Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest

thefoolswriter · Apr 9, 2019

Kiba said:
Check out the diffcheck.

Basically, we improved our agricultural tech and discovered zinc.

and what's zinc good for at this moment

Oshha · Apr 9, 2019

Don't forget to look at the rest of your tech and not just general technology.

Lukepop · Apr 9, 2019

Andres110 said:
Ok, this is rather unfortunate. Looks like our only way of increasing Temp Culture is through Venerate the Goddesses, and temple construction eats up Temp Culture. Unless we Venerate, even a single temple will knock us out of the golden age. @Lukepop, you should take this into account in your plan, though I would prefer if you voted for my own down below.

Thanks for the info.

[X] [SEC] Build Temples = (Northern Green River)
[X] [SEC] Venerate the Goddesses
[X] [SEC] Build Roads = (Greenbay)
[X] [SEC] Trade Expedition = Forluc Kingdom
[X] [SEC] Settle Land = Upriver Plains

Doesn't bump up econ like before, but it does give us enough Temp Culture to stay in the golden age and also bumps up our Temp Mystic too. There's also rather good narrative synergy here, as we're not only constructing a new temple, we're integrating a bunch of lowlanders into our civilisation, which the culturally and religiously rich nature of the Venerate action will certainly help with. Given that "narrative trumps stats every time" according to the tag, this is a very good thing, especially since we're in the middle of developing our religion. It may give our religion a boost in inducting foreign elements into our culture, which is quite good indeed.

1. Our temp. culture is at 3 out of 2 permanent. Building two temples will lower it by 2. You don't need two stats over permanent to keep a Golden Age. You need two stats over permanent (among other, probably narrative) things to get a Golden Age, but retaining it is just not fucking things up with negative stats and stab etc.

2. The trade expedition to the Forluc is almost certainly unnecessary as our provinces are on diplo. That's six trade expeditions each turn, though according to my plan it'd be 5, as they'd be forced into an economy generating action. We have two turns to complete that quest, and even if we don't, a free build boats isn't a huge thing.

It's also probably only a secondary build boats, rather than a main. Tbh spending an action on a forluc trade expedition might not be worth it anyways, even if it wasn't going to be done by the provinces, which it almost certainly is.

Oshha · Apr 9, 2019

Regarding province actions, do note that trade expeditions and diplomatic expeditions are two different actions and you have your province policy set to diplo rather than trade.

Lukepop · Apr 9, 2019

Ah shit. When'd that happen.

Kiba · Apr 9, 2019

Social concept checkdiff

We got missionaries!

10ebbor10 · Apr 9, 2019

Oshha said:
Regarding province actions, do note that trade expeditions and diplomatic expeditions are two different actions and you have your province policy set to diplo rather than trade.

What will the policy do if it can't do diplo? Will it try to Build Boats, or will it try doing trade missions to get wealth for more diplo?

Because Diplo expeditions cost 4 Wealth each, so it can only run 1.

Kiba · Apr 9, 2019

10ebbor10 said:
What will the policy do if it can't do diplo? Will it try to Build Boats, or will it try doing trade missions to get wealth for more diplo?

Because Diplo expeditions cost 4 Wealth each, so it can only run 1.

But then we could use trade expedition to generate wealth so that we can do another diplomacy mission?

Oshha · Apr 9, 2019

Lukepop said:
Ah shit. When'd that happen.

During "Tin, Bronze and Blessings" when you unlocked the Wealth stat.

10ebbor10 said:
What will the policy do if it can't do diplo? Will it try to Build Boats, or will it try doing trade missions to get wealth for more diplo?

Because Diplo expeditions cost 4 Wealth each, so it can only run 1.

Build boats for diplo and support subordinates to increase relations. It might do a trade expedition if it just need another bit of temp wealth before it can do another diplomatic expedition. If you got a diplo-related megaproject ongoing, it might do some actions towards that, but it will not start a megaproject on its own.

NúmenoreanNazgûl · Apr 9, 2019

Oshha said:
the Urthrynite Grand Temple.

Does this count as a megaproject since we already built a grand temple? Or does it just lose the megaproject bonus?

Andres110 said:
I made a map with the provinces numbered on it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, because this is all based on my best guesses, not actual knowledge.

