think you are misinterpreting him.
We make plants grow, if we apply that to humans we are just making bigger and stronger humans.
There is no avenue for expanding our powers into "superpowered education". We can stretch our power to the absolute limits of our parents domain and no further, so with Pans death we are one if the few people on earth who can control the forces of nature.
That's power enough for us.
We're a toddler, let's see how life pans out. Maybe we'll learn to be a great person and teach them. You know, in the normal, boring mentor way?
The plant stuff is just to make sure the young whippersnappers listen closely.
 
I think you are misinterpreting him.
We make plants grow, if we apply that to humans we are just making bigger and stronger humans.
There is no avenue for expanding our powers into "superpowered education". We can stretch our power to the absolute limits of our parents domain and no further, so with Pans death we are one if the few people on earth who can control the forces of nature.
That's power enough for us.
That's a pretty good point. I'm pretty happy with Chlorokinesis, thought I wouldn't mind other abilities that we could train.

So since i want to avoid the stupid conceptual growth bs that always comes up in this stuff whats the long term or even mid term plan right now?

We definitely need to get our ass to camp asap seeing as we are untrained, far too young, and all to vulnerable as of yet. And once there we can actually fulfill the desire for friends with people that wont have their lives made worse by our mere presence to boot!
Eh, I personally would love it if we could enter camp a bit more competent than right now. I feel that we should ask our dad to teach us survival and forest stuff, take some martial classes (martial arts, some sword/weapon-based class, maybe archery?), start socializing, and maybe something about tactics or reading up on monsters and legends? Basically, now that we know where we are and what will be coming, I feel that we should be much more pro-active and start preparing ourselves, instead of doing nothing until we're eventually sent to Camp.

It has been 6 months since we revealed to our dad that we figured out who our parent is, and we just started our first day of kindergarten so I don't think we're being sent to Camp immediately. I'm actually glad for this, I like how we've been socializing with our dad, I feel like a lot of Percy Jackson fics sorta skip parents for that for the more 'fun' and 'exciting' parts of being a demigod, which are easier to write. I like how QM didn't just abandoned the dad as soon as some of our Demigodness became known and send us off to the Camp, it's realistic and shows how the Dad really cares for us and is reluctant to send us away. I like how the QM has been having us hang with our dad and how he's been taking us to cool nature places and encouraging our green-thumbness. I really like how QM has been including and having the plants feeling and acting with us around.

As for friends 'who we won't make their lives worse by being present', I don't particularly remember mortals being targeted by monsters. Yes, the monsters would smash things and mortals could be caught up, but they didn't focus on mortals that I know of. Though, I could be just not remembering, which I apoligize for. However, we don't even have to be close-for-forever friends, we could just be 'we hang out at school and get along' friends. Anyways, social activity is pretty important, especially as not being social causes us to stick out and be more easily seen by monsters/seperated from the mortals (ie, a loner kid disappearing is easier than a friendly kid hanging out with the others).


That being said, @Monk Penguin, how is the Quest going to go? We've been going along, but is this a sort of story quest (where we pick the responses/actions, then you write them out and we continue like that) or a different type of quest? I haven't seen a post on any of the mechanics of this quest. I would also love it if there was some sort of Character Sheet, so we could have down what we're capable of, what our skills are, how good we are at stuff, along with other personal details. I mean, I had to reread the quest to figure out what we could do, how old we are, where we even live, and that sort of thing. What's the plan for when the quest is much longer and harder to find the details?
 
While we are on the topic of weapons I feel we should focus on a martial arts, Wing Chun specifically, as we will almost always be weaker and slower then the monsters we are facing and we aren't likely to get a monster killing weapon within the decade. Better we master fighting unarmed and work it into fighting with weapons when we get them then practice with weapons and never get the tool we need to be effective against monsters.
 
