Should the world be a Low Fantasy setting?

  • Yes

    Votes: 63 70.0%
  • No

    Votes: 27 30.0%

  • Total voters
    90
  • Poll closed .
[X] To properly worship Arthryn, there needs to be a group of the People who devote their lives to her service and acting as intermediaries between her and the People, ensuring that her will is known to the People and is followed while also making sure that the concerns of the People are brought before the goddess.

Priests work better at present. Potential to form a god specialized in being intermediary between humans and gods?
 
[X] To properly worship Arthryn, there needs to be a group of the People who devote their lives to her service and acting as intermediaries between her and the People, ensuring that her will is known to the People and is followed while also making sure that the concerns of the People are brought before the goddess.
 
[X] The cats did not come on their own, but were sent by the goddess Arthryn to aid the People. These creatures are servants of the goddess and are sacred to Arthryn.

kiiiiiiTTTTTTTTTIIIIIIEEEEEYYYYY

[X] To properly worship Arthryn, there needs to be a grander shrine. Every village will need a shrine, but just as the main council of elders is in Greenbay, there needs to be a main shrine in Greenbay.

Basically a passive way of building shrines
Said shrines give more mystic
Said mystic will give us more of whatever this girl is?
 
[X] To properly worship Arthryn, there needs to be a group of the People who devote their lives to her service and acting as intermediaries between her and the People, ensuring that her will is known to the People and is followed while also making sure that the concerns of the People are brought before the goddess.
 
[X] The cats did not come on their own, but were sent by the goddess Arthryn to aid the People. These creatures are servants of the goddess and are sacred to Arthryn.
 
[X] To properly worship Arthryn, there needs to be a group of the People who devote their lives to her service and acting as intermediaries between her and the People, ensuring that her will is known to the People and is followed while also making sure that the concerns of the People are brought before the goddess.
 
[X] The cats did not come on their own, but were sent by the goddess Arthryn to aid the People. These creatures are servants of the goddess and are sacred to Arthryn.

I'm a figurative Cat person even when they annoy me but when they become a fleet having cats hunt rats might help
 
[X] The cats did not come on their own, but were sent by the goddess Arthryn to aid the People. These creatures are servants of the goddess and are sacred to Arthryn.

I'm just in it for Arthryn potentially having a giant murder-kitty as a divine animal that might able to be summoned. Just imagine the lion cavalry.
 
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I wonder if we can get a divine tiger from this or something
(Sorta like that white tiger in some Asian myths, forgot what it was.I think it went white tiger. Blue dragon? Black turtle and something Phoenix. )
But yeah if we can go full on Narnia and get Aslan and the whole nine yards that'd be great
 
[] The cats did not come on their own, but were sent by the goddess Arthryn to aid the People. These creatures are servants of the goddess and are sacred to Arthryn.
-I like cats, but remember how the Egyptians lost a city due to seeing cats as sacred. We only have two settlements, so I don't want to risk it.

[] The vile ways of the Lowlanders and Foresters are antithetical to Arthryn and her teaches and that the People must never practice the evils that they discovered in the lowlands.
-The beginnings of morality and law. This is a good choice

[X] To properly worship Arthryn, there needs to be a group of the People who devote their lives to her service and acting as intermediaries between her and the People, ensuring that her will is known to the People and is followed while also making sure that the concerns of the People are brought before the goddess.
-Maybe magic priests?

[X] To properly worship Arthryn, there needs to be a grander shrine. Every village will need a shrine, but just as the main council of elders is in Greenbay, there needs to be a main shrine in Greenbay.
-Centralised religion, major major advantage. Shrines might become magic


Rockbay being two tiles away from foresters is just more of a reason to pump up our military via hunting immediately, so that we get some breathing room. We should only build settlements once we have done that.
I just want to make sure that you realise the Temp Martial increase from hunting is only Temporary, it will not last.
Every main turn, Temp stats move halfway to permanent stats. If our Temp stat is lower then it will increase, but if the Temp stat is higher then it will decrease.

If we SEC hunting two main turns in a row, and the Foresters attack on the third then we will have Martial 3. If we don't do any hunting, we will have Martial 3. If we SEC Settlement two main turns in a row, we will have a much larger number of hunters (population increase) and Martial 3.

Hunting is a very good action, and offers a chance of innovation. We need to do some hunting actions to improve our military via innovations, but it is not a way of pumping up our military.
 
[X] The vile ways of the Lowlanders and Foresters are antithetical to Arthryn and her teaches and that the People must never practice the evils that they discovered in the lowlands.
 
My thought is simple.
Anything but divine cats.

[X] The vile ways of the Lowlanders and Foresters are antithetical to Arthryn and her teaches and that the People must never practice the evils that they discovered in the lowlands.
[X] To properly worship Arthryn, there needs to be a group of the People who devote their lives to her service and acting as intermediaries between her and the People, ensuring that her will is known to the People and is followed while also making sure that the concerns of the People are brought before the goddess.
[X] To properly worship Arthryn, there needs to be a grander shrine. Every village will need a shrine, but just as the main council of elders is in Greenbay, there needs to be a main shrine in Greenbay.
 
