[X] [Gov] Tribal Democratic Federation. (Positive Centralisation, More Province Actions)

We're on an island. If we're united and up to date with our navy, we're impervious to attack. If we're divided our enemies will take advantage of that to fuck with us. Increased unity means less potential for internal conflict on the island, means less money wasted on armies and more invested on navy.

I agree with this sentiment.

[X] [Gov] Tribal Democratic Federation. (Positive Centralisation, More Province Actions)
 
Also, Incase anyone was curious, I asked Oshha on discord the other day when he showed us the map of the island how many hex's made a province, he said 3. The island has 18 hex's which means the island is 6 provinces large.

Edit: For scale the core Arthwyd territory of the old quest only had 9 provinces populated, 4 at 1/12 and 5 at 6/12 which equals 34 filled settlement slots. The Island has a total of 72 settlement slots which means we could fit the whole of the Arthwyd on the Island and only use 34/72 slots, less than half of the space. It's a big Island.
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Also, Incase anyone was curious, I asked Oshha on discord the other day when he showed us the map of the island how many hex's made a province, he said 3. The island has 18 hex's which means the island is 6 provinces large.

Edit: For scale the core Arthwyd territory of the old quest only had 9 provinces populated, 4 at 1/12 and 5 at 6/12 which equals 34 filled settlement slots. The Island has a total of 72 settlement slots which means we could fit the whole of the Arthwyd on the Island and only use 34/72 slots, less than half of the space. It's a big Island.
Great Britain size?
 
Not sure. But if I had to guess I'd say we're maybe half the size of Ireland. It's a big island but I don't think it's that big. Defidently bigger than Iceland. Probably bigger than Hawaii. We are a volcanic island like Hawaii is.
So, look for more islands? Where there's one, there's usually a cluster of islands, albeit possibly smaller ones.
 
So, look for more islands? Where there's one, there's usually a cluster of islands, albeit possibly smaller ones.
Maybe. Given how close to shore it is and the fact that it's volcanic I would say that our island has more in common with japan than England or Ireland so it's a solid bet that there are other islands nearby. Either way our island is big enough that we won't need to find more land to settle for a long time.
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Maybe. Given how close to shore it is and the fact that it's volcanic I would say that our island has more in common with japan than England or Ireland so it's a solid bet that there are other islands nearby. Either way our island is big enough that we won't need to find more land to settle for a long time.
Yes, but I want our federation to have lots of lesser kingdoms, unified under a great King of the British Insert-Name-of-Civish Islands.

And those islands can be their own kingdoms, just like the UK.
 
[X] [Gov] Tribal Democratic Petty Republics. (Negative Centralisation, Less Player Actions, Significantly More Province Actions)
 
[X] [Gov] Tribal Democratic Federation. (Positive Centralisation, More Province Actions)
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[X] [Gov] Tribal Oligarchic Petty Republics. (Negative Centralisation, Less Player Actions, Significantly More Province Actions)
[X] [Gov] Tribal Democratic Petty Republics. (Negative Centralisation, Less Player Actions, Significantly More Province Actions)
[X] [Gov] Tribal Oligarchic Republic. (Positive Centralisation, More Player Actions, Less Province Actions)
[X] [Gov] Tribal Democratic Republic. (Positive Centralisation, More Player Actions, Less Province Actions)
[X] [Gov] Tribal Oligarchic Confederation. (Negative Centralisation, Less Player Actions, More Province Actions)

The Kingdom will be reorganized into the First Republic!

Though we should've gone for oligarchic.... oh well.

No, don't be a federation, be a merchant republic! Very Serene, Much Doge.



Unity is for suckers, competition drives progress! There is no "suboptimal" option in this vote, only different playstyles.

Even what you guys call "united" forms of government fracture and collapse all the time, opening us up for foreign invasion. Stability and Legitimacy are the key here, not Centralization.

To quote from Oshha's quest rules:
Legitimacy: The right to rule by the current leadership and how confident the people are in their ability/right to rule.

Stability: How stable and internally peaceful the civ is.

Centralisation: How much power the central government wields.
Seriously, we've played High Cent Civs before, and they weren't exactly immune to internal power struggles, rebellions and what not.
 
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[X][Gov] Tribal Democratic Federation. (Positive Centralisation, More Province Actions)
No. of Votes: 15
[X][Gov] Tribal Democratic Petty Republics. (Negative Centralisation, Less Player Actions, Significantly More Province Actions)
No. of Votes: 11
[X][Gov] Tribal Democratic Republic. (Positive Centralisation, More Player Actions, Less Province Actions)
No. of Votes: 1
[X][Gov] Tribal Oligarchic Kingdom. (Positive Centralisation, More Player Actions, Less Province Actions)
No. of Votes: 1
[X][Gov] Tribal Democratic Kingdom. (Positive Centralisation, More Player Actions, Less Province Actions)
No. of Votes: 1
[X][Gov] Tribal Oligarchic Petty Republics. (Negative Centralisation, Less Player Actions, Significantly More Province Actions)
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 25
 
[X][Gov] Tribal Democratic Petty Republics. (Negative Centralisation, Less Player Actions, Significantly More Province Actions)
 
In all honesty, I think I'd prefer not winning all the time, something that the centralized build pretty much has to do.

Like, the good part about a decentralized civ is that we don't have to win all the time. Even if an enemy lands on our shores, a decentralized civ will adapt and take pieces of the invader into themselves. Its far more flexible than a centralized civ is, and can bounce back from pretty much everything.

It just sounds more interesting to play with as compared to yet another 'get moar centralization, build a palace, get admin up, etc...' that centralized builds inevitably fall into.

We might not 'win' the era, but decentralized areas have the best growth potential for a reason. And that growth means we get a large base to play with, in a way that we haven't been able to do before, and which SV would usually avoid.
 
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[X][Gov] Tribal Democratic Petty Republics. (Negative Centralisation, Less Player Actions, Significantly More Province Actions)

Getting perhaps the first Negative Cent Civ Quest in SV is a good goal to reach, let's go for it.
 
Also, Incase anyone was curious, I asked Oshha on discord the other day when he showed us the map of the island how many hex's made a province, he said 3. The island has 18 hex's which means the island is 6 provinces large.

Edit: For scale the core Arthwyd territory of the old quest only had 9 provinces populated, 4 at 1/12 and 5 at 6/12 which equals 34 filled settlement slots. The Island has a total of 72 settlement slots which means we could fit the whole of the Arthwyd on the Island and only use 34/72 slots, less than half of the space. It's a big Island.
Not sure. But if I had to guess I'd say we're maybe half the size of Ireland. It's a big island but I don't think it's that big. Defidently bigger than Iceland. Probably bigger than Hawaii. We are a volcanic island like Hawaii is.

It is about the same size as Ireland. I will also note that I am changing up settlement slot sizes as different terrains will allow for more settlements than others. For example, you will be able to put more settlements in a province full of open fields and grasslands than in a province that consists of mountains. As a result of this, I am also changing the rules slightly that a province needs to have a minimum number of settlements before it provides bonuses rather than just have it so you need to settle every province halfway.

So, look for more islands? Where there's one, there's usually a cluster of islands, albeit possibly smaller ones.
Maybe. Given how close to shore it is and the fact that it's volcanic I would say that our island has more in common with japan than England or Ireland so it's a solid bet that there are other islands nearby. Either way our island is big enough that we won't need to find more land to settle for a long time.

There are no nearby island of significant size. There might be some further afield, but those ones wouldn't be nearby.
 
@Oshha What would the leader of a Tribal Democratic Federation even be? An elected council, a consul or two or, ugh, an elected monarch?
 
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