1. Greenbay
2. Rockbay
3. Sunrise Bay
4. North Coast Plains
5. Upriver Plains
6. Sunrise Plains
7. Lowlands Conflux
8. Northern Green River
9. Southern Green RIver

3. Northern Mountain Outpost
5. Sunrise Plains
6. Sunrise Bay
8. Upriver Plains
Northern and Southern Green River are between 7 and 8.

BlueFlamingWings said:
Too many actions. Only five Secondaries.

*laughs in approval voting*
[X] [Mega] Gain a new Social-related Value.
[X] [Mega] Upgrade a random Value.
[X] [Mega] Gain a random Hero.
[X] [Mega] Gain at least two Technologies.
[X] [Mega] +1 Admin Strain Free Provinces.
[X] [MAIN] Build Boats.
[X] [MAIN] Build Roads = (Greenbay)
[X] [SEC] Build Roads = (Rockbay)
[X] [SEC] Build Roads = (Sunrise Bay)
[X] [MAIN] Build Roads = (North Coast Plains)
[X] [MAIN] Build Roads = (Upriver Plains)
[X] [SEC] Build Roads = (Sunrise Plains)
[] [SEC] Build Roads = (Lowland Conflux)
[X] [MAIN] Build Roads = (Northern Green River)
[X] [MAIN] Build Roads = (Southern Green River)
[X] [MAIN] Build Temples = (Greenbay)
[X] [SEC] Build Temples = (Rockbay)
[X] [SEC] Build Temples = (Sunrise Bay)
[X] [MAIN] Build Temples = (North Coast Plains)
[X] [MAIN] Build Temples = (Upriver Plains)
[X] [SEC] Build Temples = (Sunrise Plains)
[X] [MAIN] Build Temples = (Northern Green River)
[X] [MAIN] Build Temples = (Southern Green River)
[X] [SEC] Build Walls = (Greenbay)
[X] [MAIN] Build Walls = (Greenbay)
[X] [SEC] Build Walls = (Rockbay)
[X] [MAIN] Build Walls = (Rockbay)
[X] [SEC] Build Walls = (Sunrise Bay)
[X] [MAIN] Build Walls = (Sunrise Bay)
[X] [SEC] Build Walls = (North Coast Plains)
[X] [MAIN] Build Walls = (North Coast Plains)
[X] [SEC] Build Walls = (Upriver Plains)
[X] [MAIN] Build Walls = (Upriver Plains)
[X] [SEC] Build Walls = (Sunrise Plains)
[X] [MAIN] Build Walls = (Sunrise Plains)
[X] [MAIN] Build Walls = (Lowland Conflux)
[X] [SEC] Build Walls = (Northern Green River)
[X] [MAIN] Build Walls = (Northern Green River)
[X] [SEC] Build Walls = (Southern Green River)
[X] [MAIN] Build Walls = (Southern Green River)
[x] [MAIN] Expand Economy
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Coastline)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Coastal Plains)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Cursed Forest)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Lowlands)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Sea)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Sunset Mountains)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Sunrise Mountains)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Western Coast)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Northern Coast)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Great Mountain)
[X] [MAIN] Explore Lands = (Coastline)
[X] [MAIN] Explore Lands = (Coastal Plains)
[X] [MAIN] Explore Lands = (Cursed Forest)
[X] [MAIN] Explore Lands = (Lowlands)
[X] [MAIN] Explore Lands = (Sea)
[X] [MAIN] Explore Lands = (Sunset Mountains)
[X] [MAIN] Explore Lands = (Sunrise Mountains)
[X] [MAIN] Explore Lands = (Western Coast)
[X] [MAIN] Explore Lands = (Northern Coast)
[X] [MAIN] Explore Lands = (Great Mountain)
[X] [SEC] Plant Sacred Forests,
[X] [MAIN] Plant Sacred Forests,
[X] [MAIN] Settle Land = (Rockbay)
[X] [MAIN] Settle Land = (Upriver Plains)
[X] [MAIN] Settle Land = (Sunrise Bay)
[X] [MAIN] Settle Land = (Surnise Plains)
[X] [MAIN] Settle Land = (Lowland Conflux)
[] [SEC] Study Magic.
[X] [MAIN] Study Magic.
[X] [SEC] Switch Province Policy = (Infrastructure)
[X] [MAIN] Train Sacred Warriors

Oshha · Apr 9, 2019

NúmenoreanNazgûl said:
Does this count as a megaproject since we already built a grand temple? Or does it just lose the megaproject bonus?