[X] The cats did not come on their own, but were sent by the goddess Arthryn to aid the People. These creatures are servants of the goddess and are sacred to Arthryn.

[X] The vile ways of the Lowlanders and Foresters are antithetical to Arthryn and her teaches and that the People must never practice the evils that they discovered in the lowlands.
 
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[X] To properly worship Arthryn, there needs to be a group of the People who devote their lives to her service and acting as intermediaries between her and the People, ensuring that her will is known to the People and is followed while also making sure that the concerns of the People are brought before the goddess.
 
[X] To properly worship Arthryn, there needs to be a grander shrine. Every village will need a shrine, but just as the main council of elders is in Greenbay, there needs to be a main shrine in Greenbay.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Oshha on Jan 9, 2019 at 3:24 AM, finished with 38 posts and 31 votes.
 
-I like cats, but remember how the Egyptians lost a city due to seeing cats as sacred. We only have two settlements, so I don't want to risk it.
We have three settlements now. And I don't know what city you're referring to, but this is a bad comparison. We're not the ancient Egyptians, we do not have the same general beliefs as them and since gods are an actual thing here, the cats will be literally sacred animals send to aid us meaning Arthryn won't let them cause damage to us. That would defeat the entire purpose of sending sacred animals to aid your worshipers....

You may as well claim that we shouldn't get priests because some priests in history have been corrupt or that we shouldn't build a temple because some city somewhere bankrupted themselves in order to build one.

Also
Yet she is still treated differently. Not because she is inherently lesser, but because as she lacks the blessing of the goddess. She isn't as strong or tough as those whose ancestors got blessed by Arthryn.

It isn't a surmountable advantage, but it does mean that she wasn't in a position to become a farmer or a fisher or a hunter. Ymarn did have opportunity to become one of the shrine's caretakers, assisting the elders in doing deeds that are better suited for a younger body.
Reee, stratification!

[] The vile ways of the Lowlanders and Foresters are antithetical to Arthryn and her teaches and that the People must never practice the evils that they discovered in the lowlands.

Morality, some things are good and some are evil, teaches our people not to do evil shit. Not bad

[] To properly worship Arthryn, there needs to be a group of the People who devote their lives to her service and acting as intermediaries between her and the People, ensuring that her will is known to the People and is followed while also making sure that the concerns of the People are brought before the goddess.

Priests means increased stratification. They will use this power for their own benefit. We must make everyone of the people a priest instead!

[] To properly worship Arthryn, there needs to be a grander shrine. Every village will need a shrine, but just as the main council of elders is in Greenbay, there needs to be a main shrine in Greenbay.

"All villages are equal, but some more than others."

[] The cats did not come on their own, but were sent by the goddess Arthryn to aid the People. These creatures are servants of the goddess and are sacred to Arthryn.

Cute, soft and cuddly. Decreases chance of plague by hunting vermin. Vicious to our enemies! No downsides whatsoever.
 
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Reee, stratification!
stratification is not a bad thing at this point of history there was not enough food for all children to learn the more complex jobs and this will get worse once the society gets more complex. Teaching all kids how to read and write did not happen until increased mechanization freed up enough workers that societies could afford to take the children away from helping their parents at the farms/workshops.
 
stratification is not a bad thing at this point of history there was not enough food for all children to learn the more complex jobs and this will get worse once the society gets more complex. Teaching all kids how to read and write did not happen until increased mechanization freed up enough workers that societies could afford to take the children away from helping their parents at the farms/workshops.
Justifying stratification is how you end up going too far and then you're suddenly stuck with Divinely Glorious Elites!
 
We have three settlements now. And I don't know what city you're referring to, but this is a bad comparison. We're not the ancient Egyptians, we do not have the same general beliefs as them and since gods are an actual thing here, the cats will be literally sacred animals send to aid us meaning Arthryn won't let them cause damage to us. That would defeat the entire purpose of sending sacred animals to aid your worshipers....

You may as well claim that we shouldn't get priests because some priests in history have been corrupt or that we shouldn't build a temple because some city somewhere bankrupted themselves in order to build one.
I quickly typed that post during my lunch break, my apologies for that mistake. We do have three settlements now, saying there is two was incorrect, you are right about that.

I was referring to the Battle of Pelusium, which lead to the Persian conquest of Egypt. According to Polyaenus, who wrote about the battle almost seven centuries later; Cambyses II won by using the Egyptian's sacred animals against them. The cats were held in baskets infront of the Persian troops, so the Egyptians dared not fire for fear of killing the cats.
Arthryn will probably not directly intervene in our battles, and not prevent all damage from enemy actions. If our people believe that cats are sacred, then they will refuse to kill them even if it means that the Foresters hold a military advantage. The blessing we gain from the cats (protection from disease? no pests eating our crops?) will not benefit other tribes, but is unlikely to be overpowering on it's own.
The lack of sharing general beliefs with the Egyptians is utterly irrelevant to my point. It should be obvious that I was only pointing out a possible issue with the single specific belief of cats being sacred.
That possibility has unknown odds and with our small number of settlements and a probable conflict with the Foresters (who likely have access to / their own cats). It is a risk that I do not want to take.

