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Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest

Should the world be a Low Fantasy setting?

  • Yes

    Votes: 63 70.0%

  • No

    Votes: 27 30.0%
  • Total voters
    90
  • Poll closed .
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Oshha said:
Actually, the People do consider the barbarians worthy of being considered and understood and would happily accept one into the People, especially if they were willingly to give up their old culture and embrace the culture of the People.

If the barbarians are peaceful, the People are perfectly fine interacting with them even if they disdain their way of life as being inferior.
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It's not the beliefs of the People that I am mocking, but that of..... another group.
 
UlseDovThur said:
[X] Try to get their secrets of wolf-taming and giant boar-riding from them.

So let me get this straight. Not only are they angry at us for saving them from Urth even though they attacked us, they also don't like the fact that we are trying to help them rebuild by giving them food, help, and other things, but they take the help we give them, scowling all the while like we are performing some great crime, and are actively using the resources we are giving them to eventually tell us we can go fuck ourselves?

.........pfft........pffthahaHAHAHAHAHA!! Oh yeah, these retards can get bent. we are taking what we want from them and they have an issue with it they can say it to our face and be summeraly ignored. They want to pick a fight afterwards? It their funeral.
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To put this into perspective:

They are angry because we killed 5% of their population in doing so, which I imagine wouldn't garner good feelings between us.
They dislike the fact that we are giving them things because they perceive it as charity and us implying that they are weak and need to be coddled.
They are of course going to build up their defenses because they dislike us and are disloyal; this was established last turn.

You can be indignant about the treatment if you like, but acting like they had no reason to do what they did is foolish.
 
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[X] Try to get their secrets of wolf-taming and giant boar-riding from them.
Adhoc vote count started by nkd1325 on Feb 19, 2019 at 5:10 PM, finished with 61 posts and 27 votes.
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UlseDovThur said:
[X] Try to get their secrets of wolf-taming and giant boar-riding from them.

So let me get this straight. Not only are they angry at us for saving them from Urth even though they attacked us, they also don't like the fact that we are trying to help them rebuild by giving them food, help, and other things, but they take the help we give them, scowling all the while like we are performing some great crime, and are actively using the resources we are giving them to eventually tell us we can go fuck ourselves?

.........pfft........pffthahaHAHAHAHAHA!! Oh yeah, these retards can get bent. we are taking what we want from them and if they have an issue with it they can say it to our face and be summeraly ignored. They want to pick a fight afterwards? It's their funeral.
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And so you think we can just get the required technology without being actually trying to learn about them through diplomacy?
 
Raichu1972 said:
We could try this wonderful thing called interacting with and understand different cultures, instead of resigning ourselves to a holy war or rebellion.
There is literally an option to attempt to better understand them and how not to offend them through culture clashes.
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And if this was anyone else, including the friendly neighborhood nomads, I would totally pick that option.
But as it stands the lowlanders are the hilariously evil nega-verse us. I feel like love and understanding won't get us that far with them.
I could and might be totally wrong but they are sitting at zero loyalty and are actively preparing for their bid for independence.
I never even wanted these guys as vassals cause I knew they'd end up being belligerent on account of our merry half-turn murder-spree through their entire military.
 
Raichu1972 said:
To put this into perspective:

They are angry because we killed a fifth of their population in doing so, which I imagine wouldn't garner good feelings between us.
They dislike the fact that we are giving them things because they perceive it as charity and us implying that they are weak and need to be coddled.
They are of course going to build up their defenses because they dislike us and are disloyal; this was established last turn.

You can be indignant about the treatment if you like, but acting like they had no reason to do what they did is foolish.
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5%. Not a fifth.
 
[X] Attempt to convert them to the ways of Arthryn and her Daughters.
[X] Try to get their secrets of wolf-taming and giant boar-riding from them.
 
UlseDovThur said:
So let me get this straight. Not only are they angry at us for saving them from Urth even though they attacked us, they also don't like the fact that we are trying to help them rebuild by giving them food, help, and other things, but they take the help we give them, scowling all the while like we are performing some great crime, and are actively using the resources we are giving them to eventually tell us we can go fuck ourselves?
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If by 'saving them from Urth', you mean slaughtering 5% of their total population and then conquering them, then yes, they totally don't like them. As for giving them aid, you were basically rubbing salt in a fresh wound as you have massively insulted them in the process.

If a person that murdered some of your family after you spend a few years homeless and jobless came along and called you a worthless, helpless weakling, but then offered you a thousand pounds, would you turn him down? Sure you would hate him even more for his insults upon murdering your family, but you aren't just about to turn down a large amount of free money, especially if it cost this absolute arsehole. No, you would take it and use it to improve your life whilst plotting his downfall.

The Maradysh do have genuine grievances against you.
 
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AegisCollector said:
And if this was anyone else, including the friendly neighborhood nomads, I would totally pick that option.
But as it stands the lowlanders are the hilariously evil nega-verse us. I feel like love and understanding won't get us that far with them.
I could and might be totally wrong but they are sitting at zero loyalty and are actively preparing for their bid for independence.
I never even wanted these guys as vassals cause I knew they'd end up being belligerent on account of our merry half-turn murder-spree through their entire military.
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1) It doesn't required us to be a dick.
2) We can achieve greater technological gains if we can work with them.
 