It counts as megaproject because is the Urthrynite Grand Temple while you built the Arthrynite Grand Temple (I am planning to rename it next update). No one else can build a grand temple for the Arthrynite religion, but they can do so for other religions, which is what the Urthdysh are doing.

Kiba · Apr 9, 2019

@Oshha If relation to our subordinates are already extremely high to begin with, are they still going to do support subordinate?

Oshha · Apr 9, 2019

Kiba said:
@Oshha If relation to our subordinates are already extremely high to begin with, are they still going to do it?

Yes because it gives more resources to the subordinate for them to use. Furthermore, you only have so many viable diplo options for the diplo policy to take.

10ebbor10 · Apr 9, 2019

So, yeah. We need to switch away from Diplo-policy. It's just not going to be doing anything we want it to do.

BlueFlamingWings · Apr 9, 2019

Oshha said:
Yes. They build a temple in Caermyr during the last update using their own set of stats.

That reminds me. Has Eira actually been converted or does she hope to usurp that temple years later for Urthryn (a benefit of being immortal is that you can think long term)? Or does she worship both her mother and the Goddesses now?

Oshha · Apr 9, 2019

BlueFlamingWings said:
That reminds me. Has Eira actually been converted or does she hope to usurp that temple years later for Urthryn (a benefit of being immortal is that you can think long term)? Or does she worship both her mother and the Goddesses now?

Eira converted to the Arthrynite faith about the time that the golden age started and has been a devout follower since then. She is also one of the few people to know that Arthryn moonlights as Vryn.

nat_401 · Apr 9, 2019

[X] [Mega] +1 Admin Strain Free Provinces.
[X] [SEC] Switch Policy = Infrastructure
[X] [SEC] Settle Land = Upriver Plains
[X] [SEC] Trade Expedition = Forluc Kingdom
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = Urthdysh Federation

Ok, we can switch to infrastructure, settle, trade with the Forluc to get some boats, study some magic and use our diplomatic hero to improve relations with the Federation.
We can afford one diplomatic expedition every main turn, we should manually choose one since diplo policy won't trade to afford more by itself.

BlueFlamingWings · Apr 9, 2019

nat_401 said:
[X] [SEC] Switch Policy = Infrastructure
[X] [SEC] Settle Land = Upriver Plains
[X] [SEC] Trade Expedition = Forluc Kingdom
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = Urthdysh Federation
[X] [SEC] Study Magic

Ok, we can switch to infrastructure, settle, trade with the Forluc to get some boats, study some magic and use our diplomatic hero to improve relations with the Federation.
We can afford one diplomatic expedition every main turn, we should manually choose one since diplo policy won't trade to afford more by itself.

You know what? Sure. It's not going to change anything but the build roads can wait:

[X] [SEC] Switch Policy = Infrastructure
[X] [SEC] Settle Land = Upriver Plains
[X] [SEC] Trade Expedition = Forluc Kingdom
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = Urthdysh Federation
[X] [SEC] Study Magic

nat_401 · Apr 9, 2019

BlueFlamingWings said:
You know what? Sure. It's not going to change anything but the build roads can wait

I'm confident the infrastructure policy will deal with the roads.

10ebbor10 · Apr 9, 2019

[X] [SEC] Switch Policy = Infrastructure
[X] [SEC] Settle Land = Upriver Plains
[X] [SEC] Trade Expedition = Forluc Kingdom
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = Urthdysh Federation
[X] [SEC] Study Magic

BlueFlamingWings said:
You know what? Sure. It's not going to change anything but the build roads can wait:

Infra policy is likely to go nuts with roads.

Kiba · Apr 9, 2019

[X] [SEC] Switch Policy = Infrastructure
[X] [SEC] Settle Land = Upriver Plains
[X] [SEC] Trade Expedition = Forluc Kingdom
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = Urthdysh Federation
[X] [SEC] Study Magic

Random Member · Apr 9, 2019

[X] [Mega] Gain a new Social-related Value.
[X] [Mega] Gain at least two Technologies.

[X] [SEC] Settle Land = Upriver Plains
[X] [SEC] Trade Expedition = Forluc Kingdom
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = Urthdysh Federation
[X] [SEC] Diplomatic Expedition = (Boarfolk Nomads)
[X] [SEC] Trade Expedition = (Boarfolk Nomads)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Sea)
[X] [SEC] Explore Lands = (Great Mountain)
[X] [SEC] Study Magic

Oshha · Apr 9, 2019

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