It is very hypocritical to criticise "You may as well claim that ..." and then follow with doing the same thing I did; "Priests means increased stratification" and "All villages are equal, but some more than others." At least I somewhat acknowledged that it may not happen ('so I don't want to risk it.') you are stating things as the negative outcomes are the only possibility.

I was correct to point out that they could be used against us in battle, because you think there are "No downsides whatsoever" to the cat vote. There are several possible downsides and possible gains to each of the options.


EDIT : corrected how long the book was written after the battle:
Not two centuries later, Polyaenus lived in the 2nd century AD, about seven centuries after the Battle of Pelusium. Considering no one else during those seven centuries inbetween makes mention of it, not even Herodotus, who included alot of such legends and folk-tales in his writing and who lived less than a century after the battle.... Yeah, frankly, I think Polyaenus was writing a bunch of bull.
The problem with the idea the "Polyaenus was writing a bunch of bull" is many sources have been lost over time, but Polyaenus would have had access to many of them, and his books match up with other surviving sources on other points.
He may have been making things up or not, that doesn't matter. It still serves as an example of a possibility that I do not want to occur.
You want to avoid "Divinely Glorious Elites", and so reject the choice that could lead to stratification. That is possibility, just as to the cats being used against us in battle is a possibility. You are entitled to reject a choice because of it's possible negatives, but others can do the same for different choices.
 
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[x] To properly worship Arthryn, there needs to be a group of the People who devote their lives to her service and acting as intermediaries between her and the People, ensuring that her will is known to the People and is followed while also making sure that the concerns of the People are brought before the goddess.
 
I quickly typed that post during my lunch break, so there are mistakes in it. We do have three settlements now, saying there is two was incorrect.

I was referring to the Battle of Pelusium, which lead to the Persian conquest of Egypt. According to Polyaenus, who wrote about the battle two centuries later; Cambyses II won by using the Egyptian's sacred animals against them. The cats were held in baskets infront of the Persian troops, so the Egyptians dared not fire for fear of killing the cats.
Arthryn will probably not directly intervene in our battles, and not prevent all damage from enemy actions. If our people believe that cats are sacred, then they will refuse to kill them even if it means that the Foresters hold a military advantage. The blessing we gain from the cats (protection from disease? no pests eating our crops) will not benefit other tribes, but is unlikely to be overpowering on it's own.
Not two centuries later, Polyaenus lived in the 2nd century AD, about seven centuries after the Battle of Pelusium. Considering no one else during those seven centuries inbetween makes mention of it, not even Herodotus, who included alot of such legends and folk-tales in his writing and who lived less than a century after the battle.... Yeah, frankly, I think Polyaenus was writing a bunch of bull.
 
[x] To properly worship Arthryn, there needs to be a grander shrine. Every village will need a shrine, but just as the main council of elders is in Greenbay, there needs to be a main shrine in Greenbay.
Will probably consume econ and produce mystic. We have econ 8 and magic will help us defence-wise, so I like this option.
Cats is the do-nothing option, essentially wastes the action.
Creating a priestly caste makes our religion less egalitarian for no apparent benefit. Also creates risk of corruption.
We already have an issue with being unable to learn martial techs from lowlanders; lowlander taboo will make it worse. Remember, we're not in any danger of picking up their worse values.
Morality, some things are good and some are evil, teaches our people not to do evil shit. Not bad
We already strongly disapprove of lowlander and forester practices, this will just make it harder to adopt their good values, like their martial techs.
Reee, stratification!
Not just that; hello eugenics! We must remove from our gene pool anything other than the Arthyn-blessed elements for the good of the future, is how the thinking will eventually go. And you just know things like how the non-blessed can sill be competent and useful will be eventually ignored. Not a problem for a good long while, but a few millennia later...
 
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Creating a priestly caste makes our religion less egalitarian for no apparent benefit. We already have an issue with being unable to learn martial techs from lowlanders; lowlander taboo will make it worse. Remember, we're not in any danger of picking up their worse values.
Agreed here, but....
Cats is the do-nothing option, essentially wastes the action.


Putting aside the cat memes for now, the fact that both a Mystic Hero and a god are involved in this makes me think it's unlikely that it'll stay with just "normal cats but seen as sacred". Whether down the line this ends with cat summons or battle tigers or something, I dunno, but I doubt it's going to be a waste.

Heroic actions are never really a waste.
 
Putting aside the cat memes for now, the fact that both a Mystic Hero and a god are involved in this makes me think it's unlikely that it'll stay with just "normal cats but seen as sacred". Whether down the line this ends with cat summons or battle tigers or something, I dunno, but I doubt it's going to be a waste.
Good point; I'm not paying enough attention to the magical possibilities. I'm imagining holy jaguar-souled warriors of the People.
 
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