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Eh, I personally would love it if we could enter camp a bit more competent than right now. I feel that we should ask our dad to teach us survival and forest stuff, take some martial classes (martial arts, some sword/weapon-based class, maybe archery?), start socializing, and maybe something about tactics or reading up on monsters and legends? Basically, now that we know where we are and what will be coming, I feel that we should be much more pro-active and start preparing ourselves, instead of doing nothing until we're eventually sent to Camp.
Personally I'm fine with us going in not being completely clueless and would prefer it, although i do mildly question some of your idea's. Namely the martial arts, mostly cause almost all mortal ones are about fighting other human shaped and limited things which isnt terribly helpful against many of the monsters we might encounter.

Notably i said almost all cause i believe i remember Pankration (or maybe some variation of it) being mentioned in canon as something the camp taught as one of its many activities, so its likely that some kind of weaponless defense has been kept around. Although going weaponless is a notably bad idea.
It has been 6 months since we revealed to our dad that we figured out who our parent is, and we just started our first day of kindergarten so I don't think we're being sent to Camp immediately. I'm actually glad for this, I like how we've been socializing with our dad, I feel like a lot of Percy Jackson fics sorta skip parents for that for the more 'fun' and 'exciting' parts of being a demigod, which are easier to write. I like how QM didn't just abandoned the dad as soon as some of our Demigodness became known and send us off to the Camp, it's realistic and shows how the Dad really cares for us and is reluctant to send us away. I like how the QM has been having us hang with our dad and how he's been taking us to cool nature places and encouraging our green-thumbness. I really like how QM has been including and having the plants feeling and acting with us around.
Our scent already kicked into overdrive so as soon as a guide finds us theyll do what they can to get us to camp.

Also i was essentially raised by my dad so im probably biased but ive got no plans to cut out our dad from our life. I do however hope to get him a celestial bronze trail knife or something of that kind so he atleast has some kinda protection.
As for friends 'who we won't make their lives worse by being present', I don't particularly remember mortals being targeted by monsters. Yes, the monsters would smash things and mortals could be caught up, but they didn't focus on mortals that I know of. Though, I could be just not remembering, which I apoligize for. However, we don't even have to be close-for-forever friends, we could just be 'we hang out at school and get along' friends. Anyways, social activity is pretty important, especially as not being social causes us to stick out and be more easily seen by monsters/seperated from the mortals (ie, a loner kid disappearing is easier than a friendly kid hanging out with the others).
I find it pretty telling that not a single demigod in canon is noted for being able to actually have/keep mortal friends or is really even shown to even try for them. The only example i remember ever in canon of mortal/(aware)demigod friendship is Rachel, who then turned into the oracle so is a pretty bad example.

I do see the appeal of casual friendships and we could benefit from those. But knowing questers Im unsure if itd actually stay casual friendships. my grievances stated however i read a fair bit of the qm's stuff and have faith in them, and knowing demigod luck we're all but guaranteed to somehow find another demigod to buddy up with.

Actually if it happens id be all for buddying up with another demigod. form a causal circle of mortal friends while at school and such to help mask scent but have the other halfblood as a friend, for both mutual protection and companionship.
 
[X] Undead Situation Write-In: Tell the teachers that during recess you saw some man beyond the fence staring at your class, specifically at the kids in a rather weird manner. Say you'd feel more comfortable if they have the cops investigate and if your parents are called.
And how exactly does "Demigod of the Goddes of Agriculture" translate into "life coach/personal trainer for toddlers" for you?
You are grasping at straws. Be glad we are essentially a divine druid and not a child of morpheus more concerned with staying awake then actually surviving.
Demeter does have a reputation for giving actually nice and not double edged blessings to mortals in mythology.

But thats mostly relative to the other greek gods who slap a curse onto every blessing
 
So, why would the person who is pretty much the God of Nature at this point what with Pan pretty much being dead, not being capable of keeping an eye on us via the fact that most nature spirits are chill and subservient to her, up to a point? Also, I do have to ask @Monk Penguin can a write-in have multiple options occur, like utilizing the schooling systems own nature to work for us here while also doing the side-piece of praying to "Mom" for help?
I would say that it is more likely that Hades is doing it on orders of his wife.
 
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