Raichu1972 said:
To put this into perspective:

They are angry because we killed a fifth of their population in doing so, which I imagine wouldn't garner good feelings between us.
They dislike the fact that we are giving them things because they perceive it as charity and us implying that they are weak and need to be coddled.
They are of course going to build up their defenses because they dislike us and are disloyal; this was established last turn.

You can be indignant about the treatment if you like, but acting like they had no reason to do what they did is foolish.
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You mean the fifth that attacked us completely unprovoked, You'll have to excuse me if I don't shed a tear. I get what you're saying but I just really don't care.

This is like if a home invader gets his ass beat by the home owner, the home owner feels bad about it and gives the invader 100 bucks and let's him live in his basement to help him get back on his feet, then the invader comes back with a bat that he bought with the 100 bucks and tells the owner to fuck off.
Adhoc vote count started by UlseDovThur on Feb 19, 2019 at 5:27 PM, finished with 84 posts and 34 votes.
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[X] Try to get their secrets of wolf-taming and giant boar-riding from them.
[X] Try to engage them in trade to offer them aid in a manner which won't offend them.
 
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They aren't going to work with us, most likely first martial hero they get they will rebel and we will be stuck in a near endless cycle of smashing them down untill they stop it.
 
[X] Try to get their secrets of wolf-taming and giant boar-riding from them.

Take their stuff.
Worst case scenario is that we spark an early war with them. Better now than later.
 
UlseDovThur said:
This is like if a home invader gets his ass beat by the home owner, the home owner feels bad about it and gives the invader 100 bucks and let's him live in his basement to help him get back on his feet, then the invader comes back with a bat that he bought with the 100 bucks and tells the owner to fuck off.
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More like if the home invader was killed by the home owner and then the home owner offered the money to the home invader's family whilst insulting them in the process.
 
[X] Try to engage them in trade to offer them aid in a manner which won't offend them.

Eh, I'm fine with this too. Better that than doing nothing.
 
UlseDovThur said:
You mean the fifth that attacked us completely unprovoked, You'll have to excuse me if I don't shed a tear. I get what you're saying but I just really don't care.

This is like if a home invader gets his ass beat by the home owner, the home owner feels bad about it and gives the invader 100 bucks and let's him live in his basement to help him get back on his feet, then the invader comes back with a bat that he bought with the 100 bucks and tells the owner to fuck off.
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Are you seeking to gain technology or fulfilling your revenge fantasy against assholes?

And they are our vassal, thus our responsibility whether we like it or not. If people don't want to have a vassal, they shouldn't have asked for one.
 
AegisCollector said:
And if this was anyone else, including the friendly neighborhood nomads, I would totally pick that option.
But as it stands the lowlanders are the hilariously evil nega-verse us. I feel like love and understanding won't get us that far with them.
I could and might be totally wrong but they are sitting at zero loyalty and are actively preparing for their bid for independence.
I never even wanted these guys as vassals cause I knew they'd end up being belligerent on account of our merry half-turn murder-spree through their entire military.
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Literally the only things we know about them are that they are used to harsh living (and thus more ruthless and pragmatic than most) and that they dislike charity. Saying that such things are hilariously evil seems to be quite far.
They are prepared for independence but also literally cannot defeat us on their own as they are. Any rebellion now would be crushed (and likely rightfully so would make them hate us more).

This is why I am voting to try and mend these problems now while they are still recovering instead of waiting around for them to renew their strength while still hating us.

UlseDovThur said:
You mean the fifth that attacked us completely unprovoked, You'll have to excuse me if I don't shed a tear. I get what you're saying but I just really don't care.

This is like if a home invader gets his ass beat by the home owner, the home owner feels bad about it and gives the invader 100 bucks and let's him live in his basement to help him get back on his feet, then the invader comes back with a bat that he bought with the 100 bucks and tells the owner to fuck off.
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They clearly attacked us because Urth told them to; I doubt such a pragmatic people would willingly throw themselves at such an overwhelming force.
If you're voting because you dislike them, then more power to you; but that doesn't excuse trying to make them seem like arbitrary evil people.
 
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[X] Try to get their secrets of wolf-taming and giant boar-riding from them.
Paradoxially enough, THIS seems like something they'd respect. Yanno, if it weren't for the major 'we want to kick your butt you arrogant kitties!' drive they have.​
 
[X] Leave them be.

We really need to just leave these guys alone for a while, they needed time to grieve and heal and we denied them that.
 
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Kiba said:
How do you guys supposed that they will teach us the secret to animal domestication if they are unfriendly to us in the first place?
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Who said anything about teaching? Clearly, this is where we follow in Ymaryn's footsteps, develop ninja and steal the info!

Alternatively, I think the most likely scenario where we get the info is by absorbing some mid-ranking yet illcontent Maradysians who happen to know animal husbandry. Still not too likely, but at the same time not likely to blow up in our face either.

Still prefer the Do Nothing vote, the Maradysh want to be left alone and deserve to have that wish granted.
 
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